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Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare?
    #19085413 - 11/04/13 01:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So I've been going to church recently and I was recently introduced to a perspective I hadn't really considered before. I generally assumed religious people simply viewed psychedelics as drugs that screwed up your brain like any other drug and were therefore bad for the same reasons as any other drug. But I was talking with a guy recently who is a recent Christian convert who used to take psychedelics (as recently as 11 months ago) and he told me he believes that psychedelics are intentional spiritual warfare- that they are intended by negative/demonic forces to distract the user from a genuine relationship from God by giving the user a false feeling that he or she is connected with God, and that they can even enable demonic forces to have temporary power over material things. It sounds crazy I know, and he admitted it sounds crazy, but whatever. Life is crazy.

He related to me a story involving 25i-nBOME in which one of his friends had a completely ego death. He said he was staring into a fire while his friend was naked and babbling incoherently in nonlanguage and become violent. He said he saw a vision of a demon rising out of the fire and pointing at his friend and he looked at his friend and his friend had lost all human resemblance and had the eyes of the demon. He says that another friend became worried about this individual being near the fire and so he put the fire out, and then immediately after the individual who had been babbling in non-language for hours said very clearly in a demonic tone, "I'll put out the fire!" and threw himself onto the coals. He said that individual was hospitalized and now has severe burns over much of the left side of his body. He says he continued to take LSD after that but within a month or so decided that his friend had been truly possessed by a demon. He believes that psychedelics do in fact open your mind but that the process of "opening one's mind" can be extremely dangerous because we don't really know what it entails- one's mind might become open to things like possession. He is now sober from all substances other than nicotine and caffeine and is a self-professed Christian. He seems very convicted and genuine and just generally like a good, honest guy who wouldn't say anything because he was looking for attention or whatever but only out of concern.

I have never experienced anything this serious but I have had some very dark experiences on psychedelics. I'm just not sure where I stand anymore. My intuition rebels strongly against atheism but my rational mind finds reasons to doubt all explanatory paradigms it encounters, whether they come from a JudeoChristian heritage, an Indian heritage, or a scientific heritage. None of them satisfies. It feels like something much bigger and much stranger than I am capable of comprehending is taking place.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #19085491 - 11/04/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i agree that things aren't as they seem. although the part about psyches and demonic forces can be debated, i can relate to similar views, not necessarily about demonic forces, but that i see far too many people who are distracted by the good side of psychedelics that they never question the bad side of them, or question the experience as a whole.

there is a bad side to psychedelics, but there is also a good side. we should always question and be aware of both sides.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #19085511 - 11/04/13 01:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if I believe that, according to the bible everything put here was done so by God, correct?

Demons can use those things against humans I guess but if God put them here in the first place then they can't be totally bad...

Dude was tripping balls nobody was possessed by a demon.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #19085519 - 11/04/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I have heard this perspective before.


they have always been used in relation to bringing people closer to evil powers and demonic influences.

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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: MHbound] * 1
    #19085526 - 11/04/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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don't know if I believe that, according to the bible everything put here was done so by God, correct?


Sure but maybe the Bible selectively omits certain things. It seems to me that there is a complex interplay of forces taking place. God admits in the Bible that he is jealous. Why would an omnipotent, omniscient God be jealous? Maybe omniscience and omnipotence were just attributed to God as relative to man but in reality "god" is just an extremely powerful being who intervened in Earth's natural evolutionary processes to allow apes to develop the vocal chords and language centers that Darwinian natural selection have such a hard time accounting for.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #19085570 - 11/04/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So "opening your mind" on psychedelics entails a possibility of a demonic force possessing you?

Yeah...................................no. That is where I draw the line of batshit crazy.

Psychedelics are just tools to the mind. It can be good or bad like any other tool.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: Uzziel]
    #19085578 - 11/04/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thats what they want you to believe bro :paranoid:


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #19085586 - 11/04/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is a mix of self fulfilling prophecies and craziness. Mushrooms are part of nature, and have nothing to do with Christianity or the bible.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: DebuteMachine]
    #19085619 - 11/04/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DebuteMachine said:
This is a mix of self fulfilling prophecies and craziness. Mushrooms are part of nature, and have nothing to do with Christianity or the bible.



that was my first thought was that he just has been raised in this southern baptist environment and these images were conjured out of his mind


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #19085836 - 11/04/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like your friend may need to lay off the sauce.  The problem with psychedelics is they are like the fabled witches ride.  Everything goes together and creates this perception of reality that is completely entirely convincing for the entirety of the trip if not beyond that.  However there is no objectivity in such experiences because it is all encompassing.  Therefore it's incredibly hard to discern what is just your own mind creating what it wants and what is actually being perceived.  Although it's a very thin line it's all your perception.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27634964 - 01/27/22 09:38 AM (2 years, 2 days ago)



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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: Kalendula] * 1
    #27635281 - 01/27/22 02:43 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

Sounds like some bullshit to me.

The Bible isn’t otherworldly and prophetic. It has some good poetry, philosophic insights, useful historical descriptions, and observances about human nature, but that doesn’t make it magical.

If there’s no afterlife, does it even matter if God exists?

Things cannot be as the seem or they can be exactly as they are. The clarity depends on your own grasp of the questions that you’re even trying to pose. You sound like you’re losing your grip.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: Black Cat]
    #27635315 - 01/27/22 03:08 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

Its a very Christian thing to assume demons are evil, demons,angels,gods,God are all different masks on the same source

If taking mushrooms as a teenager and realizing I'm a shitbag for not calling my grandmother and having intense desire to do so was the work of a demon and not God, maybe that's a demon worth working with

I think psychedelics can be a tool, I've had thoughts of buying some mushrooms and journaling the whole trip, when I'm sober going over what I wrote and checking what thoughts were unselfish, pure, worth following through with, from God, its a thing called two way prayer. See my thread in the spirituality form

Abuse though is another subject, if you are taking mind altering substances everyday and craving them its going to block you from God, when you get the message hang up the phone


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: gopher] * 1
    #27635425 - 01/27/22 05:03 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

Behold, the ancient thread has risen...

I think that visionary drugs, for lack of a better term, have played prominent roles in the Christian tradition. Early Christians likely utilised them as sacraments, and various visions and religious experiences probably came from intentional or unintentional dosing.

I think a lot of pre-christian traditions of ritual psychoactive/psychedelic use became incorporated in the early church, or just persisted in Christian societies, until the era of witch hunts and inquisitions really ramped up. Then it was largely labeled "demonic," etc. (A lot of it literally WAS witchcraft, but witchcraft wasn't always such a dirty word)

When Europeans expanded across the globe and began converting "heathens" by musket and sword, they encountered a variety of visionary traditions, many of which were fueled by various substances. Naturally, they tended to see it all as the work of the devil, or at least use that concept in their propaganda.

So,,naturally, that meme has persisted in many quarters, and also led to a milder version of "drugs are bad, mmkay?"


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: B Traven]
    #27635509 - 01/27/22 06:25 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: morrowasted]
    #27635695 - 01/27/22 09:42 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

DMT vibes get downright sinister but I don't think you can get possessed.I don't think drugs are tools of the devil, that's kinda nutty.  Lots of people in the 70s dropped acid and found god, if anything I would think psychedelics could bring you closer to god.


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Re: Psychedelics: Spiritual warfare? [Re: viraldrome]
    #27635697 - 01/27/22 09:49 PM (2 years, 1 day ago)

I get high af and pray to the darkness. Never experienced nothing except the susceptibility of my mind to suggestion.


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