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OfflineKGB Is Go
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"I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." * 1
    #19091006 - 11/05/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"...The nibblers of this world are no friends of mine. It should be overwhelming, and it should be an act of courage” - Terence McKenna

I read this Terence quote from a post by Lorenzo. It's taken from Podcast 374 - "Boostrapping Ourselves" over at Matrix Masters.

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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go] * 2
    #19091035 - 11/05/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea well courages dosers are no friends of mine :snub: - zZZz


no but he has a good point. why waste your time with low doses and possibly have a short lasting impression when you could dive in head first and possibly never have the urge to trip for several years


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19091042 - 11/05/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can't always eat steak and potatoes, sometimes ya just gotta have a piece of jerky. Ya know?


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19091047 - 11/05/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would've completely agreed 3-4 years ago when I did heroic doses of anything even first time RCs. Now I don't use at all so it sounds a little bit biased.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go] * 4
    #19091051 - 11/05/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bulllshit. Sounds like bad advice.

The first time I tried shrooms it was overwhelming, I hit ego death at a big party where I was trying to interact with drunk people who didn't know I was tripping(and I was trying to keep it that way). Luckily my friend was hosting and we locked ourselves in the bathroom for the peak, and all was well. It was pretty magical. You know how much that was? About 2-2.5 grams of a particularly potent batch, they even blew my friends mind who had more tolerance.

But most people seem to start at about 3.5gs at least, even a full 1/4 - and if I had done that, holy shit, I don't want to know. Point being, listen to your body, listen to your mind.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #19091070 - 11/05/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It depends on the person I think. If doing a high dose will scare you enough to never do it again then I say work your way up. But if you have faith in the trip and realize it won't hurt you by all means go for it! Psychedelics must be respected or else. I also notice that the small doses are usually the harder trips for me. I think it has to do with me being stuck in between two worlds and i cant choose which one to go with. I say go big or go home.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: pirate-blues] * 1
    #19091087 - 11/05/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms are just a drug like any other drug. Just like weed, heroin, cocaine, alcohol, caffeine, or whatever.

I've had plenty of fun on mushrooms and they've helped me develop. But at the end of the day it's just a chemical playing tricks on my mind.

Also, he's being incredibly elitist, condescending and arrogant. He's usually that way, and that's why I have a passive dislike of him.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: mutantmushroom]
    #19091099 - 11/05/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've micro-dosed a lot with mushrooms - I definitely believe in the therapeutic values of psychedelics and while a poignant trip can be a life changing thing, there's something to be said for microdosing. Especially if the setting is not hospitable to larger doses. One of my favorite combos is 0.5-1g of mushrooms, and a lower dose of good mdma taken orally(I'd say I hover around 75-100mg tops, myself). Sooo many good feels, so great for socializing, with all the afterglow I could hope for.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go] * 1
    #19091107 - 11/05/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't Terrance eventually quit the shrooms because shit got too heavy? :lol:


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19091110 - 11/05/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

microdosing.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go] * 3
    #19091142 - 11/05/13 04:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Reckless. I don't like Mckenna.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: Hobozen]
    #19091147 - 11/05/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Didn't Terrance eventually quit the shrooms because shit got too heavy? :lol:




perfectly acceptable if he did. the dude took heavy doses in the amazon jungle in the middle of no where.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: zZZz]
    #19091174 - 11/05/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

i like both. i enjoy heavy doses and i enjoy lite doses.

im cool with eating 2.5 gs of mush and going out or to a party or what have you. im sure as hell aint gonna eat 5 grams and go about my day.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: zZZz] * 2
    #19091236 - 11/05/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

He has a very strong, specific opinion on how psychedelics are to be used. Most people don't agree with every single aspect of what he thinks. I can definitely see where he's coming from, and ultimately I believe high dose work turns out to be more beneficial. McKenna believed in taking doses that guaranteed ego death, therefore eliminating any potential for a "bad trip". Whether or not that method is valid is up for grabs. I will say that high dose silent darkness work is sanctioned by thousands of years of shamanism.

This being said, I don't think people really read between the lines with McKenna. He had all these batshit crazy ideas, but he wasn't mainly trying to spread his ideas to the psychedelic community. He was merely giving an example of the things people should be talking about. He was all about setting up the psychedelic community, creating spaces for people to communicate ideas.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #19091238 - 11/05/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Interesting... This talk was in 1989, according to his brother Dennis, his horrifying bad trip on mushrooms was 1988 that scared him off high doses pretty much for the rest of his life and which apparently made him reluctant to high dose other psychedelics also and take them with much less frequency and turned him into a diddler in his own vernacular.

It seems a bit disingenuous to then say that "nibblers are no friend of mine" and to continue espousing high doses in silent darkness for the rest of his life without going into the fact that he got scared shitless and hardly, if at all, went there again himself for the rest of his life.

Very true that he went deep frequently for a good few decades a few times a month prior to 1988 so he knows the territory as much as most and it is not a bad thing (in fact, I'm glad he still promoted psychedelics in general) to continue talking of these and promoting these experiences for other people to explore but he never did mention publicly that he had been rocked to the core and no longer took his own advice... so calling out people that work with low doses as nibblers and no friends of mine is a bit harsh IMO.

I greatly admire Terence's mind, he is one of my favourite pontificators and thinkers of the 20th century but I think his high dose advice can be a bit ill conceived depending on the person and there own constitution... different strokes for different folks and all.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19091399 - 11/05/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

KGB Is Go said:
"...The nibblers of this world are no friends of mine. It should be overwhelming, and it should be an act of courage” - Terence McKenna

I read this Terence quote from a post by Lorenzo. It's taken from Podcast 374 - "Boostrapping Ourselves" over at Matrix Masters.

What do other Shroomerites think of this comment?




I am a fan of going all out. That is why I reccomend atleast 3.5g's to first timers.

I also think microdosing can be beneficial though.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19091425 - 11/05/13 05:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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mjmihalov said:


I am a fan of going all out. That is why I reccomend atleast 3.5g's to first timers.

I also think microdosing can be beneficial though.




My first trip was 3.5 g's. It was difficult at times, but I'm glad I went that far, the good times always outweigh the bad. It was at least a perfect first dose for me.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: KGB Is Go]
    #19091430 - 11/05/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

KGB Is Go said:
"...The nibblers of this world are no friends of mine. It should be overwhelming, and it should be an act of courage” - Terence McKenna

I read this Terence quote from a post by Lorenzo. It's taken from Podcast 374 - "Boostrapping Ourselves" over at Matrix Masters.

What do other Shroomerites think of this comment?







He sounds like someone I wouldn't want to be friends with.


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: memes]
    #19091437 - 11/05/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

he was probably just on an ego trip. im sure he became more humble years later


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Re: "I think the worst thing you can do is diddle with low doses." [Re: zZZz]
    #19091447 - 11/05/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zZZz said:
he was probably just on an ego trip. im sure he became more humble years later




[cali stoner accent] thought lsd was supposed to shatter yer ego, brah'? [/cali]


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