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Drunk3n Duck
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first try at pans :D
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well to be honest i tried pans once before but the jar contamed  anyways i got another 2 jars started up and they seemed to colonize nicely. i mixed them with 2lb of poo/coir/verm at about a 2in substrate depth 6 days ago and covered in foil. i peeked in under the foil and things look good to me , what do yall think?
 how should i go about casing this is my main question. should i case now and leave covered until mycelium begins to break through casing, or late case? and do i need to mix some casing or will sterilized verm be ok?
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Looking good! Correct me if I am wrong as I know nothing about pans, but, it looks a bit dry?
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Thadeous]
#19087746 - 11/04/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lookin good.. I have some colonizing in a rye grain substrate bag. And I'm not too sire how I should continue once fully colonized.. any tips?
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
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NiNJa420 said: Lookin good.. I have some colonizing in a rye grain substrate bag. And I'm not too sire how I should continue once fully colonized.. any tips?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12716373#12716373
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19087870 - 11/04/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe casing as soon as 100% is acheived is best. And i recomend a properly pasturiezed 50/50 casing.
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We'll my main question is. Can I get by without casing it and just using the same pf tek as with my cubes? And if I Must case can I do so without the manure. Not really wanting that smell wafting around.. I know I've read people doing without but am unsure of the success or potential loss of yield benefits
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19088077 - 11/04/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no you dont have to case... also giggle casing with 50/50 is not even a casing anymore... casing has to have little to no nutrients. its unneeded and doesn't even effect yield.. there have been experiments showing it helps the micro-environment right above the sub but not by much.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: silverstem]
#19088134 - 11/05/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thot you needed to case pans. And by 50/50 casing, I mean t verm/jiffy mix. Fairly non nutrious. Ime
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lol wow i need to read a little more... i just realized hes growing cyans and not cubes... im an idiot. i apologize yea u may need to case.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: silverstem]
#19089091 - 11/05/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 - You do have to case. Pure verm will work, 50/50+ casing will do you better.
2 - You have to use manure. There won't be any smell wafting around if you find the right stuff.
3 - If you can't answer these for yourself, you don't need to be thinking about making substitutions in the TEK.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19089201 - 11/05/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must case with pans, you could use something with 0% nutrients or you can add a layer of wet poo/straw.
Wet poo/straw will take longer because the mycelium will eat it and then you will get overlay.
Only do the poo/straw if you are worried about it having enough nutes.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: You must case with pans, you could use something with 0% nutrients or you can add a layer of wet poo/straw.
Wet poo/straw will take longer because the mycelium will eat it and then you will get overlay.
Only do the poo/straw if you are worried about it having enough nutes.

Manure is not a casing material. Ever.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19089285 - 11/05/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did not say it was a casing, only that he could use it to transfer and lock in moisture and add nutes.
I also gave the negative side effects of doing such a thing.
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/05/13 09:57 AM)
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NiNJa420
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So I'm obviously going to case now, but I'm getting mixed results.. I was thinking coir and verm 50/50 will that be sufficient enough?
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19089604 - 11/05/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Go with 100% verm or verm/peat/crushed oyster shells. imo
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19089833 - 11/05/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NiNJa420 said: So I'm obviously going to case now, but I'm getting mixed results.. I was thinking coir and verm 50/50 will that be sufficient enough?
Coir is nutrious, you want a non nutrious casing, thus you should NOT use coir as a casing. Go with straight verm or a 50/50 of verm and Jiffy Mix or the peat verm mix stated above.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: you will get overlay.

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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. 
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon. RR
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RogerRabbit said: I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay. RR
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RogerRabbit said: By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177
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RogerRabbit said: I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279
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RogerRabbit said: Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized. Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: PussyFart]
#19089950 - 11/05/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see now that overlay is not what I thought is was.
I thought it was patchy mycelium that broke through the casing.
I notice when people try to case with coir or straw, the mycelium does not have time to colonize it to 100% before fruiting and creates a crappy pinset.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I notice when people try to case with coir or straw, the mycelium does not have time to colonize it to 100% before fruiting and creates a crappy pinset.
Coir and straw are not casing layer materials, they are bulk substrate materials.
A casing layer has little to no nutrients, and gets applied to a bulk substrate after 100% colonization.
The layer of coir you apply over the exposed grains at the time of spawning is NOT a casing layer, and it should fully colonize.
Pinning before 100% usually points to a contaminated substrate.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Thadeous]
#19090127 - 11/05/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thadeous said: Looking good! Correct me if I am wrong as I know nothing about pans, but, it looks a bit dry?
yea i think its a little dry as well i think the loose foil lid might have been the culprit since the fan is on for my monos what could i do about this, mist lightly? and i am still wondering on when i should case and i think i will just go with a straight verm casing that way i dont have to go buy peat moss. or if miracle grow potting mix is ok i could mix that with verm.(just tring to use whats on hand since i just paid rent)
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Okay so once my rye spawn bag is fully colonized I'm thinking I'll just throw it in a clear Tupperware and mix in jiffy and then an inch casing layer on the top and put it in my fc with my cubes will that be fine?
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19093206 - 11/05/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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u dont mix it with jiffy mix... u mix jiffy mix and verm to add as a casing layer. an inch casing layer is way to deep u want something more like a 1/4 inch at max i would say. if u haven't grown cubes in bulk then u might wanna wait on pans and plz stop trying to thread jack me. thanks
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OP I would go ahead a case that tray now and fruit it a few days later.
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Sorry bro not trying to thread jack.. didnt know that was a thing. I'm just new to this and I'm kinda goin all in. Got 16 cubes started half Chilean half malaysian and then the rye spawn of pan and I'm hoping to be successful, but I'll step down and let you do your thing
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19095156 - 11/06/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ninja, just start your own thread for peeps to follow
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: tripluv]
#19095419 - 11/06/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ok so should i mix verm and miracle grow potting mix or just straight verm? if using straight verm should i just throw it on a sheet pan and throw it in the oven for an hour(what ive done in past for rolling cakes)?
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Who the hell told you to use potting mix?
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You can nuke it, but that isn't very controlled.
But I can't see that mattering because there is no mold fighting microbes in verm like there is in horse poo. so pasteurization is unnecessary.
Just do not keep it in too long.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: You can nuke it, but that isn't very controlled.
Microwave ovens neither sterilize or pasteurize.
They are useless in this hobby, unless you get hungry......
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: PussyFart]
#19095515 - 11/06/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess use your pressure cooker then
I guess that is the only thing that will make sure you do not have to deal with mold spores in your verm.
I'm sure a microwave is good for bacteria though, above poster is right though, do not nuke.
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For your casing layer, either use pure verm at field capacity, 50/50+ or Jiffy Mix.
If you do 50/50+, it's 1:1 verm:sphagnum peat moss plus a little lime and gypsum, or at the very least lime. Do not use peat moss without lime. It's way too acidic and will contam.
Jiffy Mix is the seed starter mix you can buy anywhere.
Pure verm works if it's all you have.
Whatever you use, it HAS to be pasteurized. Not sterilized. And definitely don't just hydrate it and use it, even pure verm. The oven isn't a proper way to pasteurize. Check out RR's video or FrankHorrigan's pasteurization writeup.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Why would you pasteurize verm vs sterilized?
I can see horse poo because it has useful microbes, and I have seen coir pasteurized with success. But seems pointless to not sterilize verm to me.
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Re: first try at pans :D *DELETED* [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Rubestoad]
#19095654 - 11/06/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rubestoad said: Pasturizing leaves some beneficial bacteria that stops mold spores from getting ahold of it. Or something like that
That's only true with horse poo?
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Because it leaves beneficial bacteria. That's not only true with horse poo. Where do you think those bacteria come from in the first place? They don't spontaneously come to life only in manure. They're spread through the air, which your verm has touched.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19095694 - 11/06/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no bacteria or virus can live on dry surfaces with a humidity of less than 10 percent.
Spores can.
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So can endospores.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19095864 - 11/06/13 03:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea that's right, botulism spores ect.
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Hence why we pasteurize. Spores can't germinate on a pasteurized substrate. At least not most spores, and not easily. They germinate very easily on a sterilized substrate.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19095924 - 11/06/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: Who the hell told you to use potting mix?
no one which is why i asked in regards to it be a substitute for jiffy mix. and when i said to put the verm in the oven it was to sterilize it i wasnt aware that straight verm should be pasteurized. thanks! so i will hydrate it to field capacity and pasteurize it which works cuz i am about to pasteurize some coir anyways
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19095943 - 11/06/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it because of competing micro-organisms that they can't colonize pasteurized substrate as easy as sterilized?
I know we sterilize our jars because it makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize before anything else has a chance.
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I think the pasteurization tek is
Put material in ziptop bags put the bags in a betty crocker roaster with zip part of bag not submerged, set at 140F-150F for 4 hours. You can test internal temp with a meat thermometer.
I could not imagine doing it on the stove top as temperature is important and I do not have a pot wide enough to fit that much sub. Not to mention keeping temp.
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/06/13 03:28 PM)
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Here is franks writeup on pasturizing. Always worked well for me.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
Truth be told, all of Franks writeups work wonderfully. I suppose thats why he has a TC tag.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: Is it because of competing micro-organisms that they can't colonize pasteurized substrate as easy as sterilized?
Pretty much, yeah.
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I know we sterilize our jars because it makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize before anything else has a chance.
We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.
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You gotta control the temp of the water as well as the internal temp of the sub.
That is why a heat controlled roaster is best imo.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: You gotta control the temp of the water as well as the internal temp of the sub.
No you don't. The internal temp is the only thing that matters. The outside of the substrate container will almost always be higher than pasteurization temperature, which is fine.
You should really stop giving advice, dude.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19096093 - 11/06/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.
That is untrue, botulism for example can be brought to life in a "sterile" can of food by being bumped around.
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We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.
That is untrue, botulism for example can be brought to life in a "sterile" can of food by being bumped around.
OMG....please just stop.....
If there is ANYTHING else growing in your jars besides the clean mycellium culture, you fucked up somewhere...period.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
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36fuckin5 said: The outside of the substrate container will almost always be higher than pasteurization temperature, which is fine.
Than why pasteurize in the first place? why control the temp at all?
it just so happens that any substrate that goes over that temp is beyond "pasteurized", which is almost immediately after you put it in your boiling cauldron.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Cans of food aren't sterile, only pasteurized.Quote:
36fuckin5 said: You should really stop giving advice, dude.
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botulinum spores are relatively heat resistant and may survive the sterilizing as well as a whole host of other nastiness.
I agree that if you have growth other than mycelium that you introduced it after sterilization. That does not mean that it is completely sterile.
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btw no need to get mean, I learn allot on this site by being corrected.
I love to be corrected because it helps me learn.. im going to stop arguing on this guys thread
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Actually you're half wrong.. the only can foods that get pasteurized are dairy and meat products. The rest are sterilized by steam. I work for a canning company I think I'd know a little more than your unfactual assumption. You should take your own advice and stop giving it if you don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
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NiNJa420 said: Actually you're half wrong.. the only can foods that get pasteurized are dairy and meat products. The rest are sterilized by steam. I work for a canning company I think I'd know a little more than your unfactual assumption. You should take your own advice and stop giving it if you don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: JMcDoogle]
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OP, any news on your pans?
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Hopefully he cased. Lmao
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OP, any news on your pans?
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I plan to try these after I get a hang of my cubes
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im casing them today, i pasteurized last night and everything is cooling still. ill update when i have something to share
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What'd you use as casing material? You buffer the PH with hydrated lime or oyster shell lime? Or'd you use pre-limed jiffy mix?
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I think he used 100% verm
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just straight verm. i had it already lol
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Drunk3n Duck said: just straight verm. i had it already lol
That's fine just do not press it down, leave it as airy and fluffy as possible.
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RogerRabbit said: I wouldn't and this is why: Sterilzation only gives a 'window of opportunity' and is never complete. If you g2g with uncolonized grains, those uncolonized kernels might sit for another two weeks in the receiving jar before the mycelium gets to them, thus they're outside their window, and more likely to contaminate.
Let the jars fully colonize. Being in a hurry never benefits mycology. RR
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it contamed i buried it
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Sorry to hear that. Do you know why?
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
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there was cobweb and green mold and no i dont o well ill try again. im gonna wait to see if any pop up where i buried it to clone first though cuz ive had lots of cubes popin up in the burial site lately but we did just get a cold front so its doubtful.
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