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Mr Acid Cat
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[Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix
#19090897 - 11/05/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey guys, I'm Mr Acid Cat, I'm new around here and have a question for you all (Please go easy on me). Would it be possible (Or worth) extracting the Bufotenine from Anadenanthera colubrina seeds? As their 5-MeO-DMT content is next to nothing. If so, what would the process be?
Or, if one was to simply crush the seeds into a powder, what would be some other powders to add to the mixture, for example, to minimize the pain that A. colubrina causes when taken nasally.
Thanks guys, sorry if this annoys some of you, but hey, we all have to start somewhere.
Peace 
(P.S, Forgive me if this isn't aloud to be posted here)
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Mr Acid Cat]
#19090950 - 11/05/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think this should be fine here, since Bufotenin is a natural psychedelic and not a research chemical. I am not a mod though.
The successful methods I have read generally use chloroform or dichloromethane as the nonpolar solvent, and a weak base like ammonia or sodium carbonate. Strong bases like lye will form water soluble salts with the hydroxyl group on the indole ring.
Also I read that basifying your plant matter, drying, then extracting with acetone yields a really impure goo that contains freebase Bufotenin, but you have to vape a lot and cough a lot and still end up really nauseous if you go this route.
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Mr Acid Cat]
#19091262 - 11/05/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Have a look at this thread...I have some myself at the moment....will be trying this method soon(maybe)..with a bit more research
second post down
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19091316 - 11/05/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I havent tried extracting colubrina yet but heres my snuff recipe:
1. Toast seeds on a frying pan till they 'pop'. 2. Peel seed coat off and toss away. 3. grind seeds to as fine a powder as possible. 4. Make a super saturated solution of Tums (yes, Tums, aka calcium carbonate) in a glass of water. This is done by adding powdered tums to the watr untill none more will disolve. 5. Add drop by drop of this water + sodium carb solution into the seed powder untill it forms a toothpaste like consistency. Now let it sit for an hour. 6. Dry out the colubrina toothpaste at 140*C in the oven untill it is dry enough to pulverize. 7. Pulverize. 8. ***Optional- repeat step 5 and 6. 9. Snuff!
This results in much much less product to snuff than your average seed + 40% calcium mix, literally almost half of what you would normally snuff. This recipe barely burns at all. Seriosly, no burn.
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Zombi3]
#19091450 - 11/05/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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few questions for you...whats Tums???...just some brand name for calcium carbonate???
what ratio of calcium carbonate to water??....
and finally how would you describe the trip from it....is it comparable to dmt, 5-meo-dmt etc....trips are hard to explain but could ya give me an outline of the experience???...Ive read its a bit more hectic then dmt
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19091516 - 11/05/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks a heap guys. I'm also interested in what the trip is like, How intense is it?
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman] 1
#19091519 - 11/05/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes tums is just a brand name. I dont have a ratio I just add it until no more disolves. Roughly 8g calcium carbonate to 200ml water is what I use.
After snuffing what I estimated to be around 3 seeds (Highest amount Ive taken so far) I can feel something reminiscent of a tryptamine headspace within 3-5 minutes. I start to feel a lovely body buzz around +10 minutes. The whole trip peaks around 15-30 minutes after snuffing and lasts about an hour maybe a little less. At the peak the most Ive experienced thus far is some pattern morphing, slight to blatantly obvious breathing of objects, enhanced colours, and slight euphoria.
I have also experienced a fishbowl effect on my vision at times, as well as a headache, and tension behind my eyes. All of this subsides quickly. I have felt only slight nausea which mostly just feels like little hunger pains, its not exactly nauseating just uncomfortable.
I have not taken a large enough dose to experience any true psychedelia but I will soon. I have snuffed it 5 times spaced a week apart using the recipe I described and always dosing 3 seeds worth achieving the effects I described each time.
I also want to extract bufotenine and rail it pure
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Edited by Zombi3 (11/05/13 06:12 PM)
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Zombi3]
#19091682 - 11/05/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How long do you heat the seeds until they pop/fill out....what kinda temperature do you use??
Sorry I've loads of questions haha..
when you say you took three seeds each time do you mean you prepare it separately each time or you made a bigger batch of it previously and are dividing to get your approximate dosage??? I have 5 grams of seeds(34 of them) and my interest is now more sparked then ever haha
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19091708 - 11/05/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heat the seeds in a pan for like, 10 minutes probly. Low heat, I use number 2.
I made a big batch a while ago with 45 seeds and have been dosing out of that. I store it in vials in the dark.
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19091728 - 11/05/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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nice one man....had a few of them years ago from a friend but completely cremated them in the frying pan....he just had a few free with some nuggets...
sorry wanted to ask aswell if you have any experience in swallowing them...I recall reading someone who used to eat 5 or 6 of them for a less intense but longer version of it...cant seem to find the thread though!!!
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19091851 - 11/05/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just ran a lighter over one of em and they popped!!!.....was easy to remove the outer skin/shell too..left with something that looks like a flattened nut.....kinda smelled liked peanuts when I heated it...will defo do more research on this!!!
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19094235 - 11/06/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've eaten them. Don't go past a couple/few beans unless you want to purge intensely (or have Lemon essential oil so you won't). A couple go great with some beers. Very euphoric.
I followed this tek; basify with Calcium carbonate and pull with IPA, then evaporated my extract onto freebased Syrian rue seeds. When I vaporize these extract-covered seeds I get a nice body high with strong audio hallucinations and good trip that carries moderate vasoconstriction and lots of sweating (and some nausea if I neglect to take Lemon essential oil or Ginger root).
I vaporize a few bowls then lay down and cover my eyes with the fan running to keep cool.
If you could use a tek resulting in a more pure product it may be more enjoyable, I just used what I could get at the time.
Bufotenine combines wonderfully with DMT.
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Edited by flickedbic (11/06/13 07:22 AM)
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: flickedbic]
#19095326 - 11/06/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks man
when you've eaten them before did you just swallow them as is or did you roast them first?? I think i'll try an extraction sometime soon and add to changa..thanks for the link!!
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: Simple-Psyman]
#19099468 - 11/07/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've chewed them raw (after de-shelling) while drinking; or crushed them into alcohol; but the best results are when prepared (baked-> Calcium carbonate basified) and encapsulated.
Check the link for the good roasting temp; they lose half their weight in fat after the roast and so that is almost like a doubling of potency right there.
-------------------- Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order: 1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine 2)Amanita (urine drank twice) 3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose) 4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators) 5)Salvia (need to try quid)
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Edited by flickedbic (11/08/13 03:23 PM)
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Re: [Help] A. colubrina Bufotenine extraction/Snuff Mix [Re: flickedbic]
#19099847 - 11/07/13 10:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks Man
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