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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Constantine]
    #19084546 - 11/04/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone else?


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
    #19084576 - 11/04/13 08:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does it rustle your jimmies when people ask that because deep down you know you're unable to prove it ? Sounds like a typical case of I-want-to-believe


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Constantine]
    #19084773 - 11/04/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This happened near a air base, but one time me and my family were driving through Kansas and we saw this craft that was easily flying over the speed of sound and it was about 200-300 feet off the ground and it made absolutely no noise when it passed. It was like  :woah:


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19084968 - 11/04/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes, but without the concept of speed, or light there would be no reason for a person to create a situation in which there would be the possibility of learning that there is a speed at which light travels.

In ancient Greece, the scholars of the time believed that light was projected from the eyes upon that which was being observed. They had no concept of light as we know it, and could, therefore, not even begin to try to observe the speed of light.



OK I am now following your line of thinking.

what might it be to do with non-terrestrial craft?

merely saying them and the science governing their motion is, as of yet, not understood to us, and so foreign, in fact, that the idea "you don't know what you don't know" is particularly relevant?

I cannot refute that which I do not understand :grin: true, true.




I'm saying that since I can conceptualize the ability of some observable thing to be able to travel faster than the speed of light, a good line of reasoning might lead someone to begin to test a hypothesis related to such a concept. Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light, or does that seem delusional?

Either way, since I can imagine something going much faster than 299,792,458m/s, the speed of light is sort of dwarfed by the infinite number of m/s I can conceptualize.



again, just because you can imagine something going faster than the speed of light doesn't mean that it can . cuz physics.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
    #19085007 - 11/04/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

maybe light can be sped up, with gravity or suthing


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: zZZz]
    #19085014 - 11/04/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:notsureif: :Trollface:??


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19085015 - 11/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I saw a pyramid shaped aircraft when I was about ten years old driving through the Texas countryside with my family at night.

For some reason, I didn't even say anything to my family, I just stared at it till we drove out of view.

It was floating in place and slowly rotating. I couldn't see the actual ship, but I could see that lights on it which were dispersed enough to outline the actual chassis.

Haven't seen anything like that since then though :shrug:


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Constantine]
    #19085900 - 11/04/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not at all.  I neednt convince anyone.  As I have seen and had it confirmed numerous times.  It just leaves me aghast how some of you still live in the dark ages mentally speaking.  This is the future god dammit either get on board or be left in the dust with the rest of the heathens.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19085906 - 11/04/13 03:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've read many reports of the pyramid shape.  Sometimes even upside down pyramids.  Of course with everything that isn't experienced through your own eyes has to be taken with a grain of salt.  However you know when you are looking at something entirely new.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
    #19086636 - 11/04/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This took place just outside of Cantwell and lasted until I pulled into a gas station in Nenana.  I was on my way to Fairbanks after a turn and burn to Anchorage on the Parks highway.  I was with one other person. 

We are just about to get into Cantwell and we see this bright ass light in the sky far off in the distance, but thought nothing of it and assumed it was a plane.  We pass through Cantwell and drive for another 30-40 minutes and notice that the light hasn't moved whatsoever.  We see two semi trucks pulled over on the side of the road and see the two truck drivers standing in the middle of the road looking up at the light.  We stop and asked if they needed any help or what was going on and they just kept staring up at this light.  One of the drivers said that he thought the light was following him.  My friend and I laugh and get back in my car.  Then out of nowhere this light moved towards us and the truck drivers at an insane rate of speed and was now over head.  It made some movements in the sky that were in the shape of a Z and came closer to us then five more lights around the one light came on and everything around us was lit up as if it were day time.  It was in the shape of a sphere with five more smaller spheres around it and they were all lit up.  It was so bright you couldn't look at it without squinting.  It made no sound what so ever. 

We get back in my car after taking pictures of it.  The truck divers were still standing there staring at it as we drove off.  As we are driving up the Parks highway this thing in the sky was still behind us and it was over powering my high beams.  My whole car was lit up for about thirty minutes, but the light in the sky was still right there.  It moved up higher and the six lights went back to just one.  We could see this thing in the sky for the rest of the time we were on the Parks up until we pulled into a gas station in Nenana.  There is an air force base just outside of Nenana called Clear.  It's where they cold weather test a lot of air derivative turbines and I've heard some weird stuff about what goes on there.  You can see all kinds of crazy shit flying around there late at night in the winter. 

So, we just assumed that this thing in the sky came from Clear AFB, but when we looked at the pictures my friend had took they were just black.  Couldn't see the sphere lights at all.  Also, it took us over 12 hours to make it back to Fairbanks from Anchorage.  I was driving around 70-80 mph the whole time.  We made it down to Anchorage in about five hours. 

It is a drive I make a lot so that was pretty weird.  This is just one story I have that sticks out in my mind.  I have had many other experiences watching things in the sky around Clear AFB.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Boutang]
    #19087936 - 11/04/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Did you have any missing time at all?  That's pretty intense.  I've only ever had one close encounter to my recollection.  Although I have a feeling it's been more times than that.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
    #19088057 - 11/04/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

besides the one time I got abducted by Lizard Type Alien shape-shifters and taken up and had implants put in from which they control my brain?

No.






















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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing] * 1
    #19088363 - 11/05/13 01:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light



No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.

As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.

The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Viveka]
    #19088511 - 11/05/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light



No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.

As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.

The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.




Finally, someone I can agree with.

I hope that you will see, if you were inclined, that I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite.

One thing I must add here. Technology grows at an exponential rate. As we near the asymptote, the impossibility of observing those different slices of the spectrum, if they do exist, could quite possibly be discarded along with our current paradigm.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093678 - 11/06/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty close-minded way of looking at it.

'ermagerd space is like, so huge, I doubt any aliens even know we exist, in fact we are probably the most advanced species in the universe.'

Seems pretty :braindamage: considering that even us humans can now identify planets which may possibly support life, and if we had the means, we would be sending all fucking kinds of probes to check them out.

It seems perfectly logical that an alien civilization even just 200-300 years more advanced than our own would not only be capable of doing this, but is highly probably doing this..In the name of science.

I would think that alien life in the universe would be very interesting to study for any sufficiently advanced species.

So please, explain your reasoning with some logical evidence other than "the universe is so huge" and "i'm a herpderp".

Where is your reasoning that its far more likely that we wont cross paths with any ET or that they wont cross paths with us other than you say so?


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093692 - 11/06/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You probably still think that theres only 9 (i got your back pluto) planets in the entire fucking universe.

Do you knowww that, on average, there is one planet for every star in our entire galaxy?

If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] * 2
    #19093715 - 11/06/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's just a bunch of unfounded speculation.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
    #19093725 - 11/06/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, its not.

Your speculation is actually the only unfounded one, the fact that you cannot see this is pretty hilarious.

Also, a spacecraft wouldn't even need to exceed FTL travel to travel the galaxy, as the experience of time relative to space approaching the speed of light would render that completely useless.

You would essentially not only be travelling through space at an accelerated rate, but time as well. So moving at or near the speed of light, what we would see taking as a year, the ones traveling at that speed would experience something like two weeks.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093737 - 11/06/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When traveling at the speed of light (v=c), left under the radical you would have 0. This answer would be undefined or infinity if you will (let's go with infinity). The reference time (T0) divided by infinity would be 0; therefore, you could infer that time is 'frozen' to an object traveling at the speed of light.


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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
    #19093746 - 11/06/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, its not.

Your speculation is actually the only unfounded one, the fact that you cannot see this is pretty hilarious.

Also, a spacecraft wouldn't even need to exceed FTL travel to travel the galaxy, as the experience of time relative to space approaching the speed of light would render that completely useless.

You would essentially not only be travelling through space at an accelerated rate, but time as well. So moving at or near the speed of light, what we would see taking as a year, the ones traveling at that speed would experience something like two weeks.



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