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Why non-materialists are cuckoo
#19085518 - 11/04/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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They frequently chide materialists for being stuck in the five senses, but here is the dealio:
If the non-materialist can actually detect another realm then it is obviously interacting with this one - hence it is material.
However the non-materialist generally 'interacts' with the alleged non-material realm through emotion, feeling, the third eye, imagination, and/or intuition. None of these 'methods' have any known reliability nor do non-materialists describe the non-material realm in any way as to paint a consensual picture; nor has any verifiable real world knowledge ever been gained by such methods.

Case closed!
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the only thing i know is that being overly materialistic is what is causing many wars and destructive events
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Nice way to confuse consumerism with philosophical materialism.
I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.
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Your nose has bulbed. Cut back on the booze.
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Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: Icelander]
#19085613 - 11/04/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.
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my point still stands
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OrgoneConclusion said: I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.
I never noticed you had stopped.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: I will go back to making joke threads as it is almost impossible to have a real discussion.
Well there you go, you're having a discussion that lacks substance. The proof was here all along.
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Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: Rahz]
#19085680 - 11/04/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i like cow poo said: my point still stands
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hand over teh marihuanas and no1 gets hurt
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"We get hurt when you pick us!"
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Quote:
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"We get hurt when you pick us!"
You lined them up You tied them down You cut them You burned them You you you Why is it Always about You
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said: They frequently chide materialists for being stuck in the five senses, but here is the dealio:
If the non-materialist can actually detect another realm then it is obviously interacting with this one - hence it is material.
However the non-materialist generally 'interacts' with the alleged non-material realm through emotion, feeling, the third eye, imagination, and/or intuition. None of these 'methods' have any known reliability nor do non-materialists describe the non-material realm in any way as to paint a consensual picture; nor has any verifiable real world knowledge ever been gained by such methods.

Case closed!
I don't think just because something can interact with you, it is necessarily interacting with the world in an objective and measurable manner through independent and verifiable source. Otherwise there would be no such thing as subjectivity, because everything could be determined objectively, yet not everything has been determined objectively . . . .
I mean just think about all the things that we can't detect with 5 of our senses that has been said to exist through inductive reasoning or other instrumentation. Would it be correct to say that those things didn't exist until evidence was provided of the existence or what it existing all along but immeasurable?
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Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: teknix]
#19088281 - 11/05/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You Kant measure something without changing it.
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Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19094762 - 11/06/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I disagree. Material science will not even acknowledge what cannot be physically measured, but I contest that it does not mean that it is not there. What about the great Francis Crick? Could one contend that his altered state of consciousness have led him to realize, or receive an information download as some may say, of the double helix?
I'm just not convinced.
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I don't think there can be a logical, or at least scientifically logical argument against materialism. I'd love to see one, but ultimately you cannot prove non materialistic phenomena because such things cannot be measured (if they even exist at all).
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but ultimately you cannot prove non materialistic phenomena
What about schizophrenics? If they see a smiley right next to this instead of the question mark:?
If a group is able to demonstrate the truth or existence of (something) by evidence or argument the rest don't see, have they proven it or not?
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Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: liquidlounge]
#19096454 - 11/06/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think there can be a logical, or at least scientifically logical argument against materialism. I'd love to see one, but ultimately you cannot prove non materialistic phenomena because such things cannot be measured (if they even exist at all).
This isn't true at all. There are many logical arguments against materialism, Idealism vs materialism is an age old debate. Counter to common belief materialism isn't an obvious fact.
In fact you have it backwards. Idealism cannot be denied whereas materialism cannot be proven. Maybe shocking but it is true.
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Re: Why non-materialists are cuckoo [Re: soldatheero]
#19096582 - 11/06/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Please don't address me, click "quick reply" on jimiandtheshroom27's post and then write your post or simply quote him.
In regards to your post:
materialism cannot be proven.
How is this not a smiley: ?
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