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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19085524 - 11/04/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I am of the opinion that you shouldn't receive a tax break for having a child. I also believe that you should only be taxed for public schools if you have children that are using that system. Those without children & those who send their children to private school should be exempt




Schools are underfunded enough as it is.  Everybody in society benefits from a robust public education system.




Benefit? You must not have grown up near me in Chicago. Their public education certianly isn't beneficial to the vast amount of people it is supposed to service. My private education? Now that was beneficial


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19085527 - 11/04/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That could very well be true, but let's get the efficiency and proficiency up to standards before we start cutting budgets.  I mean, you've got inner-city teachers buying their own supplies for class.  This is ridiculous.  When you have teachers making $20-$25k a year to be a glorified baby sitter because they're teaching to have their students pass the next standardized test, of course issues are going to arise.



I disagree.  Throwing more money at it will simply increase the amount of waste.  It won't raise the standards.  Only by biting the bullet and making drastic changes can the system be fixed.  I would implement a voucher system allowing private schools to compete for the same tax dollars.

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This reply has nothing to do with my statement. If you think people should be shot for crossing the boarder, you're a shrill, bigot, fascist.



I'm all for shooting people.  I think people should be shot if they can't spell border.






God forbid someone makes a spelling mistake on the internet, good thing we have fascists like you to clear the way for a mistake free socity. Maybe the NSA should look into you tho, all this talking of shooting people, sounds like early warning signs of a mass shooter.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085558 - 11/04/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why would the NSA care about a potential mass shooter?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19085571 - 11/04/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why would the NSA care about a potential mass shooter?



Actually, that's a great question. Maybe you're not all bad.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420] * 2
    #19085577 - 11/04/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would be willing to bet that a good 30-40% of "Americans" born in this county wouldn't be able to pass the requirements for legal immigration.




So what? 

Do you think every person should be allowed to enter and stay the in US?




If someone wants to come to this country, who am I to say they shouldn't?
Being born in a cretin place on the planet doesn't make you more important or deserving.




You know what group suffers the most when illegal low skilled citizens enter the US?  The low skilled labor that is already here, mainly black Americans.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085581 - 11/04/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good...bad...I don't trouble myself with such distinctions.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: qman]
    #19085608 - 11/04/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I would be willing to bet that a good 30-40% of "Americans" born in this county wouldn't be able to pass the requirements for legal immigration.




So what? 

Do you think every person should be allowed to enter and stay the in US?




If someone wants to come to this country, who am I to say they shouldn't?
Being born in a cretin place on the planet doesn't make you more important or deserving.




You know what group suffers the most when illegal low skilled citizens enter the US?  The low skilled labor that is already here, mainly black Americans.




Is this their fault, or the fault of employers who hire them for cheap labor? I actually realize this fact more then most, allot of work I have done in the past has since been replaced by migrant workers; however, like i said, I don't blame them. I blame the company, or management.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085628 - 11/04/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I also don't change my world views because they affect me personally. It is not moral (in my opinion) to treat others differently based on where they were born.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085665 - 11/04/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

People come here because we have a higher standard of living.  The only reason we do is because we are the top dog.  In order for the top dog to be the top dog, there has to be lots of underdogs. 

I'm all for staying top dog until most of the oil is gone...after that, it's a shit sandwich for the entire world.  In the meantime, I see limiting immigration as a way of keeping underdogs in that position so that I can continue to be one of the top dogs.

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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19085874 - 11/04/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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People come here because we have a higher standard of living.  The only reason we do is because we are the top dog.  In order for the top dog to be the top dog, there has to be lots of underdogs. 

I'm all for staying top dog until most of the oil is gone...after that, it's a shit sandwich for the entire world.  In the meantime, I see limiting immigration as a way of keeping underdogs in that position so that I can continue to be one of the top dogs.

P.S. *affect




You're out for yourself, nothing wrong with that.

I just view things differently.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: psilynut]
    #19085969 - 11/04/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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workers are a burden to City, State, and Federal budgets, the negatives vastly outweigh any of the positives.




Who will pick our oranges  for almost  to no money? 




Almost no money?  By the way my answer would be you.
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This isn't exactly a full time job . It doesn't attract white kids from the suburb . They don't apply




So?  How about surfer dude on food stamps?  How about any of several million unemployed youths inner or outer city?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19085980 - 11/04/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you saying that if labor to pick fruit becomes more expensive, the vendors will sell for the same price and eat the difference?

That's a ridiculous assumption.



Yes it is.  So is the assumption that we would have to pay more if we throw out the border jumpers and cut off all aid to those who refuse work.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085993 - 11/04/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And the tax code should reflect.  No more allowing "exceptions" for dependents.  Instead, there should be surcharges on parents' 1040 for further burdening our educational and healthcare systems.  We can fix any population shrinkage problems by incentivizing immigration, both legal and illegal, which expands the tax base and creates a net positive benefit on the economy and employment.




I think we need a clean tax code that does not reward reproduction or marriage.  I think we need to have a government that shoots border jumpers on sight.  They are a net drain on the economy and are taking your job away.




You're not a Native American, get out.




Actually I am partially descended from the Passamaquoddy tribe.  So you get out.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086002 - 11/04/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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And the tax code should reflect.  No more allowing "exceptions" for dependents.  Instead, there should be surcharges on parents' 1040 for further burdening our educational and healthcare systems.  We can fix any population shrinkage problems by incentivizing immigration, both legal and illegal, which expands the tax base and creates a net positive benefit on the economy and employment.




I think we need a clean tax code that does not reward reproduction or marriage.  I think we need to have a government that shoots border jumpers on sight.  They are a net drain on the economy and are taking your job away.




You're not a Native American, get out.




Actually I am partially descended from the Passamaquoddy tribe.  So you get out.




I'll leave, if you pay me to leave.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086049 - 11/04/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So is the assumption that we would have to pay more if we throw out the border jumpers and cut off all aid to those who refuse work.



I agree.  It's likely that labor costs will go up, but my crystal ball is no more or less accurate than random selection. 

The reality, however, is that we won't stop illegal immigration as long as we have a border with Mexico and Mexico's economy is what it is...


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19086295 - 11/04/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So is the assumption that we would have to pay more if we throw out the border jumpers and cut off all aid to those who refuse work.



I agree.  It's likely that labor costs will go up, but my crystal ball is no more or less accurate than random selection.


  The illegals where I live get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation
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The reality, however, is that we won't stop illegal immigration as long as we have a border with Mexico and Mexico's economy is what it is...



The reality, however, is that we can't stop murder as long as there are people.  There are very few Mexican illegals where I live.  Mexico is not the only problem.  I also speak to Eastern Europe and all of South America.  Also Western Europe.  The cheats come form everywhere.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086657 - 11/04/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The illegals where I live get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation


Yeah, but you don't live in the central valley of California, either.
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The reality, however, is that we can't stop murder as long as there are people.  There are very few Mexican illegals where I live.  Mexico is not the only problem.  I also speak to Eastern Europe and all of South America.  Also Western Europe.  The cheats come form everywhere.



Most come through Mexico, however.  If Mexico's economy were better, a large portion would not come to America.  We CAN secure the borders at ports...securing them at a line in the sand is much, much harder.


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19086684 - 11/04/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The illegals where I live get paid $100 a day plus lunch and transportation


Yeah, but you don't live in the central valley of California, either.


What do they get paid there?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086695 - 11/04/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've no idea why you don't live in the central valley of California, dude...why would you ask me that?


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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
    #19086716 - 11/04/13 06:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You seemed to pretend to know.  I know what they get paid here.  If you don't know what they get paid in the Central Valley you should probably not mention it in a discussion about border jumping scum.


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