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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086761 - 11/04/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You ninja edited...

In the CV, at least a few years ago, migrant pickers were making between 40 and 60 a day.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086771 - 11/04/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bit mystified as to how y'all can complain about how much illegals make and yet deny their economic impact.  Generally employers do not continue to pay contractless temporary workers who create less economic value than they draw in salary.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19086777 - 11/04/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"The illegals where I live get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation"

You must hire a bunch of illegals for your business if you know that as a "fact."  Why do you complain about illegals when you count on them for your profit margin?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19086784 - 11/04/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Please quote the post where someone complained about how much illegal immigrants make.  Thank you in advance


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19086794 - 11/04/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"The illegals where I live get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation"

You must hire a bunch of illegals for your business if you know that as a "fact."  Why do you complain about illegals when you count on them for your profit margin?



Dude, here's a protip:  Learn to use the reply feature.  You've posted over 2000 times.  You made this post in reply to sonamdrukpa.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19086853 - 11/04/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It the one right in between zappa's sneer and your breezy condescension.  You're welcome!


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #19086859 - 11/04/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I see...so you just made that strawman so you could tear it down.

Kudos, bro.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19086878 - 11/04/13 07:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You ninja edited...

In the CV, at least a few years ago, migrant pickers were making between 40 and 60 a day.




I didn't ninja anything of substance.  40 and 60 plus what? Lodging?  Food?  No tax?  60 cash is more than minimum wage and 40 cash is just below and over if you count lodging and transportation.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086894 - 11/04/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

plus nothing...

It isn't about what the person takes home.  It's about the cost to the employer.  Paying someone 60 a day cash is far cheaper than paying minimum wage and payroll taxes.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #19086896 - 11/04/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bit mystified as to how y'all can complain about how much illegals make and yet deny their economic impact.  Generally employers do not continue to pay contractless temporary workers who create less economic value than they draw in salary.




Huh?  Their economic impact is to depress wages.  I wasn't complaining about how much they make.  I was saying they aren't getting fucked and that a whole shitload of American citizens could be making the same money if they weren't lazy fat fucks who prefer to flip burgers.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19086917 - 11/04/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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plus nothing...

It isn't about what the person takes home.  It's about the cost to the employer.  Paying someone 60 a day cash is far cheaper than paying minimum wage and payroll taxes.



ORLY?  First of all he only has to pay half of the payroll taxes.  The other half comes out of the shmuck's check.  Second of all if the employer pays cash he doesn't get to write of the labor at all.  That means he pays taxes on the labor at his top personal or business tax rate.  His last dollar.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086931 - 11/04/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sure he can..he can issue a bunch of 1099s out to Juan Valdez.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19087127 - 11/04/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Sure he can..he can issue a bunch of 1099s out to Juan Valdez.




Ummmmmm no, he can't


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19087401 - 11/04/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Zappa never answered how he knew how much illegal immigrants cost.  I'm just going to assume that Zappa uses illegal labor while bitching about illegal immigrants just like Mitt.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: psilynut]
    #19087698 - 11/04/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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workers are a burden to City, State, and Federal budgets, the negatives vastly outweigh any of the positives.




Who will pick our oranges  for almost  to no money?  This isn't exactly a full time job . It doesn't attract white kids from the suburb . They don't apply .  If you had to offer a wage high enough to attract skilled workers who don't wanna bounce around from farm to farm living  out of a van  oj would probably cost 15 dollars a gallon instead of 6 or 7 .  This goes for everything picked with human hands .  We're the most well fed nation living off the backs of  poor migrant workers who we dont have much appreciation or respect for .
  If you push out all the migrant farm workers your gunna pay for it big time in the checkout line.





When I was a teenager, one of the main jobs in the summer was shoveling shit from cowpens or bucking bales of alfalfa.  Mostly high school kids--or yard work also. 

Now kids are taught that you needn't work--there is a great Big Teat Extended from washington DC. 

Here is a prime example of Government Horeshit:  Kids can stay on their parents insurance until age 26.  Hmmmmm......when i turned 18 I was told that I didn't have to pay anything to live at home....I just had to get a job and earn money for my own clothes, etc. 

I guess values have changed in the US.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19087908 - 11/04/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Almost no money?  By the way my answer would be you.




So?  How about surfer dude on food stamps?  How about any of several million unemployed youths inner or outer city?




I have a job that pays way more , with benefits and shit why would I do that?
Youths ? Are you talking about child labor ?
  I'm not saying you can't get  city kids from  here to go do these jobs  , you'll just have to pay them more to go live in a van in a field chasing crops to get paid by the box you fill . Which means you will pay more every time you eat  , especially if they form a union , then you will literally have to bend over at the register paying out the ass will be part of a contract.
    If we kick out all of the illegals who will stand in front of Home Depot offering dirt cheap yard work and handjobs .  Who will that line of work be returned to?

 

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Now kids are taught that you needn't work--there is a great Big Teat Extended from washington DC. 








What class is this taught in ?  Are you saying they teach kids you can not work and live below the poverty line  and they find it appealing.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: psilynut]
    #19087915 - 11/04/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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What class is this taught in ?  Are you saying they teach kids you can not work and live below the poverty line  and they find it appealing.



Kids learn by watching their parents.  When daddy is gone and mommy lives off of the government dole, kids learn that as the right way to live.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19089462 - 11/05/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Zappa never answered how he knew how much illegal immigrants cost.  I'm just going to assume that Zappa uses illegal labor while bitching about illegal immigrants just like Mitt.




Everybody in construction knows what the rate is for a day laborer around here, legal or illegal.  They cost the same.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19089959 - 11/05/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Zappa never answered how he knew how much illegal immigrants cost.  I'm just going to assume that Zappa uses illegal labor while bitching about illegal immigrants just like Mitt.




Everybody in construction knows what the rate is for a day laborer around here, legal or illegal.  They cost the same.



Bullshit, no one pays undocumented workers the same wage.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19090263 - 11/05/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Bit mystified as to how y'all can complain about how much illegals make and yet deny their economic impact.  Generally employers do not continue to pay contractless temporary workers who create less economic value than they draw in salary.




Huh?  Their economic impact is to depress wages.  I wasn't complaining about how much they make.  I was saying they aren't getting fucked and that a whole shitload of American citizens could be making the same money if they weren't lazy fat fucks who prefer to flip burgers.




Immigrant workers might depress wages.  The solution then would be to offer immediate amnesty to all immigrant workers and raise the minimum wage.


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