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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19095943 - 11/06/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is it because of competing micro-organisms that they can't colonize  pasteurized substrate as easy as sterilized?

I know we sterilize our jars because it makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize before anything else has a chance.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19095968 - 11/06/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the pasteurization tek is

Put material in ziptop bags
put the bags in a betty crocker roaster with zip part of bag not submerged, set at 140F-150F for 4 hours. You can test internal temp with a meat thermometer.


I could not imagine doing it on the stove top as temperature is important and I do not have a pot wide enough to fit that much sub. Not to mention keeping temp.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096048 - 11/06/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here is franks writeup on pasturizing. Always worked well for me.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17246844#17246844

Truth be told, all of Franks writeups work wonderfully. I suppose thats why he has a TC tag.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096063 - 11/06/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MUSH HEAD420 said:
Is it because of competing micro-organisms that they can't colonize  pasteurized substrate as easy as sterilized?




Pretty much, yeah.

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I know we sterilize our jars because it makes it easier for the mycelium to colonize before anything else has a chance.




We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #19096069 - 11/06/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You gotta control the temp of the water as well as the internal temp of the sub.

That is why a heat controlled roaster is best imo.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096076 - 11/06/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You gotta control the temp of the water as well as the internal temp of the sub.




No you don't. The internal temp is the only thing that matters. The outside of the substrate container will almost always be higher than pasteurization temperature, which is fine.

You should really stop giving advice, dude.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19096093 - 11/06/13 03:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.




That is untrue, botulism for example can be brought to life in a "sterile" can of food by being bumped around.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096114 - 11/06/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

36fuckin5 said:

We sterilize our jars so that NOTHING else is living in them. Then we introduce our culture, which should be the only living thing in there. If everything's done right, there's no possible way that anything but the culture you introduced could possibly be in there.




That is untrue, botulism for example can be brought to life in a "sterile" can of food by being bumped around.



:smbfacepalm:  OMG....please just stop.....

If there is ANYTHING else growing in your jars besides the clean mycellium culture, you fucked up somewhere...period.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19096117 - 11/06/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The outside of the substrate container will almost always be higher than pasteurization temperature, which is fine.





Than why pasteurize in the first place? why control the temp at all?

it just so happens that any substrate that goes over that temp is beyond "pasteurized", which is almost immediately after you put it in your boiling cauldron.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19096121 - 11/06/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cans of food aren't sterile, only pasteurized.
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36fuckin5 said:
You should really stop giving advice, dude.




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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096149 - 11/06/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

botulinum spores are relatively heat resistant and may survive the sterilizing as well as a whole host of other nastiness.

I agree that if you have growth other than mycelium that you introduced it after sterilization. That does not mean that it is completely sterile.

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btw no need to get mean, I learn allot on this site by being corrected.

I love to be corrected because it helps me learn.. im going to stop arguing on this guys thread


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19096188 - 11/06/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

. Unneeded


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #19097144 - 11/06/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Actually you're half wrong.. the only can foods that get pasteurized are dairy and meat products. The rest are sterilized by steam. I work for a canning company I think I'd know a little more than your unfactual assumption. You should take your own advice and stop giving it if you don't know what you're talking about.


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
    #19097458 - 11/06/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Actually you're half wrong.. the only can foods that get pasteurized are dairy and meat products. The rest are sterilized by steam. I work for a canning company I think I'd know a little more than your unfactual assumption. You should take your own advice and stop giving it if you don't know what you're talking about.





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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19098646 - 11/07/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:tongue:
OP, any news on your pans?


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: frostbrewed]
    #19098889 - 11/07/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hopefully he cased. Lmao


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: frostbrewed]
    #19099258 - 11/07/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OP, any news on your pans?




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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Midnight Cyclone]
    #19099272 - 11/07/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I plan to try these after I get a hang of my cubes :smile:


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: DarkPassenger]
    #19100525 - 11/07/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

im casing them today, i pasteurized last night and everything is cooling still. ill update when i have something to share :grin:


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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Drunk3n Duck]
    #19101036 - 11/07/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What'd you use as casing material? You buffer the PH with hydrated lime or oyster shell lime? Or'd you use pre-limed jiffy mix?


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