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fightingcherries


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Never buy spores again?
#19085926 - 11/04/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Lets say I were to buy one spore syringe and grow with with, if I were to keep making spore prints/syringes from that one syringe's offspring how long could I keep on doing that? Forever? or at some point does it no longer become viable?
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You can grow mushrooms with it and mushrooms drop spores, then you can grow with those spores and repeat the process. So unless something goes wrong and you get contam every single time, id say that you could keep taking prints
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Yeah you can do that. After you've been a member here for a while you can also start trading prints with other users to obtain different genetics
Just don't buy a kit. They suck. Watch the let's grow mushrooms video series and do it yourself
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: Stromrider]
#19085982 - 11/04/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: Stromrider]
#19086044 - 11/04/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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yep i can attest to this i only bought one syringe took a spore print from my harvest and went to agar. also won a pe print from a member which im going to be playing with tonight
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: twistedty]
#19086198 - 11/04/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, as long as you start from print, you'll have fresh genetics. If you clone, fruit, clone, fruit, clone, then fruit, and then finally print again, you'll still have fresh genetics from that print.
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Yeah you'll have to learn to use agar if you want to be successful with it. It's pretty tough to get really clean prints at home
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: Stromrider]
#19086214 - 11/04/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stromrider said: Yeah you'll have to learn to use agar if you want to be successful with it. It's pretty tough to get really clean prints at home
Id have to disagree... I'd done open air printing, then put a print to agar without a single bit of contam... dirty conditions around the print also... As long as it's not an out door print, in general one should be just fine with print to syringe and have a good 80-100% success ratio with proper sterile technique.
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fightingcherries said: Lets say I were to buy one spore syringe and grow with with, if I were to keep making spore prints/syringes from that one syringe's offspring how long could I keep on doing that? Forever? or at some point does it no longer become viable?
eventually you would run into issues, tampenisis is one that has suffered from inbreeding for example, so it's best to save your earlier prints(or obviuosly do some trading) but yes there would eventually be problems.
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Yeah, ime making prints -> syringes is easier than working with agar, but I do admittedly need more practice doing agar work. Otherwise to the OP's question you can effectively make prints to last you forever. However, each time you take a print you are narrowing down the genetics (ignoring possible mutations which increase them, yet are rare). Effectively it doesn't matter though, working over 10+ years you may well begin to see a difference (and it could be better or worse), but it will take quite a while, and you can always trade or keep older prints to diversify your offspring.
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: krypto2000]
#19086355 - 11/04/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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wtf kind of question was that... even if you forget to take a spore print and you have a dried mushroom left, you can still grow it into a culture.
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fightingcherries


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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: cronicr]
#19090401 - 11/05/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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how do you know when there are signs of inbreeding?/how long does it take for that to happen? I am guessing years because of the other responses on the forum.
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Or you could make a liquid culture. Take the last drop of solution in your spore syringe and drop it into a lc and a week later you'll have enough to supply hundreds of jars. That is unless it contams, so I would make at least 3. The contam rate for lc is kinda high. But assuming it goes well, you have a nearly unlimited supply which you could use to make even more liquid culture! Things get very exponential in this hobby if you do it right. Haha.
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19090799 - 11/05/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Or you could make a liquid culture. Take the last drop of solution in your spore syringe and drop it into a lc and a week later you'll have enough to supply hundreds of jars.
LCs from spores are sketchy as hell, and it could take up to 2 weeks for the spres to even germinate and start to grow.
Then you would have to wait 2-4 weeks for the LC to colonize a descent amount.
Then you need to shoot up and grow out test jars, so you do not waste your time knocking up a bunch of jars with contaminated LC.
Seems like a giant pain in the ass waste of time to me.
Much quicker and safer to just use knock up the grains/cakes with the spores and and let them grow.
But that's just me....I did always prefer the more common sense approach.
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fightingcherries said: how do you know when there are signs of inbreeding?/how long does it take for that to happen? I am guessing years because of the other responses on the forum.
honestly it would take years of growing/printing from the original print, there's a section in the strain thread where workman goes into detail about it
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: cronicr]
#19090915 - 11/05/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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thanks!!!
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: PussyFart]
#19090961 - 11/05/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Sgt. Pepper said: Or you could make a liquid culture. Take the last drop of solution in your spore syringe and drop it into a lc and a week later you'll have enough to supply hundreds of jars.
LCs from spores are sketchy as hell, and it could take up to 2 weeks for the spres to even germinate and start to grow.
Then you would have to wait 2-4 weeks for the LC to colonize a descent amount.
Then you need to shoot up and grow out test jars, so you do not waste your time knocking up a bunch of jars with contaminated LC.
Seems like a giant pain in the ass waste of time to me.
Much quicker and safer to just use knock up the grains/cakes with the spores and and let them grow.
But that's just me....I did always prefer the more common sense approach.
I respect your opinion completely, but that's how I do it and it works for me. The beauty of this hobby is the ability to do things how it works for you. While it may be a sketchy process with a high failure rate, one jar of lc can supply numerous grows. But I do agree with you, it is unreliable. I got an oyster lc syringe from a very reputable, sponsor distributor and it was contaminated with the green mean. So to the op, if you were to make a lc, be very careful and expect a couple contams every now and again. Plenty of people love lc, but plenty also hate it. Only way to tell which category you fall into is to try it.
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19090984 - 11/05/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll say it again to make sure it known. Agar is the way to go. No question.
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Re: Never buy spores again? [Re: Stromrider]
#19091038 - 11/05/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If one were to insist on LC, then at least make it from agar of known to be good genetics.
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Stromrider
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I'm actually in the process of using an agar wedge to make a galindoi lc
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