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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19095943 - 11/06/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is it because of competing micro-organisms that they can't colonize pasteurized substrate as easy as sterilized?
I know we sterilize our jars because it makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize before anything else has a chance.
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MUSH HEAD420
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I think the pasteurization tek is
Put material in ziptop bags put the bags in a betty crocker roaster with zip part of bag not submerged, set at 140F-150F for 4 hours. You can test internal temp with a meat thermometer.
I could not imagine doing it on the stove top as temperature is important and I do not have a pot wide enough to fit that much sub. Not to mention keeping temp.
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/06/13 03:28 PM)
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Here is franks writeup on pasturizing. Always worked well for me.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844
Truth be told, all of Franks writeups work wonderfully. I suppose thats why he has a TC tag.
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Edited by Giggle_Grower (11/06/13 03:45 PM)
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36fuckin5
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MUSH HEAD420 said: Is it because of competing micro-organisms that they can't colonize pasteurized substrate as easy as sterilized?
Pretty much, yeah.
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I know we sterilize our jars because it makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize before anything else has a chance.
We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.
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MUSH HEAD420
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You gotta control the temp of the water as well as the internal temp of the sub.
That is why a heat controlled roaster is best imo.
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36fuckin5
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MUSH HEAD420 said: You gotta control the temp of the water as well as the internal temp of the sub.
No you don't. The internal temp is the only thing that matters. The outside of the substrate container will almost always be higher than pasteurization temperature, which is fine.
You should really stop giving advice, dude.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19096093 - 11/06/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said:
We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.
That is untrue, botulism for example can be brought to life in a "sterile" can of food by being bumped around.
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MUSH HEAD420 said:
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36fuckin5 said:
We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.
That is untrue, botulism for example can be brought to life in a "sterile" can of food by being bumped around.
OMG....please just stop.....
If there is ANYTHING else growing in your jars besides the clean mycellium culture, you fucked up somewhere...period.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19096117 - 11/06/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: The outside of the substrate container will almost always be higher than pasteurization temperature, which is fine.
Than why pasteurize in the first place? why control the temp at all?
it just so happens that any substrate that goes over that temp is beyond "pasteurized", which is almost immediately after you put it in your boiling cauldron.
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36fuckin5
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19096121 - 11/06/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cans of food aren't sterile, only pasteurized.Quote:
36fuckin5 said: You should really stop giving advice, dude.
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MUSH HEAD420
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botulinum spores are relatively heat resistant and may survive the sterilizing as well as a whole host of other nastiness.
I agree that if you have growth other than mycelium that you introduced it after sterilization. That does not mean that it is completely sterile.
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btw no need to get mean, I learn allot on this site by being corrected.
I love to be corrected because it helps me learn.. im going to stop arguing on this guys thread
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/06/13 04:06 PM)
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Edited by Giggle_Grower (11/06/13 04:16 PM)
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19097144 - 11/06/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually you're half wrong.. the only can foods that get pasteurized are dairy and meat products. The rest are sterilized by steam. I work for a canning company I think I'd know a little more than your unfactual assumption. You should take your own advice and stop giving it if you don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19097458 - 11/06/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NiNJa420 said: Actually you're half wrong.. the only can foods that get pasteurized are dairy and meat products. The rest are sterilized by steam. I work for a canning company I think I'd know a little more than your unfactual assumption. You should take your own advice and stop giving it if you don't know what you're talking about.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19098646 - 11/07/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OP, any news on your pans?
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Giggle_Grower
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Hopefully he cased. Lmao
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OP, any news on your pans?
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I plan to try these after I get a hang of my cubes
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im casing them today, i pasteurized last night and everything is cooling still. ill update when i have something to share
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What'd you use as casing material? You buffer the PH with hydrated lime or oyster shell lime? Or'd you use pre-limed jiffy mix?
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