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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#19092048 - 11/05/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us. Its laughable to believe its all a coincidence.
It's laughable to think anything at all about it. Not having an answer does lean heavily towards atheism because it's not the holding of an answer it's the rejection of one. Besides that 'coincidence' doesn't explain anything, just like 'God' doesn't explain anything. Both answers suggest a hidden variable to a more complex question. Ultimately if we want to feel like we understand the existence of reality we have to make some shit up. Not very integrous IMO, but for the believer it's common to assume the non-believer has their own version of 'how things work'.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 2
#19092421 - 11/05/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us.
You're arguing that the universe is too complex to not have a designer god. Well, the same argument applies to god who must be at least as complex as the universe, and so god is also too complex to not have a designer.
So who designed god?
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I actually don't blame the atheists- in fact, I 100% support what they do when they insult and make fun of religion.
Here's my take on this. Every single day, a new human being is born and a new "ego" is created. An ego is like a piece of clay that gets molded by the experiences it undergoes which determine what kind of human being it will grow up to be, what kind of aspirations and desires it'll have, and so forth. I feel like religion and the spreading of it on this newly crafted ego can yield very negative consequences. Religion is often forced by the parents despite a lack of definitive proof. You're pretty much filling this baby's head with nonsense- I don't mean to insult religion but when you look at it objectively, ALL YOU HAVE ARE STORIES. Stories. Fairy tales. And so forth. You don't have anything that you can prove. Those atheists who post banners insulting religion make this apparent to the child and for that I thank them. It gives them a new perspective and let's them think for themselves, rather than simply following the collective. The collective is more powerful than you think- one look at history and you'll see how insanely religion was enforced. Not being religious was viewed as being criminal like!
Personally, I feel like religion has a net negative impact on society and trying to completely eradicate any power it has is something I truly believe in. In short, let people believe but don't waste ANY tax money, any public resources, or ANYTHING of that matter on it. It's a simple fairy tale and it doesn't deserve any privileges.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Alexestalex]
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Yeah, insulting religion for me is usually a means to an end. Enunciating how silly it is
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Honestly you guys may have convinced me. I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old. And I learned something today. I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#19093347 - 11/05/13 11:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: Thats not true. I have all the interest in the world in talking about my views with people who are open to them, Im not going to waste my figurative breath by saying what will only be heard as false to you. If you were interested in challenging your standpoint instead of simply defending it then maybe we could chat.
I see you're relatively new, which is probably why you're still not getting it:
Most of us here have heard all the same spiritual mumbo-jumbo you're spouting many times before, and the exact same arguments you're making. To you, being "open" to your views means "believing them without question." That's not what we do here. We debate using logic and rationality. If that's not your style, there is another forum (Spirituality and Mysticism) where you can share all your views without anyone analyzing or disputing them. There, you can have your own soapbox where you say whatever you want without backing it up.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Zombi3] 1
#19093410 - 11/06/13 12:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Zombi3 said: What came first the chicken or the egg? I find it eons easier to believe that a bearded man in the sky willed the universe into existence vs some atoms and elements or whatever collided, resulting in our advanced circulatory system or phytochrome cells in plants or the aroura borealis (just a few examples). It sounds like such a major load of crap to me that every single element, every single atom, every single everything needed to form rocks, trees, people, cats, molds, viruses, or anything, was all present in the same place at the exact fraction of a second it needed to be in order to make all that. Furthermore I find it plainly absurd to claim that all the ecessary ingrediants if you will, were just floating around waiting to make us, and earth, and everything here.
I read somewhere (not looking for the reference) that space is expanding, or stretching. This leads me to the logical conclusion that it started in one spot, perhaps as a much smaller more compact space and if you go back far enough theoretically "space" was once a tiny tiny tiny spec of, existence or something, or nothing. Where did it all come from in the beginning? Its wonderful for you to say that space was there and there was some elements or chemicals or atoms just hanging around you know making planets and solar systems as per usual. But to me thats hogwash.
To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us. Its laughable to believe its all a coincidence.
Atheism 

See, your entire premise is: I dont understand it, therefore god. It's just ignorance.
As far as atheists being in your face about it. Some of them can be obnoxious and annoying. But there is validity to telling people they're wrong. Bible thumping adults bring up bible thumping children. And if every generation can't get past believing in an imaginary deity then we never advance, since we think we know the answer. So in that right, theists SHOULD be being told why they're wrong.
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Diploid said: To me, like I said, it makes tremendously more sense that a god planned this all out and created us.
You're arguing that the universe is too complex to not have a designer god. Well, the same argument applies to god who must be at least as complex as the universe, and so god is also too complex to not have a designer.
So who designed god?
Exactly. Adding god is just adding another unneeded layer to everything. Where does it stop? Who created god? Who created whoever created god? Who created that?
Why can't the universe always be but god can? Just because you've been told so?
Edited by Thecrimson (11/06/13 12:12 AM)
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Diploid] 2
#19093511 - 11/06/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So who designed god?
A turtle.
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Re: Athiests, C'mon really? [Re: Cactilove]
#19094722 - 11/06/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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god is about as logical as a flying spaghetti monster . its all in your mind .
read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_psychology_of_religion
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TheGreenArrow said: Honestly you guys may have convinced me. I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old. And I learned something today. I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. 
It would be far better if we could all respect eachother's decisions, unfortunately that's never really been the case. At least now its safe in the west to simply not believe in those institutions, maybe someday the theocratic influence will be curbed as well
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So who designed god?
A turtle.

Which was in turn created by the great and majestic opossum, who nursed it on His milk and in His pouch.
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TheGreenArrow said: Honestly you guys may have convinced me. I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old. And I learned something today. I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. 
It would be far better if we could all respect eachother's decisions, unfortunately that's never really been the case. At least now its safe in the west to simply not believe in those institutions, maybe someday the theocratic influence will be curbed as well
Not really THAT safe:
http://uploadsociety.com/video_v2354
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/08/24/Atheist_billboards_taken_down_due_to_threats/#/related_news
http://www.examiner.com/article/christian-death-threats-aimed-at-atheist
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/01/christian-death-threats-for-atheist.html
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TheGreenArrow said: Honestly you guys may have convinced me. I suppose without a little push religion as we know it wont ever be changed, and people will continue to believe the world is less than 10000 years old. And I learned something today. I guess no matter what we believe in, ultimately we all want to convince others our brand of bullshit stinks the worst. 
It would be far better if we could all respect eachother's decisions, unfortunately that's never really been the case. At least now its safe in the west to simply not believe in those institutions, maybe someday the theocratic influence will be curbed as well
Not really THAT safe:
http://uploadsociety.com/video_v2354
http://article.wn.com/view/2012/08/24/Atheist_billboards_taken_down_due_to_threats/#/related_news
http://www.examiner.com/article/christian-death-threats-aimed-at-atheist
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2012/01/christian-death-threats-for-atheist.html
Now what the fuck have they even read the book?
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Rahz
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No need to read the OT to be OT. I'm not sure reading the NT makes anyone NT. Different strokes for different folks. Dress the monkeys up with ideals and they're still monkeys.
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