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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3]
#19090938 - 11/05/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You didn't answer my question.
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TheGreenArrow said: Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God. What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism? Why must you post shit on facebook? Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers. Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat? I just don't get this mentality, Why? I mean we get it Your fucking right. and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong? I just don't see the purpose. 
Because of all the very real harm caused by religion, from direct violence to interference in science and politics.
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liquidlounge said: The atheist view is based on not believing in what one can't perceive. How does that not make sense?
Can you see the wind? No, but you can see its effects and feel its presence so you know it exists.
I cannot see god, but I can feel his presence, and see his effects, and thus I know god exists.
Just because you cant see or feel something doesnt mean it cant exist. Why do you believe Pluto exists? You cant see or feel it can you? You just take someone elses word for it that it exists.
I feel god, and I see god in so many ways, I am not taking someone elses word for it. I believe in god because my experiences in life have led me to believe god exists.
If its all about perception to you, then why are DMT elves not real? I can perceive them just fine, even make what seems like totally real physical contact with them, and yet they are a figment of my imagination. Therefore logically, not all perceivable things are in existence. If I can perceive things that certainly do not exist, then why is it so hard to believe that things we cannot perceive dont exist?
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 2
#19091036 - 11/05/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?
No, because they fuck up the world for the rest of us. Their fairy tales and superstitions are not benign, they are dangerous and hold both individuals and society back from progressing to something better. They are the enemy of freedom, rationalization and prosperity. Tip toeing around them and respecting them is not the way forward. Maybe they deserve tolerance, but thats it. They need to be constantly challenged and/or disrespected otherwise they will keep propagating their crap. God is not great and believers are generally scumbags.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: DieCommie] 1
#19091112 - 11/05/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Note: Not to DC...
Why don't the Ugandan gays just let the Christians kill them all off instead of bitching and whining?
Why is your ordinary Iraqi pissed that the entire country's infrastructure has been gutted and several hundred thousand citizens dead just because God spoke to George Bush?
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 3
#19091138 - 11/05/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can you see the wind? No, but you can see its effects and feel its presence so you know it exists.
Horrible example, I can definitely perceive the wind. It's also possible clearly watching the wind with the right tools.
I cannot see god, but I can feel his presence, and see his effects, and thus I know god exists.
How can you feel one type of god whilst another feel a completely different god? You claim yours to be creator of everything and the other claim his or her to be creator of everything.
Just because you cant see or feel something doesnt mean it cant exist. Why do you believe Pluto exists? You cant see or feel it can you? You just take someone elses word for it that it exists.
Pluto:

I feel god, and I see god in so many ways, I am not taking someone elses word for it. I believe in god because my experiences in life have led me to believe god exists.
Do you have any substantial material to prove this god of yours? Or is it just subjective ramble with no root in reality, unlike my photo of Pluto.
If its all about perception to you, then why are DMT elves not real? I can perceive them just fine, even make what seems like totally real physical contact with them, and yet they are a figment of my imagination. Therefore logically, not all perceivable things are in existence. If I can perceive things that certainly do not exist, then why is it so hard to believe that things we cannot perceive dont exist?
The same applies here. Show me substantial material of these machine elves of yours and I am convinced. Then I want to see a real photography or even better, you organize for me and Diploid to meet one, Diploid would gladly pay you for your time.
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liquidlounge said: Can you see the wind? No, but you can see its effects and feel its presence so you know it exists.
Horrible example, I can definitely perceive the wind. It's also possible clearly watching the wind with the right tools.
I cannot see god, but I can feel his presence, and see his effects, and thus I know god exists.
How can you feel one type of god whilst another feel a completely different god? You claim yours to be creator of everything and the other claim his or her to be creator of everything.
Just because you cant see or feel something doesnt mean it cant exist. Why do you believe Pluto exists? You cant see or feel it can you? You just take someone elses word for it that it exists.
Pluto:

I feel god, and I see god in so many ways, I am not taking someone elses word for it. I believe in god because my experiences in life have led me to believe god exists.
Do you have any substantial material to prove this god of yours? Or is it just subjective ramble with no root in reality, unlike my photo of Pluto.
If its all about perception to you, then why are DMT elves not real? I can perceive them just fine, even make what seems like totally real physical contact with them, and yet they are a figment of my imagination. Therefore logically, not all perceivable things are in existence. If I can perceive things that certainly do not exist, then why is it so hard to believe that things we cannot perceive dont exist?
The same applies here. Show me substantial material of these machine elves of yours and I am convinced. Then I want to see a real photography or even better, you organize for me and Diploid to meet one, Diploid would gladly pay you for your time.
At first I was interested in voicing my opinion, experiences, and religious views but now I see its going to quickly diminish from an intelligent conversation into another bullshit thread fighting back and forth.
We all have different views. You say potato, I say vodka. You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: DieCommie]
#19091192 - 11/05/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?
No, because they fuck up the world for the rest of us. Their fairy tales and superstitions are not benign, they are dangerous and hold both individuals and society back from progressing to something better. They are the enemy of freedom, rationalization and prosperity. Tip toeing around them and respecting them is not the way forward. Maybe they deserve tolerance, but thats it. They need to be constantly challenged and/or disrespected otherwise they will keep propagating their crap. God is not great and believers are generally scumbags.
 Also, hey DieCommie - haven't seen you around in a while. I know it's off topic but still mining BTC?
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#19091197 - 11/05/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said:
At first I was interested in voicing my opinion, experiences, and religious views but now I see its going to quickly diminish from an intelligent conversation into another bullshit thread fighting back and forth.
We all have different views. You say potato, I say vodka. You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.
This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate use the forum one below. Nice cop out to avoid arguing your opinion. Essentially you are saying you are only interested in voicing your opinion, experiences, and religious views if they won't be challenged.. Doesn't seem that intelligent to me..
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At first I was interested in voicing my opinion, experiences, and religious views but now I see its going to quickly diminish from an intelligent conversation into another bullshit thread fighting back and forth.
We all have different views. You say potato, I say vodka. You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.
This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate use the forum one below. Nice cop out to avoid arguing your opinion. Essentially you are saying you are only interested in voicing your opinion, experiences, and religious views if they won't be challenged.. Doesn't seem that intelligent to me..
Thats not true. I have all the interest in the world in talking about my views with people who are open to them, Im not going to waste my figurative breath by saying what will only be heard as false to you. If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.
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#19091234 - 11/05/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.
No, that is a poor characterization. It looks to me (after reading this thread) that you put your faith in yourself. You trust your thoughts and your ideas over others. This is arrogance and hubris. We (scientifically minded skeptics) believe the opposite. To quote Feynman, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts."
You are the one putting your faith in man (in this case, a man - yourself, in others case they put their faith in ancient desert dwellers or local mystics). The skeptics are the ones with no faith in man.
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tymoteusz3 said: Also, hey DieCommie - haven't seen you around in a while. I know it's off topic but still mining BTC?
Nope, its not profitable at this time for my gear. But, it is profitable to mine "LiteCoins" and then go onto the exchange and convert them to bitcoins.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#19091357 - 11/05/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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We are all atheists. I just believe in 1 less than you. Why would you address only atheists in your original post when all i constantly see on fb are christians trying to force their opinions on me. I usually don't share my personal lack of belief because I'm the one who gets persecuted and told I'm going to burn in hell.
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#19091364 - 11/05/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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tymoteusz3 said: Also, hey DieCommie - haven't seen you around in a while. I know it's off topic but still mining BTC?
Nope, its not profitable at this time for my gear. But, it is profitable to mine "LiteCoins" and then go onto the exchange and convert them to bitcoins. 
Makes sense. Bitcoin is doing quite well these days in terms of profitability. I made some nice money selling a whole bunch a while back but wish I had kept on to the majority till now since they keep on climbing higher.
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Zombi3 said: Thats not true. I have all the interest in the world in talking about my views with people who are open to them, Im not going to waste my figurative breath by saying what will only be heard as false to you. If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.
If you can make a rational logical case for your argument then I am more than willing to entertain it. I am always ready to challenge my viewpoint - the beliefs I hold are a direct result of me challenging my beliefs and questioning everything.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: DieCommie] 1
#19091529 - 11/05/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?
No, because they fuck up the world for the rest of us. Their fairy tales and superstitions are not benign, they are dangerous and hold both individuals and society back from progressing to something better. They are the enemy of freedom, rationalization and prosperity. Tip toeing around them and respecting them is not the way forward. Maybe they deserve tolerance, but thats it. They need to be constantly challenged and/or disrespected otherwise they will keep propagating their crap. God is not great and believers are generally scumbags.
I agree completely, these religions have caused immeasurable harm to civilization and the human psyche as a whole. There is every reason to go on the offense against religion and that is the stance I've taken.
Its very ironic to see the religious complaining about discrimination, in theocracies it is often a crime punishable by death to be an atheist or any degree of "non-believer".
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3]
#19091550 - 11/05/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.
That is ironic, run along now.
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Im not running from the "truth". I have better things to do than bicker about religion on an internet forum atm and I know that soon its just going to be another random thread swept into the heaping pile of other threads and eventually everyone will forget it ever existed and stop visiting it. So I guess Im really just saying, Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes.
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#19091857 - 11/05/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im not running from the "truth". I have better things to do than bicker about religion on an internet forum atm and I know that soon its just going to be another random thread swept into the heaping pile of other threads and eventually everyone will forget it ever existed and stop visiting it. So I guess Im really just saying, Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes.
Yet, that is precisely what you are doing... Do you want to have a conversation about your beliefs here or not? If you do then be open to criticism, if not then you could leave.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3]
#19091897 - 11/05/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: Im not running from the "truth". I have better things to do than bicker about religion on an internet forum atm and I know that soon its just going to be another random thread swept into the heaping pile of other threads and eventually everyone will forget it ever existed and stop visiting it. So I guess Im really just saying, Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes.

All things will pass, every conversation. If philosophy is too unimportant and meaningless for someone, I can't imagine that they would be interested in mundane conversations

"Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes"
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