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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19090278 - 11/05/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I see...so you just made that strawman so you could tear it down.

Kudos, bro.




The general point that illegals provide a positive economic impact still stands and is relevant to other points made in the conversation.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19090382 - 11/05/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's a claim you're making, but you've offered no evidence to support the notion that illegal immigrants provide a net positive economic impact on the nation.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19091125 - 11/05/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Zappa never answered how he knew how much illegal immigrants cost.  I'm just going to assume that Zappa uses illegal labor while bitching about illegal immigrants just like Mitt.




Everybody in construction knows what the rate is for a day laborer around here, legal or illegal.  They cost the same.



Bullshit, no one pays undocumented workers the same wage.




They don't ask day laborers their status.  They just pick them up.  You know nothing.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19091133 - 11/05/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
I see...so you just made that strawman so you could tear it down.

Kudos, bro.




The general point that illegals provide a positive economic impact still stands and is relevant to other points made in the conversation.




That is complete bullshit.  They don't pay taxes, they take jobs that could go to legit people and they do depress wages


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19091336 - 11/05/13 05:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

They don't pay an income tax, but they pay taxes every time they spend money. You know nothing.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19091440 - 11/05/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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They don't pay an income tax, but they pay taxes every time they spend money. You know nothing.




That is such a fucking joke it beggars belief.  It doesn't amount to spit nor does one nickel of it go to the federal government.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19091497 - 11/05/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I thought tea-baggers like you hated the federal goverment. Why should that be any of your concern? What happened to all this talk of "taxed enough already"? I guess you only want that to apply to wealthy white Americans who own businesses.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19091586 - 11/05/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I thought tea-baggers like you hated the federal goverment. Why should that be any of your concern? What happened to all this talk of "taxed enough already"? I guess you only want that to apply to wealthy white Americans who own businesses.




There is a federal government.  There are some legit functions of a federal government.  Millions of dollars of my money has gone to the federal government.  Not one cent of it went there through sales taxes.  The illegal fucks do not pay income taxes.  They don't pay payroll taxes.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19091644 - 11/05/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe you should blame the employers who hire undocumented workers, rather then impoverished people who work their asses off to have a better life for them and their families.
For someone who pretends to value hard work; you're filled with allot of hate directed at people who work harder then most. I've worked with allot of undocumented Mexican immigrants, and they are some of the hardest working people you will ever meet. Given the opportunity, I think the majority of people who are undocumented would love to gain full citizenship, but for many, it's unrealistic because they don't know English; or they're afraid they will be deported if they apply for citizenship once already in America.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19091685 - 11/05/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe you should blame the employers who hire undocumented workers, rather then impoverished people who work their asses off to have a better life for them and their families.




I blame them both but the illegal border jumpers need to get the fuck out and make their own countries not a shithole
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For someone who pretends to value hard work; you're filled with allot of hate directed at people who work harder then most. I've worked with allot of undocumented Mexican immigrants, and they are some of the hardest working people you will ever meet. Given the opportunity, I think the majority of people who are undocumented would love to gain full citizenship, but for many, it's unrealistic because they don't know English; or they're afraid they will be deported if they apply for citizenship once already in America.




I know they work hard.  I admire that.  Fat fuck American punks whining about how hard it is to make fries or pour coffee can kiss my ass.  But I also know the border jumping scum are not paying taxes.  There is a process.  I know several people who have gone through it and become citizens.  I realize it is hard.  It should be hard.  Speaking English is not a requirement.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19091767 - 11/05/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I agree they should pay taxes like everyone else.
I don't think they should be kicked out of the country though, and they certainly deserve more respect then they're given; they are human beings not cattle.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19091838 - 11/05/13 07:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree they should pay taxes like everyone else.
I don't think they should be kicked out of the country though, and they certainly deserve more respect then they're given; they are human beings not cattle.



They are law breaking cowards.  Should we have totally open borders and let anybody in?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19091877 - 11/05/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
I see...so you just made that strawman so you could tear it down.

Kudos, bro.




The general point that illegals provide a positive economic impact still stands and is relevant to other points made in the conversation.




That is complete bullshit.  They don't pay taxes, they take jobs that could go to legit people and they do depress wages




Except that illegal immigrant employers like yourself expect the citizens to take the same wage as the illegals.  That's why you hire the illegals, because they're cheaper.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19091881 - 11/05/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think we should.
When I look at the earth from space, I see no borders other then oceans.
I think nationalism is ridiculous, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19092050 - 11/05/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Enlil said:
I see...so you just made that strawman so you could tear it down.

Kudos, bro.




The general point that illegals provide a positive economic impact still stands and is relevant to other points made in the conversation.




That is complete bullshit.  They don't pay taxes, they take jobs that could go to legit people and they do depress wages




Except that illegal immigrant employers like yourself expect the citizens to take the same wage as the illegals.  That's why you hire the illegals, because they're cheaper.




The illegals around here get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation.  Cash.  That works out to probably an equivalent take home of almost $20 an hour.  How much do you make?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19092062 - 11/05/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What fantasy land do you live in that undocumented workers get $20 a hour? :rofl2:


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19092135 - 11/05/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The illegals around here get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation.  Cash.  That works out to probably an equivalent take home of almost $20 an hour.  How much do you make?




You use words like "equivalent take home" to try to obfuscate that illegals get paid less, and simply don't pay taxes on their wages.

Construction workers only work 5 hours a day?

Also, my income is irrelevant to the discussion.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19092178 - 11/05/13 07:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i don't even know where to start this is a derpa derp post
this is way to sillly il have none of that move along move along nothing to see here!!!


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: lighthouse09]
    #19092205 - 11/05/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Man, if you're going to call something a "derpa derpa" post, you could at least use correct spelling and capitalization.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19095015 - 11/06/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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