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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19085255 - 11/04/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Cutting food stamps for veterans... Who are you calling freeloaders again?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085277 - 11/04/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement.  I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."




But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier  social circles think of me

Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?

I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.

I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course





I don't deny that there are unproductive people in society, I do not however share your opinion that they are "filth."

Growing up in a working poor household, where my parents never took a dime in handouts either, it always shocked me when they would use terms like "trash" or "filth."  I do not think that using words like that, or Zappa's favorite "bum" is ever appropriate.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19085290 - 11/04/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Uh... When did i ever call them filth? I do believe I've always been in favor of welfare programs, and expressed that quiet openly on this form. Maybe you just meant to reply to someone else?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085322 - 11/04/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wasn't replying to you, sorry, I added a quote.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19085437 - 11/04/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement.  I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."




But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier  social circles think of me

Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?

I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.

I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course





I don't deny that there are unproductive people in society, I do not however share your opinion that they are "filth."

Growing up in a working poor household, where my parents never took a dime in handouts either, it always shocked me when they would use terms like "trash" or "filth."  I do not think that using words like that, or Zappa's favorite "bum" is ever appropriate.




I view them as filth, trash, bums. I come from a working class family. Only poor by very spoiled American standards (we were indeed wealthy by the standards of human history). My father made a better life for all of us, I improved that vastly for my 2 young children. Our success wasn't created by government handouts. People that can't make it in this country are pathetic. It is the most prosperous society in the history of mankind. It takes no silver spoon in your mouth or magic wand in your hand to make a decent living for yourself here. Let these filth go to sub Sahara Africa (you know where people face a real lack of oppurtunity) and complain about their problems, see how much sympathy they get. No empathy, no sympathy, because they are pathetic


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19085468 - 11/04/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement.  I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."




But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier  social circles think of me

Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?

I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.

I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course





I don't deny that there are unproductive people in society, I do not however share your opinion that they are "filth."

Growing up in a working poor household, where my parents never took a dime in handouts either, it always shocked me when they would use terms like "trash" or "filth."  I do not think that using words like that, or Zappa's favorite "bum" is ever appropriate.




I view them as filth, trash, bums. I come from a working class family. Only poor by very spoiled American standards (we were indeed wealthy by the standards of human history). My father made a better life for all of us, I improved that vastly for my 2 young children. Our success wasn't created by government handouts. People that can't make it in this country are pathetic. It is the most prosperous society in the history of mankind. It takes no silver spoon in your mouth or magic wand in your hand to make a decent living for yourself here. Let these filth go to sub Sahara Africa and complain about their lack of opportunity, see how much sympathy they get. No empathy, no sympathy, because they are pathetic




So you think the Veterans who rely on welfare are filth, trash, and parasites? What about people with disabilities who physically can not work, much less get hired? What about people with felonies on their record due to drug use (don't forget where you are) who can't get a job that pays better then minimum wage? Maybe you're unaware that someone working full time on minimum wage, does not make a fraction of the cost of living in most cities.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19085621 - 11/04/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"So you think the Veterans who rely on welfare are filth, trash, and parasites?"

I am a veteran. Never meet a fellow Vet on the titt, but for those that are I hold them to no different standards for them then I do the rest of the population. What you're attempting here is called a plea to emotion

"What about people with disabilities who physically can not work, much less get hired?"

Disability benefits are not welfare

"What about people with felonies on their record due to drug use (don't forget where you are) who can't get a job that pays better then minimum wage?"

I don't support drug prohibition. That being said, we all know the rules of the game we're playing. Their Problems and misfortunes should not translate into other peoples problems and misfortune. If you don't want to damage your prospecs of a good career don't get caught committing felonies

"Maybe you're unaware that someone working full time on minimum wage, does not make a fraction of the cost of living in most cities."

No one is forcing anyone to be a minimum wage loser. Those types of jobs are intended for high school students not as career choices.

Better yourself! Yes in the wealthiest society ever known to man it is possible. Anything said to the contrary is just pouting by failures


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19085860 - 11/04/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If you vote for a republican or a democrat you support social welfare programs too, by proxy of elected representatives.




Ludicrous.

I neither support nor condone all the votes my representatives make. I make sure they hear from me when that happens.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19085944 - 11/04/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Some of the hardest people hit by these food stamp cuts will be active duty military, their families, and veterans.

I honestly don't know how you could be a veteran, and call your fellow soldiers parasites after they have gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country, sometimes returning without limbs, and a great majority suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) which can make living a normal life almost impossible. Do you even realize that there are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans in this country? 

Food Stamps: Military Families Redeem $100 Million A Year In SNAP Benefits
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/food-stamps-military_n_3462465.html

Homeless Veterans
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.html


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19086313 - 11/04/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society




Yeah, maybe we should just round up all the "unproductive filth" and exterminate them.  Who knows, maybe you would be included.



Feel free to fund any bums you like.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19086335 - 11/04/13 05:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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So you think the Veterans who rely on welfare are filth, trash, and parasites?


Veterans are taken care of.
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What about people with disabilities who physically can not work, much less get hired?


  They should be required to do what they can
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What about people with felonies on their record due to drug use (don't forget where you are) who can't get a job that pays better then minimum wage?


  I don't care and I know where I am.
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Maybe you're unaware that someone working full time on minimum wage, does not make a fraction of the cost of living in most cities.



I'm pretty sure it is above the poverty level for an individual in every state


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086352 - 11/04/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You must be delusional.

There are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans. 
They're not taken care of.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19086451 - 11/04/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You must be delusional.

There are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans. 
They're not taken care of.



ORLY?  They are taken care of better than the general population


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086587 - 11/04/13 06:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You must be delusional.

There are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans. 
They're not taken care of.



ORLY?  They are taken care of better than the general population




You're right, they get goverment funded health care.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
    #19086616 - 11/04/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Not that that is very good they also get the GI Bill


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19086751 - 11/04/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That is all very wonderful and I'm not going to fisk it again.  I am going to ask a simple question.  Why shouldn't the bums sucking from the tit be required to perform some work for their milk?



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How is "Why can't the bums do some work for their bennies." a stupid question?




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That is all very wonderful and I'm not going to fisk it again.  I am going to ask a simple question.  Why shouldn't the bums sucking from the tit be required to perform some work for their milk?




Because this isn't some employer-employee situation.  Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children, and to stimulate the economy, not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.




Oh look, I answer your question and you come back pretending nothing happened.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19086764 - 11/04/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Zappa claims veterans are taken care of... :rolleyes:, obviously he hasn't been watching the news the past 5-6 years.  Even his favorite right-wing hate blogs and Fox News have had investigations on why veterans aren't getting the benefits they were promised (but of course, those ones blame it on OBAMA).


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
    #19086850 - 11/04/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Because this isn't some employer-employee situation. 


  Irrelevant to the question
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Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children,


  I will set aside that I do not believe those should be government goals you are still a long way from answering my question.  If you want welfare you should work for it.
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and to stimulate the economy,




Giving money to shitheads who don't produce is not stimulating the economy.  Maybe you think smashing windows is stimulative.
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not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.




Really?  Here's my lesson of morality in public policy.  Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself.  If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech.  I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site.  That, my friend, is freedom.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19086862 - 11/04/13 07:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Zappa claims veterans are taken care of... :rolleyes:, obviously he hasn't been watching the news the past 5-6 years.  Even his favorite right-wing hate blogs and Fox News have had investigations on why veterans aren't getting the benefits they were promised (but of course, those ones blame it on OBAMA).




They have a VA:shrug:  Tell me why, if the government can't handle the health care of a limited group, you would expect that they can handle the health care of a much larger group.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19086890 - 11/04/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Because this isn't some employer-employee situation. 


  Irrelevant to the question




No, that's the whole point.  You're imagining the food stamp program to be something it isn't.

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Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children,


  I will set aside that I do not believe those should be government goals you are still a long way from answering my question.  If you want welfare you should work for it.




Great, why shouldn't they be the government's goals here?  Seems to be a far nobler goal than imparting some ineffectual plan to remedy your outrage that somewhere, someone is getting something they didn't earn.

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and to stimulate the economy,




Giving money to shitheads who don't produce is not stimulating the economy.  Maybe you think smashing windows is stimulative.




Food stamp dollars get spent almost immediately.  There is no better form of economic stimulus outside of infrastructure development, which our current congress has for whatever reason decided is not a national priority.

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not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.




Really?  Here's my lesson of morality in public policy.  Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself.  If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech.  I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site.  That, my friend, is freedom.




See, why you gotta be so mad about the whole thing?  Unfair economic redistribution is going to happen whether you want it to or not, whether through governmental, societal or familial means.  Your obsession with the unfairness of this doesn't help you in any way and has only the barest of relations with the consequences of policy decisions.


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