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Sick/dying Bridgesii?
    #19084648 - 11/04/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey people.

A long time ago I received a cutting from a kind shrommerite. I took all of the precautions to plant it correctly and then left it on my mother's balcony since it have a lot of direct sunlight.

The other day my mom told me the cactus seemed in very bad shape. Indeed it was. Here's some pictures, if anyone can help me identifying the the cause of the disease and if there's any treatment besides cutting the top which seems only around 10cm seems okay and throw the rest away...

Also, the 'mushrooms' as someone said they were are only of the side of the cactus which had shade and there's some small black balls of whatever coming out... I think it's beyond fixing it but I don't know...

Thanks guys






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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19084735 - 11/04/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

damn. thats hella sad bro


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19084742 - 11/04/13 09:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It looks like a water problem to me.  What is it potted in?  I ask because i see a lot of soil and not much pumice/perlite/whatever.  In my opinion, of it isn't overly soft i would see if it heals.  The cactus already looks like it has faught off several infections in the past.  Finally, it looks like a bridgesii.

edit:  it also looks dehydrated.  you might pull it out before cutting and see whats going on with the roots.  i see water droplets on it and the soil looks moist.  did you water it right before you photographed?


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: verbage]
    #19084857 - 11/04/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it's been about two years so I don't really remember but I do remember using a lot of perlite with regular soil for cacti.
I can't tell if it was watered before since like I said it's not at my place.

It is a bit soft... should I wait until winter to see if it heals? Would turning the cactus around and expose the infection to the sun help? Also, what are those black thing oozing of the cactus?

Thanks.

here's my san pedro which is in much better condition so don't feel too bad rbalzer!


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19084963 - 11/04/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

your pachanoi looks great!

as for the firsat cactus... cutting it is really up to you.  I personally would repot and ride it out.  If things didn't get better i would cut. 

The black spots that are oozing should eventually heal and turn into brown patches like you see in the second photo.  The black ooze area is an infection. 

As for repotting i would get an unglazed clay pot.  It may be in one now but i can't tell.  I would get a humus rich soil and sift all the bark out then cut that with a lot of perlite.  Finally, I would add a tiny amount of garden lime for ph and some rock powder if available.  Hope it lives because it's a pretty nice cactus.

edit:  Turning it would be ok but you risk sunburn.  I wouldn't rotate more then 90 degrees.  let it sit a few weeks before turning it again.

edit for phone grammar


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: verbage]
    #19085360 - 11/04/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What you think is a torch might be bridgesii. Or almost certain it. Either w mibeay doesn't look that bad and it will most likely grow out of it. Mine did.


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: verbage]
    #19088527 - 11/05/13 03:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the advices. I will look for a better soil and repot it and I'll see.
And now that I think about it it's certainly a bridgesii as I wouldn't not have bothered to trade a peruvian.


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19089221 - 11/05/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I would chop till I dont see any rot ... k was lucky one time the rot was just in the middle I was left with a 10 inch tip and a 5 inch base.


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: tizoc4u]
    #19093859 - 11/06/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Had to look around a bit, but eventually found it: I think this is what happened to your plant.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19033460#19033460


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: LSoares]
    #19099035 - 11/07/13 05:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, this looks pretty much the same as mine. I think it's been spreading for about a year or so. So I guess I'll cut the top and see if the infected part heals.

Cheers.


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19109060 - 11/09/13 05:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Also, what about the 'thing' growing out of the cactus on the 3rd picture? Does anyone know what it?


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19109069 - 11/09/13 05:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is a root.


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #19109390 - 11/09/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

should I do anything about it? It's about 20cm from the soil.

btw it grew abour 70cm in a year and a half. I would be pretty excited about it...without this infection...


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Re: Sick/dying Peruvian Torch? [Re: damnnation]
    #19109694 - 11/09/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have find out usually these roots growing above soil level are pretty normal or they indicate root rot, root bound, too packed up soil or some another problems. At windowsill if light comes from one side, usually shady side can pup out roots.

Your cactus are suffering, it pull out roots to prepare possible falling down and therefor start growing new pups as a log.

Well that would possible happen if your plant is out there in habitat..

It's clearly visible your cactus have some problems. I have think could it be too cold and wet environment too long time and it have cause this whole problem.

I have seen similar branches later on falling down from big old trichocereus cactus plant. Some big healthy plants can have similar "bad branches" but they usually fall down and cactus pup out new offshoots from the side of it and forms roots to ground.

Once I find out similar root coming out of cactus. It was minor root rot what actually heal itself. Only major root rot cannot heal with help of cactus own immune system. But as I said the cactus suffers from something and have got issues, usually in that case they are naturally pup out roots from the side of cactus and possible prepare to falling down.

Have you kept dormancy for your cactus? I understand it's year around at that place or is it?

Can you think could there be long time wet and cold what could lead your cactus to this kind of condition? And when you have check your cactus about roots?

It's also fact that if your cactus are root bound, in long term cactus will literally die for that. But anyway, I cannot say more, just thinking some instance what could lead your cactus to that point but I suspect cold air and wet conditions as one option but I am not sure about..

How long your cactus has been in that pot?? Do your pot have drainage holes at bottom of pot? and how loose soil you have?
In worst case serious root bound and/or too packed tight soil can lead sudden deaths or problems to cactus but I don't say this can be the case. I have seen when soil is too "tight" some roots will form from the side of cactus. Sometimes they come because pot is full of roots and not all roots got water in long term. Usually bad soil cause roots coming out from the side of cactus but they can come also without no reason and always to shady side of cactus. It doesn't mean there is problem when root comes out above soil level but it can indicate problems below soil.

Too long in same pot usually cause columnar cactus to put our roots like that. Also as I said I have seen minor root rot can trigger this. Sometimes it's normal and roots form to shady side if plant have light from one direction. Still I think, could your cactus have got too cold temperature and same time water? Can you remember what kind of weather you have got when these problems occur?

I see your cactus is very dehydrated for some reason, possible not water at winter time?

I had one cactus similar condition. It grows like dehydrated and I was not aware of it have problems in roots. I don't know why roots doesn't grow properly, it was all the time very dehydrated and so on.. I think that tricho had some fungi in roots or somekind. Ribs was similar condition except very top of the cactus but when it grows, and when I touch it, it feels it doesn't got any water properly and later on I find out there was not much of roots anyway and some reason it just doesn't grow roots but still drink some water.. Compared to another trichos what was plump up and pot full of nice roots it have similar problems but my plant doesn't have that black ooze coming from it.. Yet I don't know what was the problem of that cactus I had but somehow it doesn't plump up at all even it grows and so on.. Now I have give the plant to my friend after I cut roots out and rooted it as new cutting..

Can you tell more accurate about following days when your cactus has turned to like that? when you have change pot to cactus? ..I suggest to change pot at least once in 2-3 year to prevent trichocereus develop serious root bound. More you add space to roots, more longer you can use same pot but sooner of later you need to change soil and pot for cactus. You can't grow cactus in same pot for many years without encounter problems.

I have seen another people here who have cactus plants growing in same pot many years and after long time and many years growing as root bound they suddenly just die and force lots of root from base above soil level cause soil is so full of roots.. also when they are water they feel they doesn't start to grow anyway and roots are very bad shape if they are too long in same pot.

Can your cactus have root bound and therefor it have started to cause problems to cactus? How long your plant has been in same pot?



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