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Tas75
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19115207 - 11/10/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is also the fact that the presence of psilocybin, while important to some people, may have arisen independently multiple times, and not reflect the true phylogeny of the group. Since there is also psilocybin in Gymnopilus, Pluteus, Conocybe, etc., it seems a shaky assumption to believe that a split separating active and non-active Psilocybe would reflect their evolutionary history.
Edited by Tas75 (11/10/13 02:33 PM)
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canid
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: Tas75]
#19115278 - 11/10/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes indeed. Some of the clusterfucks of taxonomy arising suggest convergent evolution in many areas.
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art2312
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19115806 - 11/10/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So to dumb it down for me you're saying psilocybin could be an evolutionary trait? And that the psilocybin containing mushrooms we know today, didn't have the same chemicals as when they first started out?? Is their any mushroom evolution studies that have been done?? Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: art2312]
#19115815 - 11/10/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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All properties of organisms are evolutionary traits. That's how the paradigm works.
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Tas75
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19116213 - 11/10/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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art2312,
If by an 'evolutionary trait' you mean 'confers an evolutionary advantage', then sure! If you're a herbivore and you eat a few hallucinogenic mushrooms, how well do you think you're going to be able to avoid attack by whatever wants to eat you?
However there is little evidence that other animals trip with psilocybin, and in any case, spores are also sipersed by dung, so who knows?
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: Tas75]
#19116291 - 11/10/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're understanding the principle wrong. Traits are conserved unless they contribute to a disadvantage and are selected against.
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art2312
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19116714 - 11/10/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I misworded that question I guess...I was meaning to ask if we knew how long psilocybin mushrooms have been around... were they among the first mushroom producing fungi or did psilocybin come along further down the line? I've been reading and I never even thought of the fact that mushrooms decompose so its not really able to create an accurate fossil timeline, so that question might not even have an answer.... I see another sleepless night on Google in the very near future lol...and what is the advantage to the mushrooms have psilocybin and psilocin anyways? It can't be just for us lol
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: art2312]
#19116772 - 11/10/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably far, far along down the line, but I can't say I was there.
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19116828 - 11/10/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol...I hate not knowing why things are here or how they came about! It literally bothers me. Ill be throwing questions at good ol' Google tonite man lol
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: art2312]
#19116847 - 11/10/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me too art, me too.
I kind of lament not knowing absolutely everything, down to my core.
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19116887 - 11/10/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I kinda like it that way...aside from all the sleep I lose staying up too late watching documentaries or reading up on something. That damn 'How the Universe Works' on Science channel has been getting me lately lol
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: art2312]
#19118162 - 11/11/13 12:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I was a young teenager I would lie awake frustrated by the concept of infinity and the idea that space (occupied or empty) goes on forever. This is an obvious reality that is impossible to prove or disprove. But there is plenty that our limited intelligence can't quantify. Example: If you drop an object it will never reach the ground. Of course we know by observation that a dropped object DOES reach the ground. But that doesn't change the logic. If you drop an object it can't possibly reach the ground before travelling beyond half the distance. Ah, but then it must travel half the remaining distance. There are an infinite number of halfway intervals the object must traverse before it can reach the ground. Therefor it never does.
My point is simply that our own logic and level of understanding is so flawed that it contradicts itself often and on many levels. The growth pattern of plants and trees seems largely random to us. Yet some trees can live for a thousand years (compared to our meager life span). We may have the extra chromosome but that doesn't mean we are the alfa in lifes plan. Perhaps psilosybin came to be for the sake of man. But perhaps man has the extra chromosome for the sake of the mushrooms!?! Once the grand scheme is achieved we may dissolve out of being along with our extra chromosome so the mushrooms can live happily ever after!
Edited by Chuck H (11/11/13 12:05 AM)
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: Chuck H]
#19166532 - 11/20/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Went out locally for about an hour today. I did not bring the camera because it was very wet and I didn't want to bother with an umbrella.
There are a lot more lawn mushrooms out. The agaricus caifornicus seem to be thinning out now, with the other species which have been coming up the last couple weeks taking over.
Conocybe albipes is out in force, and the shaggies are really expoding.
I found a Cortinarius which looked unfamiliar, so I might actually try to identify it somewhat.
Thank you, rain!
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Chuck H
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: Chuck H]
#19168143 - 11/20/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What??? no bites?
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TheShroomNinja
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Re: Central valley proof of life [Re: canid]
#19168166 - 11/21/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I found a few shaggys today! a lot of really nice larger than usual mycena species, a few pins in my patch, some common lawn fungi and i think i may have found me some gym's 
after 4 hours of looking everywhere I was saddened to see such little activity but then again i thought it inpatient of me to go out early but if i did indeed find gyms, i am a happy camper 
all this rain is gonna be awesome, i cannot wait!
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