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Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame?
#19088540 - 11/05/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just wondering. I have blamed the universe for being such an asshole to its offspring before, but coming well from some mental issues I find myself breathing life into life, 'getting it' again, wondering what I was bitching about...
It seems one day there can be so little, then the next I wonder how people fall into nihilistic thinking because there is so much... the human world is so vast and complex, no one expected we would get bored.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19088544 - 11/05/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I blame it on God. Fuck you god, I should not forget stuff you cunt ass fuck. Fix my fucking memory you incompetent lazy fucktard.
Edited by usulpsychonaut (11/05/13 03:27 AM)
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19088636 - 11/05/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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circastes said: Just wondering. I have blamed the universe for being such an asshole to its offspring before, but coming well from some mental issues I find myself breathing life into life, 'getting it' again, wondering what I was bitching about...
It seems one day there can be so little, then the next I wonder how people fall into nihilistic thinking because there is so much... the human world is so vast and complex, no one expected we would get bored.
I thought we were the universe dooder?? If we are dissatisfied then that is the universe doing dissatisfaction as part of what it is. After all your posts on us being god you should know this.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19088645 - 11/05/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: I blame it on God. Fuck you god, I should not forget stuff you cunt ass fuck. Fix my fucking memory you incompetent lazy fucktard.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Icelander]
#19088790 - 11/05/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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in the first realization you notice suffering, (an epidemic? an epic?, a tragetdy?)
suffering ranges from deadly pain to nagging unsatisfactoriness. on the other hand there is tremendous opportunity for joy and sweetness, but usually not while overcome with pain or malaise.
with some detachment (aka depersonalization) you may note that experiences are often interwoven contextually between pleasure and amusement as well as suffering or unsatisfactoriness.
to many the background noise of neutrality is closer to unsatisfactoriness than otherwise, while those in physical pain yearn for any neutral moments of relief.
did I mention "aka depersonalization" because perspective does involve a bit of getting out of oneself.
and this also msy be taken as a "defect" for for those of us looking for a more perfected way of being human. i.e. to attain wisdom, one must at least temporarily not be "human" and one must keep repeating the process in such a way that it is not self destructive or even antisocial.
the task may be dauntingly sysiphysian.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: redgreenvines]
#19093635 - 11/06/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personal failure. Sure, we all have bad luck, bad situations..we may have a bird shit on us on our way to work or something.
But its how we respond to the shittiness that separates one from the average complainer/whiner. Through the fire and flames...are you going to get burnt?
Or are you going to be forged and melded into something better, a fuckin sword or something, slicin nd dicin your way to where you want to be, despite all odds.
I've been through some shit lately bro and finally after much perseverance...I'm seeing something wondrous begin to emerge.
Nd I did it with the universe seemingly holding a giant middle finger to my life.
I did it myself. And it feels fucking awesome. Grounded awesome, not dreamy awesome.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19093645 - 11/06/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't sit and wait. Get out there, feel life.
Make life.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19093695 - 11/06/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I find sitting and doing nothing often times feels a whole lot better than what life has to offer.
And blaming others never seems to get me anywhere 
Feels good while I'm venting, but doesn't solve the problem of why they control my feelings.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: cez]
#19093826 - 11/06/13 02:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like hTx, seems like we're on the same sort of page.
Maybe we both suffer from a bit of hopeful naivete though...
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19093841 - 11/06/13 02:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cursing god will hurt you, A good diet keeps the mind calm
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19093851 - 11/06/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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.we may have a bird shit on us on our way to work or something.
This is your idea of human bad luck. It's easy to see that with your privileged life you can look down on the ones who truly suffer from real problems and tell them to buck up. Personally I hope you really get to find out some day. I'll laugh my ass off. Your glib post made me sick. One of the few times in a very long time I truly feel like flaming someone.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: zakkaz]
#19093861 - 11/06/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zakkaz said: cursing god will hurt you, A good diet keeps the mind calm
No cursing god won't necessarily hurt you. That's pure nonsense.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Icelander]
#19093953 - 11/06/13 03:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander said: .we may have a bird shit on us on our way to work or something.
This is your idea of human bad luck. It's easy to see that with your privileged life you can look down on the ones who truly suffer from real problems and tell them to buck up. Personally I hope you really get to find out some day. I'll laugh my ass off. Your glib post made me sick. One of the few times in a very long time I truly feel like flaming someone.
It was a light-hearted jest at bad luck, if not a full on metaphor for when things in the universe don't go as planned.
What you want me to say some real shit or something? My privileged life? You think I haven't suffered, nor am not suffering? You think I don't have real problems?
Assumptions assumptions, what gives you the fucking right to assume such things, and to wish that I suffer more 'real' problems?
As if you know what the fuck I go through on a daily basis.
You don't know my fucking struggle, you don't know what I've been through. You can't sit here and say I haven't truly suffered.
Your glib post makes me sick.
You brag that your rich and than sit here and say shit like that?
[Mod edit: Flame removed]
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19093981 - 11/06/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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First of all you are flaming which is against forum rules. You'd think you'd have learned that lesson by now but it seems you never will. Push a button and get a flame. 
Second what I know about you is what you post, what you say, and that's all I have or want to go on. So I'm taking what you post at face value. And you have never described your suffering beyond saying that you suffer.
And what does having money have to do with suffering or not. Personally I'm not the kind of guy that equates money with happiness. I didn't know you did. 
It's been my experience that people who think others need to just buck up and change attitude (while sometimes true) really don't understand that not everyone is psychologically like they are and some people really don't have the ability or the wherewithal or maybe even the choice to just buck up. Personally I think your black and white position lacks understanding and empathy.
Edited by Icelander (11/06/13 04:16 AM)
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Icelander]
#19094004 - 11/06/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol you get some sort of satisfaction out of trolling me every chance you get huh.
good for you.

I never said any of the things your claiming I did, including that money equates happiness. You said that I'm privileged, yet I never once said that I was..while you have said that your rich and being rich = privileged.
Personally I think thats bullshit but whatever.
Its not about simply bucking up and changing attitudes, its about making the best out of shitty situations, hence the birdshit metaphor.
Your black and white position lacks understanding and empathy.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19094010 - 11/06/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your wishing that someone else suffer, just so they 'get it' shows true lack of empathy and understanding.
Your baseless assumptions about anothers suffering or lack thereof show a holier than thou attitude.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19094032 - 11/06/13 04:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lol you get some sort of satisfaction out of trolling me every chance you get huh.
More personalisms. When have I ever trolled you? Please demonstrate with examples. I treat your posts on their perceived merit just like I do everyone else here.
Lets take an example of a person with manic depression, they are hardly always in a position to just change their attitude. Some people just don't have that kind of control.
I think it would be a truly great learning experience for you and anyone else who thinks everyone just chooses how they feel about life to take a walk in the shoes of someone with a mental illness.
I've lived with chronic depression my whole life. I've spent years in therapy and tried self help shit including meditation for long periods of time. I still end up depressed.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Icelander]
#19094248 - 11/06/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"This is your idea of human bad luck. It's easy to see that with your privileged life you can look down on the ones who truly suffer from real problems and tell them to buck up. Personally I hope you really get to find out some day. I'll laugh my ass off. Your glib post made me sick. One of the few times in a very long time I truly feel like flaming someone."
thats trolling me, imo, because you struck a nerve deliberately with that post..
whatevs tho, we handlin it PM style.
moving on now.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19094293 - 11/06/13 08:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well maybe you're right although that wasn't the whole goal of my response by any means. I've personally always felt that certain types of so called trolling are just as way of getting something across when the skull is too thick to penetrate it any other way. 
But ya we is all good.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: hTx]
#19094300 - 11/06/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19099547 - 11/07/13 09:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think Buddhism kind of says that 'life is suffering'.
A modern perspective on personal failure: in a society which believes in meritocracy, people who succeed are deemed to have done so due to personal efforts. The corollary of this is that failure is also deemed to be personal. The reality is that a perfect meritocracy cannot exist; there are far too many factors which influence the relative success of any given individual, we tend to bundle these factors together into the term 'fate'. Whether or not you believe in determinism and that notion of 'fate', there are nonetheless many factors in your life outside of your control.
To summarise, we are merely [mostly] products of our environment.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19100654 - 11/07/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I blame it on Mckenna and his heroic dose suggestion. That and the 'other.' And UFO phenom as oversoul. I'm stuck here.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19101158 - 11/07/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't think that's the rite way to find answers. Request you to keep the discussion healthy and avoid such language. Thnx
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: FishOilTheKid]
#19101279 - 11/07/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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FishOilTheKid said: I blame it on Mckenna and his heroic dose suggestion. That and the 'other.' And UFO phenom as oversoul. I'm stuck here.

DAMN YOU, MCKENNA!
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Maddy1711]
#19102241 - 11/07/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maddy1711 said: I don't think that's the rite way to find answers. Request you to keep the discussion healthy and avoid such language. Thnx
I think your god sucks donkey dicks in hell. 
Now bugger off. 
And don't pm me with whining and begging anymore.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Icelander]
#19102305 - 11/07/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh shit, son
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19102810 - 11/07/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Read Denial of Death
The Universe is to blame.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19102921 - 11/07/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Satisfaction is temporary. Like all others feelings it will pass... (unless you're depressed) Pretty much all of my problems of life dissatisfaction come from myself.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19103034 - 11/07/13 09:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I reckon this is a tricky one.
The Universe is to blame, in my opinion, but blaming it is an utterly futile waste of time, and changing one's perspective, fair or not, might be the only reasonable approach.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: viktor]
#19103049 - 11/07/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How can you make a separation between yourself and the universe? You are apart of the universe, you are the universe. What ever philosophy you hold dear to your heart about the mind your body is just as much apart of the universe as the chair you sit in...
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#19103167 - 11/07/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was sort of suggesting if life isn't good enough then oneself is to blame. Take for instance childhood and how fulfilling it was, why is it not that way now? Life has the ingredients in it for that all over.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19103210 - 11/07/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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circastes said: Just wondering. I have blamed the universe for being such an asshole to its offspring before, but coming well from some mental issues I find myself breathing life into life, 'getting it' again, wondering what I was bitching about...
It seems one day there can be so little, then the next I wonder how people fall into nihilistic thinking because there is so much... the human world is so vast and complex, no one expected we would get bored.
Both or neither IMO. Its give and take as far as I can tell.
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Re: Is dissatisfaction with life a personal failure or is the universe to blame? [Re: circastes]
#19103223 - 11/07/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Becoming an adult and having responsibilities is not very fun but it can be. Everyone wishes they could live in the blissful ignorance of childhood. Getting old sucks. I don't know many people that are "satisfied" with life but the ones that are work hard and accept their circumstances. It all fluctuates tho, happy sad satisfaction dissatisfaction. General unhappiness in the western world today seems to be pretty common these days, some people just don't have the balls to say anything. I blamed my problems on the universe for a long time but that never actually helped me. I just accept the only thing i can control is myself and if i'm feeling hopeless or start feeling the "don't give a fuck about anythings" creeping up i can only change what i'm going to do about it and nothing else.
I don't know you so i can't offer any advice except share my own experiences with the EXACT same feeling. The life is suffering concept in Buddhism you talked about says that suffering comes from your attachment to material objects, not that life its self is suffering.
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