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spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk
#19088740 - 11/05/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hi I can't seem to find any up to date teks for spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye or w.e. to bulk coir/verm in a monotub. Also if anyone would like to post any experiences that would be great too. Also thought I should add I'm getting 3lbs of spawn a brick of coir and 8 quarts of verm and a 50 quart monotub. I guess if any one could tell me what the 1:2 ratio for that in cups. Thatd be great if not a link to how I could figure it out myself Thanks in advance for any exp. Or links
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: magickspore]
#19088781 - 11/05/13 06:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have all of those and they all have pretty much equal results. Like everyone will tell you, cubes are cubes. They are all the same. Although I will say eq and gt seem to colonize faster than the others ime. Cubes do grest on just core and verm as well. No need for poo.
And this might help you; http://substratecalculator.info/
Edited by SupaThaRipper (11/05/13 06:17 AM)
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#19088812 - 11/05/13 06:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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6. Do NOT ask strain questions in cultivation. There is a sticky thread at the top of the page for such nonsense. 'Strain' in mushrooms is not the same as strain in pot growing, thus we keep 'strain talk' sequestered in it's own dungeon so people won't think it actually matters.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: PussyFart]
#19090629 - 11/05/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok number 1 I know about all that crap that a cube is a cube but I don't believe it for a sec and if u actually read the ? On the pull u would see that STRAIN is in quotes meaning I agree to a point u don't have diff "STRAINS" and if u look real close it says IN YOUR EXPIRIENCE so if u don't have any exp with those particular ones then don't say anything Also it was just supposed be a fun lil survey to see what ppl thought if u don't like it move it and 2nd of all my actual ?? Pertains to cultivation not strains thx for the input it has been duly noted and ignored and to supa thx for the link. Still lookin for exp. Or links like a grow log done with these conditions
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: magickspore]
#19090647 - 11/05/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dude, first of all, you need some better spelling and punctuation if you want to be taken seriously.
Second of all, stop acting like you know what you're talking about.
And lastly, if you refuse to believe that a cube is a cube before you have ever grown a single mushroom, then we can't help you.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: magickspore]
#19090733 - 11/05/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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magickspore said: Ok number 1 I know about all that crap that a cube is a cube but I don't believe it for a sec and if u actually read the ? On the pull u would see that STRAIN is in quotes meaning I agree to a point u don't have diff "STRAINS" and if u look real close it says IN YOUR EXPIRIENCE so if u don't have any exp with those particular ones then don't say anything Also it was just supposed be a fun lil survey to see what ppl thought if u don't like it move it and 2nd of all my actual ?? Pertains to cultivation not strains thx for the input it has been duly noted and ignored
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19091659 - 11/05/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I've been growing on brf cakes using the pf tek. I've grown about 30 1/2 pints. I want to take the next step to grains, and agar if all goes well. I've decided to start off with presterilized. As I do not have the funds for a PC and I already have everything from the pf tek. Again it was just supposed to be amusing. I've been a member for a year (more or less on this account) and had a diff account for two years before that. I've never had to post because I have always been able to find the answers with the search engine. I have a good idea of what I'm going to do for my original post. But as I have never done this and can't seem to find a good tek that matches what I'm doing. I thought I'd ask the good people of shroomery what their findings were. I also thought it'd be fun to add a question that I have been pondering on.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: magickspore]
#19092122 - 11/05/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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What tek exactlly are you looking for?
Its not really a tek.. its just doing the math dude. Everyone uses different ratios of spawn to sub. Using a higher ratio isnt necessarily better.. do you need a tek for monotub build and prep or something?
Edited by SupaThaRipper (11/05/13 07:53 PM)
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#19092216 - 11/05/13 08:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Although I am a believer that "strain" is for the most part meaningless, there will always be a difference between two different gene pools of mushrooms. For example, my first grows were with pesh, orissa India, and Ecuador. The ecuador was all around slow as hell. The oi colonized very quickly but produced few fruits. The pesh colonized at an average pace but produced ounces upon ounces. What I'm getting at is that while strain may not matter, the spores from one syringe will function differently than spores from another syringe.
Edited by Sgt. Pepper (11/05/13 08:03 PM)
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19092296 - 11/05/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: Although I am a believer that "strain" is for the most part meaningless, there will always be a difference between two different gene pools of mushrooms. For example, my first grows were with pesh, orissa India, and Ecuador. The ecuador was all around slow as hell. The oi colonized very quickly but produced few fruits. The pesh colonized at an average pace but produced ounces upon ounces. What I'm getting at is that while strain may not matter, the spores from one syringe will function differently than spores from another syringe.
that's because you grew from spores. Next time you grow your ecuador could be the fastest with pesh going slow as hell and yielding shitty. Once you've been around them enough you'll see why we have our sentiment. On the other hand you just sound like an arrogant noob.
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If you're interested in moving away from the PF tek there's grain/bulk here's some detailed info below
How frank gets shit done This is franks post with links to his teks. Frank is one of our Trusted Cultivators. If you use the advance search engine you can click a box for trusted cultivators. This will give you replies to the question you had(that's already been asked 100s of times) by people that know their shit. Please do this before posting any question you have
Tips and tricksLot's of good stuff in here.
Preparing grain spawn What to do with that spawn? Coir prep Tek
If you plan on asking about lighting in the future NotAHacker will probably copy and paste this to you so here's it in advance Lighting requirements of mushrooms
Good things to know are there's a box for "trusted cultivators" in the advanced search engine when you click on search posts. This gives you replies by only people with the TC tag.
Good current members to listen to are NotAHacker420 and Frank(from the above links) They're around a lot and their advice is solid.
If you cant figure out how to spawn your bags or make a monotub from the links above then.... It's also really easy to find everything I posted if you tried harder searching. Use the trusted cultivator box under search posts.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: bodhisatta]
#19092382 - 11/05/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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we can't convert 3 pounds to x volume. it varies. That's the nature of the world.
There are plenty of unit calculators on the world wide webs to convert your volumes to cups.
Then, you can do the math to get the ratios
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: bodhisatta]
#19092404 - 11/05/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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He doesnt sound like an arrogant noob. Hes just stating his experience.
Basically you never know what youre going get with multispore. The only sure way is cloning.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: bodhisatta]
#19092412 - 11/05/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: If you plan on asking about lighting in the future NotAHacker will probably copy and paste this to you so here's it in advance Lighting requirements of mushrooms
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: PussyFart]
#19092446 - 11/05/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19092484 - 11/05/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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that's because you grew from spores. Next time you grow your ecuador could be the fastest with pesh going slow as hell and yielding shitty. Once you've been around them enough you'll see why we have our sentiment. On the other hand you just sound like an arrogant noob.
I'm sorry but I don't think you understood what I meant by that. I meant to say that in any gene pool there will be variations. I never said that I expected consistent results from any strain, I just said what happened to be the characteristics of the spores I received. If I were to buy two different syringes of Ecuador from different vendors then they would undoubtably perform differently, and when I grew pesh, ecuador, and oi, they performed differently. Genetics in any 2 non-isolate samples are going to be different and strain has nothing to do with how different they will be. I in no way meant to say that consistent results can be expected by using the same strain, which you seem to think I said. If anything I was agreeing with you so I really don't think I deserve to be called an arrogant noob just because you are unable to interpret what I wrote.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19092667 - 11/05/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said: I just said what happened to be the characteristics of the spores I received.
More precisely, it was the characteristics of the particular spores that germinated from the spores you received.
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Sgt. Pepper said:If I were to buy two different syringes of Ecuador from different vendors then they would undoubtably perform differently, and when I grew pesh, ecuador, and oi, they performed differently.
It's not because they came from different vendors, or even from different fruits for that matter.
This is also true if you grow out spores from the same spore print as before. In other words, you can have a spore print or syringe, make a drop on agar or grain or whatever and grow it out. Take another drop from the same syringe or print and the grow will be different. Again, this is 2 different grows from the same spore print or syringe.
The point is, MS is a crap shoot. You don't know what's going to happen on any given grow from the spore print. It has nothing to do with vendor or variety.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19092732 - 11/05/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
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Sgt. Pepper said: I just said what happened to be the characteristics of the spores I received.
More precisely, it was the characteristics of the particular spores that germinated from the spores you received.
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Sgt. Pepper said:If I were to buy two different syringes of Ecuador from different vendors then they would undoubtably perform differently, and when I grew pesh, ecuador, and oi, they performed differently.
It's not because they came from different vendors, or even from different fruits for that matter.
This is also true if you grow out spores from the same spore print as before. In other words, you can have a spore print or syringe, make a drop on agar or grain or whatever and grow it out. Take another drop from the same syringe or print and the grow will be different. Again, this is 2 different grows from the same spore print or syringe.
The point is, MS is a crap shoot. You don't know what's going to happen on any given grow from the spore print. It has nothing to do with vendor or variety.
Yeah, I understand that, every spore has a different set of genetics and it takes 2 spores to germinate. Therefore in a drop of spore solution there are billions of possibilities. Again, I should have been more clear. I just said the different vendors part to emphasize that all spores have different genetics, but you're right, any ms grow is a crapshoot. I guess I was just stating how the crap got shot for each of the strains. Haha.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19092812 - 11/05/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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But your previous posts indicate you think it has something to do with varieties and/or vendors. It is inferred by your poll.
I can see now that you understand vendor and variety has nothing to do with your results, as far as genetics go.
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19092839 - 11/05/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes, I'm sorry, I may have been a little unclear about that. But what poll? I never responded to the poll?
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Re: spawn bags aka pre-sterilized rye etc to bulk [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19092849 - 11/05/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok well I guess I was looking more for like a grow log of someone doing spawn bags w/ p. Cubes. I've read all of those links and have them as favorites except the calculator link thank you for that by the way. As for the other links thanks and hopefully they will help other noobs as much as they've helped me. If anybody has some experiences with the conditions I mentioned above or similar I'd love to hear how it worked out for you. As for the light, again I've got previous experience with P. Cubes, and 6 years with, well other stuff.
Edited by magickspore (11/05/13 10:12 PM)
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