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Drunk3n Duck
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first try at pans :D
#19087173 - 11/04/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well to be honest i tried pans once before but the jar contamed  anyways i got another 2 jars started up and they seemed to colonize nicely. i mixed them with 2lb of poo/coir/verm at about a 2in substrate depth 6 days ago and covered in foil. i peeked in under the foil and things look good to me , what do yall think?
 how should i go about casing this is my main question. should i case now and leave covered until mycelium begins to break through casing, or late case? and do i need to mix some casing or will sterilized verm be ok?
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Thadeous
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Looking good! Correct me if I am wrong as I know nothing about pans, but, it looks a bit dry?
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NiNJa420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Thadeous]
#19087746 - 11/04/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lookin good.. I have some colonizing in a rye grain substrate bag. And I'm not too sire how I should continue once fully colonized.. any tips?
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19087864 - 11/04/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NiNJa420 said: Lookin good.. I have some colonizing in a rye grain substrate bag. And I'm not too sire how I should continue once fully colonized.. any tips?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/12716373#12716373
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Giggle_Grower
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19087870 - 11/04/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe casing as soon as 100% is acheived is best. And i recomend a properly pasturiezed 50/50 casing.
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NiNJa420
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We'll my main question is. Can I get by without casing it and just using the same pf tek as with my cubes? And if I Must case can I do so without the manure. Not really wanting that smell wafting around.. I know I've read people doing without but am unsure of the success or potential loss of yield benefits
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19088077 - 11/04/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no you dont have to case... also giggle casing with 50/50 is not even a casing anymore... casing has to have little to no nutrients. its unneeded and doesn't even effect yield.. there have been experiments showing it helps the micro-environment right above the sub but not by much.
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Giggle_Grower
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: silverstem]
#19088134 - 11/05/13 12:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thot you needed to case pans. And by 50/50 casing, I mean t verm/jiffy mix. Fairly non nutrious. Ime
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silverstem
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lol wow i need to read a little more... i just realized hes growing cyans and not cubes... im an idiot. i apologize yea u may need to case.
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: silverstem]
#19089091 - 11/05/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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1 - You do have to case. Pure verm will work, 50/50+ casing will do you better.
2 - You have to use manure. There won't be any smell wafting around if you find the right stuff.
3 - If you can't answer these for yourself, you don't need to be thinking about making substitutions in the TEK.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19089201 - 11/05/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must case with pans, you could use something with 0% nutrients or you can add a layer of wet poo/straw.
Wet poo/straw will take longer because the mycelium will eat it and then you will get overlay.
Only do the poo/straw if you are worried about it having enough nutes.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: You must case with pans, you could use something with 0% nutrients or you can add a layer of wet poo/straw.
Wet poo/straw will take longer because the mycelium will eat it and then you will get overlay.
Only do the poo/straw if you are worried about it having enough nutes.

Manure is not a casing material. Ever.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19089285 - 11/05/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did not say it was a casing, only that he could use it to transfer and lock in moisture and add nutes.
I also gave the negative side effects of doing such a thing.
Edited by MUSH HEAD420 (11/05/13 09:57 AM)
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NiNJa420
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So I'm obviously going to case now, but I'm getting mixed results.. I was thinking coir and verm 50/50 will that be sufficient enough?
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19089604 - 11/05/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Go with 100% verm or verm/peat/crushed oyster shells. imo
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Giggle_Grower
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: NiNJa420]
#19089833 - 11/05/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NiNJa420 said: So I'm obviously going to case now, but I'm getting mixed results.. I was thinking coir and verm 50/50 will that be sufficient enough?
Coir is nutrious, you want a non nutrious casing, thus you should NOT use coir as a casing. Go with straight verm or a 50/50 of verm and Jiffy Mix or the peat verm mix stated above.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: you will get overlay.

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RogerRabbit said: Overlay is bullshit and most of it relates to a picture of a normal casing layer in TMC that is incorrectly labeled as overlay.
A few months ago, I 'jokingly' said I'd ban the next person who asked an overlay question and it worked . . .until now. 
What happens is one person asks about overlay, and for the next six months, every new grower thinks he has overlay.
I can guarantee you don't have it, since I've only seen it a handful of times, and I've been known to have grown a few projects in my day. Full colonization of the casing layer is not overlay. Give lots of fresh air and light, while misting a few times daily and you'll fruit soon. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9467709#9467709
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RogerRabbit said: I've seen overlay two or three times in 40 years, so I doubt seriously you are seeing it, especially on an uncased bulk substrate. It's common for new growers to mistake full colonization for overlay. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17163830#17163830
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RogerRabbit said: By definition, a bulk substrate can't get 'overlay'.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15803177#15803177
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RogerRabbit said: I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen overlay in 40 years. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13797279#13797279
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RogerRabbit said: Uncased bulk substrates should be left alone and covered until 100% colonized. Overlay is a vastly misunderstood phenomena which only affects species such as agaricus(button mushrooms) which require a casing layer.
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MUSH HEAD420
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: PussyFart]
#19089950 - 11/05/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see now that overlay is not what I thought is was.
I thought it was patchy mycelium that broke through the casing.
I notice when people try to case with coir or straw, the mycelium does not have time to colonize it to 100% before fruiting and creates a crappy pinset.
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MUSH HEAD420 said: I notice when people try to case with coir or straw, the mycelium does not have time to colonize it to 100% before fruiting and creates a crappy pinset.
Coir and straw are not casing layer materials, they are bulk substrate materials.
A casing layer has little to no nutrients, and gets applied to a bulk substrate after 100% colonization.
The layer of coir you apply over the exposed grains at the time of spawning is NOT a casing layer, and it should fully colonize.
Pinning before 100% usually points to a contaminated substrate.
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Edited by PussyFart (11/05/13 01:04 PM)
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Drunk3n Duck
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Re: first try at pans :D [Re: Thadeous]
#19090127 - 11/05/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thadeous said: Looking good! Correct me if I am wrong as I know nothing about pans, but, it looks a bit dry?
yea i think its a little dry as well i think the loose foil lid might have been the culprit since the fan is on for my monos what could i do about this, mist lightly? and i am still wondering on when i should case and i think i will just go with a straight verm casing that way i dont have to go buy peat moss. or if miracle grow potting mix is ok i could mix that with verm.(just tring to use whats on hand since i just paid rent)
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