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OfflineTheGreenArrow
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Athiests, C'mon really?
    #19088541 - 11/05/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God.  What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism?
Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?
I just don't get this mentality, Why?  I mean we get it Your fucking right.
and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com
What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong?  I just don't see the purpose. :facepalm:


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19088648 - 11/05/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God.  What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism?
Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?
I just don't get this mentality, Why?  I mean we get it Your fucking right.
and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com
What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong?  I just don't see the purpose. :facepalm:




For the same reason you may talk about how all is love and god even exists and all that stuff.  It's what humans do.  This seems very basic to me but I've been around a lot longer than you.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Icelander]
    #19088668 - 11/05/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't say I prescribe to the idea that "all is love".  I think that consciousness is what drives matter to coalesce.  But I at a point I stopped trying to convince others of my thoughts on existence.  Maybe not though.
  I guess what I'm really ranting on is why do people feel the need to convince others they're right about it?  :jimmies:


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19088676 - 11/05/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 

Delusional surroundings backfire on myself.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19088715 - 11/05/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Atheists :nojustno:


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19088717 - 11/05/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I wouldn't say I prescribe to the idea that "all is love".  I think that consciousness is what drives matter to coalesce.  But I at a point I stopped trying to convince others of my thoughts on existence.  Maybe not though.
  I guess what I'm really ranting on is why do people feel the need to convince others they're right about it?  :jimmies:





I told you why, it's what humans do. :shrug:  When you get to be my age that's all the explanation  you know you are going to get and it's all you need to proceed.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19088869 - 11/05/13 07:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pigeonholing much?


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19088905 - 11/05/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

im an atheist and i don't shove my beliefs down other peoples throats

i go to a christian church twice a week . im still an atheist , i just go to socialize with people .


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: PLOWTO]
    #19088912 - 11/05/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I prefer a bar. :satansmoking:


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19088913 - 11/05/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Icelander said:
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TheGreenArrow said:
Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God.  What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism?
Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?
I just don't get this mentality, Why?  I mean we get it Your fucking right.
and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com
What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong?  I just don't see the purpose. :facepalm:




For the same reason you may talk about how all is love and god even exists and all that stuff.  It's what humans do.  This seems very basic to me but I've been around a lot longer than you.




Basically this. Humans like validation.

That being said, there is more danger imo of bible thumping door knockers vs. proselytizing atheists - atheism doesn't breed intolerance and issues like religion does.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3]
    #19088960 - 11/05/13 08:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
Atheists :nojustno:



Was this directed towards me?

I don't tell people what to believe in or not believe in but I try to speak my mind. So I do care what my surroundings do, it seriously lower my living standard and could hit me hard in the face one day if I don't. This is not only about religions but ideologies and fantasy in general. What the person next to me does alter my existence, that's why I don't want any interaction with him or her, but this goes both ways and when they, the masses, decide what laws, rules and morals to control me with I have to pay attention.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Icelander] * 1
    #19089018 - 11/05/13 08:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Icelander for Atheist Pope. :pope:


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19089256 - 11/05/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?



I wish I didn't have to care, unfortunately the religious nuts are fucking up society with their irrational beliefs.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19089432 - 11/05/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God.  What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism?
Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?
I just don't get this mentality, Why?  I mean we get it Your fucking right.
and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com
What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong?  I just don't see the purpose. :facepalm:




it is of no concern to you what anyone does in public forums or IRL.

"i disapprove of what you say, but i defend to the death your right to say it" - voltaire

i believe yours is an emotional, reactionary comment.

perhaps an atheist is only a man of reason, with no debt to your god, or your facebook.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon, can't religitards spell? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19089529 - 11/05/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Bill Nye, the harmless children's edu-tainer known as "The Science Guy," managed to offend a select group of adults in Waco, Texas at a presentation, when he suggested that the moon does not emit light, but instead reflects the light of the sun.

As even most elementary-school graduates know, the moon reflects the light of the sun but produces no light of its own.

But don't tell that to the good people of Waco, who were "visibly angered by what some perceived as irreverence," according to the Waco Tribune.

Nye was in town to participate in McLennan Community College's Distinguished Lecture Series. He gave two lectures on such unfunny and adult topics as global warming, Mars exploration, and energy consumption.

But nothing got people as riled as when he brought up Genesis 1:16, which reads: "God made two great lights -- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars."

The lesser light, he pointed out, is not a light at all, but only a reflector.

At this point, several people in the audience stormed out in fury. One woman yelled "We believe in God!" and left with three children, thus ensuring that people across America would read about the incident and conclude that Waco is as nutty as they'd always suspected.

This story originally appeared in the Waco Tribune, but the newspaper has mysteriously pulled its story from the online version, presumably to avoid further embarrassment.





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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: stzacrack]
    #19090306 - 11/05/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God.  What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism?
Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?
I just don't get this mentality, Why?  I mean we get it Your fucking right.
and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com
What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong?  I just don't see the purpose. :facepalm:




it is of no concern to you what anyone does in public forums or IRL.

"i disapprove of what you say, but i defend to the death your right to say it" - voltaire

i believe yours is an emotional, reactionary comment.

perhaps an atheist is only a man of reason, with no debt to your god, or your facebook.



I never said I was christian, and I'm not sure I like the word God.  I am in no means trying to say one theology or lack there of is right or wrong.  And the only emotion I feel is annoyance at people who have to be right.  Just seems like a waste of energy to post "God is Lame" memes on fb and similar situations in the hopes of an obligitory argument.  I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19090356 - 11/05/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?




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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19090756 - 11/05/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Zombi3 said:
Atheists :nojustno:



Was this directed towards me?

I don't tell people what to believe in or not believe in but I try to speak my mind. So I do care what my surroundings do, it seriously lower my living standard and could hit me hard in the face one day if I don't. This is not only about religions but ideologies and fantasy in general. What the person next to me does alter my existence, that's why I don't want any interaction with him or her, but this goes both ways and when they, the masses, decide what laws, rules and morals to control me with I have to pay attention.



Nope. Just atheists in general. You guys make me :lmafo: and :facepalm: all the time. Dont get me wrong I dont hate or dislike atheists, I mean to each his own right? I just cant for the life of me understand the atheist mentality. Seems like a bigger joke than most religions IMHO.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] * 1
    #19090791 - 11/05/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The atheist view is based on not believing in what one can't perceive. How does that not make sense?


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19090903 - 11/05/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What came first the chicken or the egg?
I find it eons easier to believe that a bearded man in the sky willed the universe into existence vs some atoms and elements or whatever collided, resulting in our advanced circulatory system or phytochrome cells in plants or the aroura borealis (just a few examples). It sounds like such a major load of crap to me that every single element, every single atom, every single everything needed to form rocks, trees, people, cats, molds, viruses, or anything, was all present in the same place at the exact fraction of a second it needed to be in order to make all that. Furthermore I find it plainly absurd to claim that all the ecessary ingrediants if you will, were just floating around waiting to make us, and earth, and everything here.

I read somewhere (not looking for the reference) that space is expanding, or stretching. This leads me to the logical conclusion that it started in one spot, perhaps as a much smaller more compact space and if you go back far enough theoretically "space" was once a tiny tiny tiny spec of, existence or something, or nothing. Where did it all come from in the beginning? Its wonderful for you to say that space was there and there was some elements or chemicals or atoms just hanging around you know making planets and solar systems as per usual. But to me thats hogwash.

To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us. Its laughable to believe its all a coincidence.

Atheism :burke:

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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3]
    #19090938 - 11/05/13 04:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:blah:

You didn't answer my question.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19090948 - 11/05/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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TheGreenArrow said:
Look let me just start out by saying we all get it you don't believe in God.  What I can't seem to understand is why must you proselytize your atheism?
Why must you post shit on facebook?  Why do you care whether or not people believe in an imaginary old dude in the sky? 
IMO proselytizing atheists are every bit as bad as bible thumping door knockers.  Why must people feel the need to shove they're beliefs (or lack there of) down other people's throat?
I just don't get this mentality, Why?  I mean we get it Your fucking right.
and fucking this? http://firstchurchofatheism.com
What the fuck do they do sit in a building every Sunday and talk about how everybody who believes in a God is wrong?  I just don't see the purpose. :facepalm:




Because of all the very real harm caused by religion, from direct violence to interference in science and politics.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19091002 - 11/05/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The atheist view is based on not believing in what one can't perceive. How does that not make sense?



Can you see the wind? No, but you can see its effects and feel its presence so you know it exists.

I cannot see god, but I can feel his presence, and see his effects, and thus I know god exists.

Just because you cant see or feel something doesnt mean it cant exist. Why do you believe Pluto exists? You cant see or feel it can you? You just take someone elses word for it that it exists.

I feel god, and I see god in so many ways, I am not taking someone elses word for it. I believe in god because my experiences in life have led me to believe god exists.

If its all about perception to you, then why are DMT elves not real? I can perceive them just fine, even make what seems like totally real physical contact with them, and yet they are a figment of my imagination. Therefore logically, not all perceivable things are in existence. If I can perceive things that certainly do not exist, then why is it so hard to believe that things we cannot perceive dont exist?


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] * 2
    #19091036 - 11/05/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?




No, because they fuck up the world for the rest of us.  Their fairy tales and superstitions are not benign, they are dangerous and hold both individuals and society back from progressing to something better.  They are the enemy of freedom, rationalization and prosperity.  Tip toeing around them and respecting them is not the way forward.  Maybe they deserve tolerance, but thats it.  They need to be constantly challenged and/or disrespected otherwise they will keep propagating their crap.  God is not great and believers are generally scumbags.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: DieCommie] * 1
    #19091112 - 11/05/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Note: Not to DC...

Why don't the Ugandan gays just let the Christians kill them all off instead of bitching and whining?

Why is your ordinary Iraqi pissed that the entire country's infrastructure has been gutted and several hundred thousand citizens dead just because God spoke to George Bush?


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] * 3
    #19091138 - 11/05/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can you see the wind? No, but you can see its effects and feel its presence so you know it exists.

Horrible example, I can definitely perceive the wind. It's also possible clearly watching the wind with the right tools.

I cannot see god, but I can feel his presence, and see his effects, and thus I know god exists.

How can you feel one type of god whilst another feel a completely different god? You claim yours to be creator of everything and the other claim his or her to be creator of everything.

Just because you cant see or feel something doesnt mean it cant exist. Why do you believe Pluto exists? You cant see or feel it can you? You just take someone elses word for it that it exists.

Pluto:



I feel god, and I see god in so many ways, I am not taking someone elses word for it. I believe in god because my experiences in life have led me to believe god exists.

Do you have any substantial material to prove this god of yours? Or is it just subjective ramble with no root in reality, unlike my photo of Pluto.

If its all about perception to you, then why are DMT elves not real? I can perceive them just fine, even make what seems like totally real physical contact with them, and yet they are a figment of my imagination. Therefore logically, not all perceivable things are in existence. If I can perceive things that certainly do not exist, then why is it so hard to believe that things we cannot perceive dont exist?

The same applies here. Show me substantial material of these machine elves of yours and I am convinced. Then I want to see a real photography or even better, you organize for me and Diploid to meet one, Diploid would gladly pay you for your time.


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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19091153 - 11/05/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: liquidlounge]
    #19091188 - 11/05/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Can you see the wind? No, but you can see its effects and feel its presence so you know it exists.

Horrible example, I can definitely perceive the wind. It's also possible clearly watching the wind with the right tools.

I cannot see god, but I can feel his presence, and see his effects, and thus I know god exists.

How can you feel one type of god whilst another feel a completely different god? You claim yours to be creator of everything and the other claim his or her to be creator of everything.

Just because you cant see or feel something doesnt mean it cant exist. Why do you believe Pluto exists? You cant see or feel it can you? You just take someone elses word for it that it exists.

Pluto:



I feel god, and I see god in so many ways, I am not taking someone elses word for it. I believe in god because my experiences in life have led me to believe god exists.

Do you have any substantial material to prove this god of yours? Or is it just subjective ramble with no root in reality, unlike my photo of Pluto.

If its all about perception to you, then why are DMT elves not real? I can perceive them just fine, even make what seems like totally real physical contact with them, and yet they are a figment of my imagination. Therefore logically, not all perceivable things are in existence. If I can perceive things that certainly do not exist, then why is it so hard to believe that things we cannot perceive dont exist?

The same applies here. Show me substantial material of these machine elves of yours and I am convinced. Then I want to see a real photography or even better, you organize for me and Diploid to meet one, Diploid would gladly pay you for your time.



:aweohyou:At first I was interested in voicing my opinion, experiences, and religious views but now I see its going to quickly diminish from an intelligent conversation into another bullshit thread fighting back and forth.

We all have different views. You say potato, I say vodka. You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.


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TheGreenArrow said:
I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?




No, because they fuck up the world for the rest of us.  Their fairy tales and superstitions are not benign, they are dangerous and hold both individuals and society back from progressing to something better.  They are the enemy of freedom, rationalization and prosperity.  Tip toeing around them and respecting them is not the way forward.  Maybe they deserve tolerance, but thats it.  They need to be constantly challenged and/or disrespected otherwise they will keep propagating their crap.  God is not great and believers are generally scumbags.



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    #19091197 - 11/05/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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:aweohyou:At first I was interested in voicing my opinion, experiences, and religious views but now I see its going to quickly diminish from an intelligent conversation into another bullshit thread fighting back and forth.

We all have different views. You say potato, I say vodka. You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.




This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate use the forum one below.
Nice cop out to avoid arguing your opinion. Essentially you are saying you are only interested in voicing your opinion, experiences, and religious views if they won't be challenged.. Doesn't seem that intelligent to me..


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:aweohyou:At first I was interested in voicing my opinion, experiences, and religious views but now I see its going to quickly diminish from an intelligent conversation into another bullshit thread fighting back and forth.

We all have different views. You say potato, I say vodka. You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.




This is a debate forum. If you don't want to debate use the forum one below.
Nice cop out to avoid arguing your opinion. Essentially you are saying you are only interested in voicing your opinion, experiences, and religious views if they won't be challenged.. Doesn't seem that intelligent to me..



Thats not true. I have all the interest in the world in talking about my views with people who are open to them, Im not going to waste my figurative breath by saying what will only be heard as false to you. If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.


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    #19091234 - 11/05/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You put your faith and belief in man and I choose to put mine in a god. None of us have to be right, we could all be wrong.




No, that is a poor characterization.  It looks to me (after reading this thread) that you put your faith in yourself.  You trust your thoughts and your ideas over others.  This is arrogance and hubris.  We (scientifically minded skeptics) believe the opposite.  To quote Feynman, "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts."

You are the one putting your faith in man (in this case, a man - yourself, in others case they put their faith in ancient desert dwellers or local mystics).  The skeptics are the ones with no faith in man.


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    #19091241 - 11/05/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Also, hey DieCommie - haven't seen you around in a while. I know it's off topic but still mining BTC?




Nope, its not profitable at this time for my gear.  But, it is profitable to mine "LiteCoins" and then go onto the exchange and convert them to bitcoins.  :tongue:


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    #19091357 - 11/05/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

We are all atheists. I just believe in 1 less than you. Why would you address only atheists in your original post when all i constantly see on fb are christians trying to force their opinions on me. I usually don't share my personal lack of belief because I'm the one who gets persecuted and told I'm going to burn in hell.

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Then he is malevolent.
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    #19091364 - 11/05/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Also, hey DieCommie - haven't seen you around in a while. I know it's off topic but still mining BTC?




Nope, its not profitable at this time for my gear.  But, it is profitable to mine "LiteCoins" and then go onto the exchange and convert them to bitcoins.  :tongue:




Makes sense. Bitcoin is doing quite well these days in terms of profitability. I made some nice money selling a whole bunch a while back but wish I had kept on to the majority till now since they keep on climbing higher.

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Thats not true. I have all the interest in the world in talking about my views with people who are open to them, Im not going to waste my figurative breath by saying what will only be heard as false to you. If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.




If you can make a rational logical case for your argument then I am more than willing to entertain it. I am always ready to challenge my viewpoint - the beliefs I hold are a direct result of me challenging my beliefs and questioning everything.


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I mean can't you just let people believe what makes them feel better about the inevitiblity of death?




No, because they fuck up the world for the rest of us.  Their fairy tales and superstitions are not benign, they are dangerous and hold both individuals and society back from progressing to something better.  They are the enemy of freedom, rationalization and prosperity.  Tip toeing around them and respecting them is not the way forward.  Maybe they deserve tolerance, but thats it.  They need to be constantly challenged and/or disrespected otherwise they will keep propagating their crap.  God is not great and believers are generally scumbags.




I agree completely, these religions have caused immeasurable harm to civilization and the human psyche as a whole. There is every reason to go on the offense against religion and that is the stance I've taken.

Its very ironic to see the religious complaining about discrimination, in theocracies it is often a crime punishable by death to be an atheist or any degree of "non-believer".


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If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.




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    #19091616 - 11/05/13 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Im not running from the "truth". I have better things to do than bicker about religion on an internet forum atm and I know that soon its just going to be another random thread swept into the heaping pile of other threads and eventually everyone will forget it ever existed and stop visiting it. So I guess Im really just saying, Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes.

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    #19091857 - 11/05/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Im not running from the "truth". I have better things to do than bicker about religion on an internet forum atm and I know that soon its just going to be another random thread swept into the heaping pile of other threads and eventually everyone will forget it ever existed and stop visiting it. So I guess Im really just saying, Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes.



Yet, that is precisely what you are doing...
Do you want to have a conversation about your beliefs here or not?
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Im not running from the "truth". I have better things to do than bicker about religion on an internet forum atm and I know that soon its just going to be another random thread swept into the heaping pile of other threads and eventually everyone will forget it ever existed and stop visiting it. So I guess Im really just saying, Au revoir, je me suis amusé, mais je dois partir et ont tendance à certaines discussions les plus importantes.

:wizard:




All things will pass, every conversation. If philosophy is too unimportant and meaningless for someone, I can't imagine that they would be interested in mundane conversations

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    #19092048 - 11/05/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us. Its laughable to believe its all a coincidence.




It's laughable to think anything at all about it. Not having an answer does lean heavily towards atheism because it's not the holding of an answer it's the rejection of one. Besides that 'coincidence' doesn't explain anything, just like 'God' doesn't explain anything. Both answers suggest a hidden variable to a more complex question. Ultimately if we want to feel like we understand the existence of reality we have to make some shit up. Not very integrous IMO, but for the believer it's common to assume the non-believer has their own version of 'how things work'.


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    #19092421 - 11/05/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us.

You're arguing that the universe is too complex to not have a designer god. Well, the same argument applies to god who must be at least as complex as the universe, and so god is also too complex to not have a designer.

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    #19092598 - 11/05/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I actually don't blame the atheists- in fact, I 100% support what they do when they insult and make fun of religion.

Here's my take on this. Every single day, a new human being is born and a new "ego" is created. An ego is like a piece of clay that gets molded by the experiences it undergoes which determine what kind of human being it will grow up to be, what kind of aspirations and desires it'll have, and so forth. I feel like religion and the spreading of it on this newly crafted ego can yield very negative consequences. Religion is often forced by the parents despite a lack of definitive proof. You're pretty much filling this baby's head with nonsense- I don't mean to insult religion but when you look at it objectively, ALL YOU HAVE ARE STORIES. Stories. Fairy tales. And so forth. You don't have anything that you can prove. Those atheists who post banners insulting religion make this apparent to the child and for that I thank them. It gives them a new perspective and let's them think for themselves, rather than simply following the collective. The collective is more powerful than you think- one look at history and you'll see how insanely religion was enforced. Not being religious was viewed as being criminal like!

Personally, I feel like religion has a net negative impact on society and trying to completely eradicate any power it has is something I truly believe in. In short, let people believe but don't waste ANY tax money, any public resources, or ANYTHING of that matter on it. It's a simple fairy tale and it doesn't deserve any privileges.


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    #19092727 - 11/05/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, insulting religion for me is usually a means to an end. Enunciating how silly it is


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    #19092873 - 11/05/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly you guys may have convinced me.  I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old.
And I learned something today.  I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. :themoreyouknow:


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    #19093347 - 11/05/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thats not true. I have all the interest in the world in talking about my views with people who are open to them, Im not going to waste my figurative breath by saying what will only be heard as false to you. If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.



I see you're relatively new, which is probably why you're still not getting it:

Most of us here have heard all the same spiritual mumbo-jumbo you're spouting many times before, and the exact same arguments you're making. To you, being "open" to your views means "believing them without question." That's not what we do here. We debate using logic and rationality. If that's not your style, there is another forum (Spirituality and Mysticism) where you can share all your views without anyone analyzing or disputing them. There, you can have your own soapbox where you say whatever you want without backing it up.


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    #19093410 - 11/06/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What came first the chicken or the egg?
I find it eons easier to believe that a bearded man in the sky willed the universe into existence vs some atoms and elements or whatever collided, resulting in our advanced circulatory system or phytochrome cells in plants or the aroura borealis (just a few examples). It sounds like such a major load of crap to me that every single element, every single atom, every single everything needed to form rocks, trees, people, cats, molds, viruses, or anything, was all present in the same place at the exact fraction of a second it needed to be in order to make all that. Furthermore I find it plainly absurd to claim that all the ecessary ingrediants if you will, were just floating around waiting to make us, and earth, and everything here.

I read somewhere (not looking for the reference) that space is expanding, or stretching. This leads me to the logical conclusion that it started in one spot, perhaps as a much smaller more compact space and if you go back far enough theoretically "space" was once a tiny tiny tiny spec of, existence or something, or nothing. Where did it all come from in the beginning? Its wonderful for you to say that space was there and there was some elements or chemicals or atoms just hanging around you know making planets and solar systems as per usual. But to me thats hogwash.

To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us. Its laughable to believe its all a coincidence.

Atheism :burke:

:2cents:




See, your entire premise is: I dont understand it, therefore god. It's just ignorance.


As far as atheists being in your face about it. Some of them can be obnoxious and annoying.
But there is validity to telling people they're wrong. Bible thumping adults bring up bible thumping children. And if every generation can't get past believing in an imaginary deity then we never advance, since we think we know the answer. So in that right, theists SHOULD be being told why they're wrong.


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To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us.

You're arguing that the universe is too complex to not have a designer god. Well, the same argument applies to god who must be at least as complex as the universe, and so god is also too complex to not have a designer.

So who designed god?




Exactly. Adding god is just adding another unneeded layer to everything. Where does it stop? Who created god? Who created whoever created god? Who created that?

Why can't the universe always be but god can? Just because you've been told so?


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    #19093511 - 11/06/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19094722 - 11/06/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

god is about as logical as a flying spaghetti monster . its all in your mind .


read this

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    #19095591 - 11/06/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Honestly you guys may have convinced me.  I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old.
And I learned something today.  I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. :themoreyouknow:




It would be far better if we could all respect eachother's decisions, unfortunately that's never really been the case. At least now its safe in the west to simply not believe in those institutions, maybe someday the theocratic influence will be curbed as well


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A turtle.






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Honestly you guys may have convinced me.  I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old.
And I learned something today.  I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. :themoreyouknow:




It would be far better if we could all respect eachother's decisions, unfortunately that's never really been the case. At least now its safe in the west to simply not believe in those institutions, maybe someday the theocratic influence will be curbed as well





Not really THAT safe:

http://uploadsociety.com/video_v2354

http://article.wn.com/view/2012/08/24/Atheist_billboards_taken_down_due_to_threats/#/related_news

http://www.examiner.com/article/christian-death-threats-aimed-at-atheist

http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/01/christian-death-threats-for-atheist.html


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Honestly you guys may have convinced me.  I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old.
And I learned something today.  I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. :themoreyouknow:




It would be far better if we could all respect eachother's decisions, unfortunately that's never really been the case. At least now its safe in the west to simply not believe in those institutions, maybe someday the theocratic influence will be curbed as well





Not really THAT safe:

http://uploadsociety.com/video_v2354

http://article.wn.com/view/2012/08/24/Atheist_billboards_taken_down_due_to_threats/#/related_news

http://www.examiner.com/article/christian-death-threats-aimed-at-atheist

http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/01/christian-death-threats-for-atheist.html



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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #19095807 - 11/06/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No need to read the OT to be OT. I'm not sure reading the NT makes anyone NT. Different strokes for different folks. Dress the monkeys up with ideals and they're still monkeys.


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