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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093872 - 11/06/13 03:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.

Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim




The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.





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I dont particularly feel like doing the math but you get the idea. No, they don't prove anything, but they provide a solid base for speculation.




So you have evidence and are making speculations based off of that information? You should tell us what information you have and use that information to prove your speculations. Otherwise the burden of proof still lies on you. We're all waiting.



Radar evidence, astronaut/pilot/military personal accounts, and millions of unexplained sightings. Including mass sightings, such as the miracle at Fatima. Ancient sumerian texts, in which they show an understanding about planets/atmospheres..things they could not have possibly have known after barely inventing the wheel.

And that mathematically it is not impossible for a spacecraft to reach earth from several light years away within a reasonable time..that there are (based on mathematics) millions of habitable planets, which likely means we aren't alone. Just us being here on earth mathematically speaking means we are not alone.

This provides plenty base for speculation. Just as your 'lack of evidence' provides base for speculation.

Why is the burden of proof on me? Where is your proof that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible? Don't say unlikely, because in a universe so vast, unlikely means certainly, imo.

So far the only grounds you have for speculation that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible was that FTL is impossible. I showed that this is irrelevant. Next?

Why is it so impossible? Give me one good reason to drop this and I will, but I bet you can't. 'Lack of evidence' isn't any evidence to the contrary.

Alls im saying is stay open minded. When I hear people say things like "The whole ET thing is retarded." It just kind of makes you look like a retard, imo.




Right. But I didn't say that. You need to provide sources for your information. You're just some asshole on the internet, just like the rest of us.

Since you're so sure of yourself, you shouldn't have anything to worry about, would you? You don't need the burden of proof to fall on you, do you? Since you're so sure, you should be able to provide your proof without us even asking.

Of course, you can't do that because, if you could, you would be internationally famous. You would be a household name for making the greatest scientific discovery that has ever been. We would be interrupting our previously scheduled broadcasts to tell everyone about you and your amazing contribution to humanity.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] * 1
    #19093879 - 11/06/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So I ask those of you saying that ETs visiting earth as highly unlikely or impossible, provide some evidence proving this statement.




It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of anything. It a logical impossibility. That's why we are telling you that the burden of proof lies on you. Not because we don't believe. Just because that's the way logic works.

If you can prove that there is no flying spaghetti monster, I can prove that there are no aliens.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093881 - 11/06/13 03:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why is the burden of proof on me? Where is your proof that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible?





So where is your proof that Saturn isn't full of pink unicorns that walk backwards ?

No, it doesn't work like that, you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093892 - 11/06/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

wtf do you want me to prove exactly?


That without a doubt ET exists?

I never said this, I said its likely and I provided my reasoning for thinking as such.


When did I say without a doubt ET are monitoring us?

I didn't, and your telling me to learn how to read?! :lol:

My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?

Because all of the things that people posted here saying ET visiting earth is impossible/unlikely were just fucking wrong.

Had to say something.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] * 1
    #19093910 - 11/06/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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wtf do you want me to prove exactly?


That without a doubt ET exists?

I never said this, I said its likely and I provided my reasoning for thinking as such.


When did I say without a doubt ET are monitoring us?

I didn't, and your telling me to learn how to read?! :lol:

My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?

Because all of the things that people posted here saying ET visiting earth is impossible/unlikely were just fucking wrong.

Had to say something.




We're not talking about that. I didn't say that extraterrestrials don't exist, or that it's impossible for them to make contact with us. I said that it's very likely that they exist and that it is very likely possible that they could make contact. I don't personally believe that they have, but that is moot.

Your contribution to the thread is summed up as: It's possible. I'm not arguing against that. I'm just pointing out that you're just some dumbass on the internet. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and your posts prove it. Even just the fact that you don't understand what the concept of burden of proof is.

You can't even deconstruct the conversation when the words are right there to be quoted. I have to hold your fucking hand and walk you through it.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093912 - 11/06/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093920 - 11/06/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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my sources of information.

http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ufo-amnesty-sought-by-army-colonel_n_1513197.html
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129348-BBC-Predicts-That-One-in-Every-Five-Stars-Has-a-Habitable-Planet
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-010

etc, etc.




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My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?




So these sources you just posted; what are they for? What are you trying to prove?


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093922 - 11/06/13 03:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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hTx said:
wtf do you want me to prove exactly?


That without a doubt ET exists?

I never said this, I said its likely and I provided my reasoning for thinking as such.


When did I say without a doubt ET are monitoring us?

I didn't, and your telling me to learn how to read?! :lol:

My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?

Because all of the things that people posted here saying ET visiting earth is impossible/unlikely were just fucking wrong.

Had to say something.




We're not talking about that. I didn't say that extraterrestrials don't exist, or that it's impossible for them to make contact with us. I said that it's very likely that they exist and that it is very likely possible that they could make contact. I don't personally believe that they have, but that is moot.

Your contribution to the thread is summed up as: It's possible. I'm not arguing against that. I'm just pointing out that you're just some dumbass on the internet. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and your posts prove it. Even just the fact that you don't understand what the concept of burden of proof is.

You can't even deconstruct the conversation when the words are right there to be quoted. I have to hold your fucking hand and walk you through it.



Just as I'm pointing out that your just some dumbass on the internet. You don't know wtf your talking about and your posts prove it.

Your just butthurt that I proved the whole FTL part of this debate irrelevant. I provided plenty of 'proof' behind my statements, everything I said was based on actual science/mathematics.

So what the fuck are you on about again?
What more do you want from me?

Hold my hand, walk me through it.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093923 - 11/06/13 03:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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my sources of information.

http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ufo-amnesty-sought-by-army-colonel_n_1513197.html
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129348-BBC-Predicts-That-One-in-Every-Five-Stars-Has-a-Habitable-Planet
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-010

etc, etc.




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hTx said:
My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?




So these sources you just posted; what are they for? What are you trying to prove?




I'm proving the possibility.

What are you trying to prove?


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] * 2
    #19093935 - 11/06/13 03:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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my sources of information.

http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ufo-amnesty-sought-by-army-colonel_n_1513197.html
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129348-BBC-Predicts-That-One-in-Every-Five-Stars-Has-a-Habitable-Planet
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-010

etc, etc.




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My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?




So these sources you just posted; what are they for? What are you trying to prove?




I'm proving the possibility.

What are you trying to prove?




Mostly that I can tear you apart again and again without you even realizing that it happens. You made my shit list because you are an arrogant idiot who can't read well enough to understand that your flippant remarks reflect upon you poorly when you mistake the meaning of a sentence that you actually agreed with in the first place.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557] * 1
    #19093957 - 11/06/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have had many experiences with objects that I wouldn't consider to be terrestrial.  Have you any stories to share fellow shroomerites?  I will share mine if you'd like.  Had posted in another forum but it was far too slow for my liking.




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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: koods]
    #19093959 - 11/06/13 03:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093993 - 11/06/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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healing said:
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my sources of information.

http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ufo-amnesty-sought-by-army-colonel_n_1513197.html
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129348-BBC-Predicts-That-One-in-Every-Five-Stars-Has-a-Habitable-Planet
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-010

etc, etc.




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hTx said:
My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.

tha fuck did you get that from?




So these sources you just posted; what are they for? What are you trying to prove?




I'm proving the possibility.

What are you trying to prove?




Mostly that I can tear you apart again and again without you even realizing that it happens. You made my shit list because you are an arrogant idiot who can't read well enough to understand that your flippant remarks reflect upon you poorly when you mistake the meaning of a sentence that you actually agreed with in the first place.



:thefuckisthis:

Well, that seems pretty egotistical to me, have fun tearing people apart since your such a genius and all that, I'm sure your hella fun at parties.

:rolleyes:

You don't seem to understand that the only reason for me posting was to prove the FTL portion of this whole thread irrelevant to intergalactic travel and to provide solid foundation for the speculation that ET is visiting earth. Since so many here seem to think the idea is complete bullshit.

You said my speculation was unfounded and I showed that it was founded.

All the rest is you trying to feel superior by adding irrelevancies, saying shit like the burden of proof lies on me when I never made a claim to begin with.

Fuck off with your semantic bullshit.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093995 - 11/06/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Your claim was that it's possible, and no one disagreed.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19094003 - 11/06/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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:thefuckisthis:

Well, that seems pretty egotistical to me, have fun tearing people apart since your such a genius and all that, I'm sure your hella fun at parties.

:rolleyes:

You don't seem to understand that the only reason for me posting was to prove the FTL portion of this whole thread irrelevant to intergalactic travel and to provide solid foundation for the speculation that ET is visiting earth. Since so many here seem to think the idea is complete bullshit.

You said my speculation was unfounded and I showed that it was founded.

All the rest is you trying to feel superior by adding irrelevancies, saying shit like the burden of proof lies on me when I never made a claim to begin with.

Fuck off with your semantic bullshit.




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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19094014 - 11/06/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Your claim was that it's possible, and no one disagreed.





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KremrBigSikter said:
Your claim was that it's possible, and no one disagreed.



healings claim was that my speculation was unfounded, based on nothing but him saying it was.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? *DELETED* [Re: healing]
    #19094024 - 11/06/13 04:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19094028 - 11/06/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have yet to see the speculation you find so laughable.




I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite. Is this not speculation? I could be misinterpreting you, so correct me if I'm wrong..

But denying is still speculation.




Again, you need to read more carefully.

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Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face.{/quote]







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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19094029 - 11/06/13 04:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's just a bunch of unfounded speculation.



How quickly you forget.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] * 1
    #19094030 - 11/06/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That's just a bunch of unfounded speculation.



How quickly you forget.




And we've come full circle. Are you ready to start again?


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