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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081066 - 11/03/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?






But maybe it's because these programs exist to alleviate poverty on a broad societal level and not to validate your personal sense of butthurt that somewhere out there people are eating lobster on your reapportioned dime?  lol j/k




Gifts do not alleviate poverty.  They perpetuate poverty.  Work alleviates poverty.




Oh right.  Getting more money doesn't help the problem of not having enough money.  Forgot about that one.

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All the pregnant women I have known have worked until the last month.  Why shouldn't the bums?




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All of the women I have known went back to work within a year.  Why shouldn't the bums?




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See above vis a vis the ability of pregnant women to work.




I'm totally down for punishing parents for being lazy if that's what it takes to make sure Little Jimmy starves.  Fuck kids.

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    I mean, they smell, they make loud noises, and they won't stop asking so many goddamn questions.


  Which has not one thing to do with why they should get free food.




You are right.  Those are reasons children SHOULDN'T.

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Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.




Right.  Medicaid.

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    you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours




Walmart has managed to sucker the US Gov into subsidizing its workers' wages.  Now that's what I call capitalism!




What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?




If only Obamacare hadn't eliminated all full-time jobs. If only.

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When I went to college lots of my fellow students had jobs.  Why can't these?




No need to subsidize and thereby incentivize educational investment if in a perfect world everyone just had enough go-get-it-ness to just put down the bong and pick up a fucking job, amirite?

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Move.  There are plenty of jobs here.




How can it be that people who are poor don't have the resources to jaunt halfway across the country to where the jobs are?  Must be laziness or something.

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There is no reason why junkies and nutjobs cannot pickup trash.




There is one - I don't want any goddamn junkie hands touching my trash.  Also I sort of dislike the idea of hiring government workers to oversee arbitrary make-work programs designed to make sure the dregs of society never, ever forget that they are beholden to the whims of a gargantuan moralistic bureaucracy and the Randian superheroes who compassionately control it for the edification of all.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #19081195 - 11/03/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
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zappaisgod said:
Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?






But maybe it's because these programs exist to alleviate poverty on a broad societal level and not to validate your personal sense of butthurt that somewhere out there people are eating lobster on your reapportioned dime?  lol j/k




Gifts do not alleviate poverty.  They perpetuate poverty.  Work alleviates poverty.




Oh right.  Getting more money doesn't help the problem of not having enough money.  Forgot about that one.




Well then let's just put them on the dole forever.  That will get them out of poverty for sure:facepalm:
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All the pregnant women I have known have worked until the last month.  Why shouldn't the bums?




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All of the women I have known went back to work within a year.  Why shouldn't the bums?




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See above vis a vis the ability of pregnant women to work.




I'm totally down for punishing parents for being lazy if that's what it takes to make sure Little Jimmy starves.  Fuck kids.




How is work punishment?
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    I mean, they smell, they make loud noises, and they won't stop asking so many goddamn questions.


  Which has not one thing to do with why they should get free food.




You are right.  Those are reasons children SHOULDN'T.




If you say so.
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Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.




Right.  Medicaid.




Yeah.  So? What is your point in regards to bums not working for their benefits?
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    you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours




Walmart has managed to sucker the US Gov into subsidizing its workers' wages.  Now that's what I call capitalism!




What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?




If only Obamacare hadn't eliminated all full-time jobs. If only.




Answer the question.
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When I went to college lots of my fellow students had jobs.  Why can't these?




No need to subsidize and thereby incentivize educational investment if in a perfect world everyone just had enough go-get-it-ness to just put down the bong and pick up a fucking job, amirite?


  Lots of the same fellow students I mentioned partook of the bong.  So what?  If ypu suck from the tit you should put some work into it.  Why is this so difficult for you?
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Move.  There are plenty of jobs here.




How can it be that people who are poor don't have the resources to jaunt halfway across the country to where the jobs are?  Must be laziness or something.


  So they should stay in a shithole with no jobs?
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There is no reason why junkies and nutjobs cannot pickup trash.




There is one - I don't want any goddamn junkie hands touching my trash. 




So junkies shouldn't have any jobs?  What job is far enough from you garbage that garbage can be allowed to do?
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Also I sort of dislike the idea of hiring government workers to oversee arbitrary make-work programs designed to make sure the dregs of society never, ever forget that they are beholden to the whims of a gargantuan moralistic bureaucracy and the Randian superheroes who compassionately control it for the edification of all.




The dregs should never forget.  The rest of what you posted is incoherent drivel.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081323 - 11/03/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh right.  Getting more money doesn't help the problem of not having enough money.  Forgot about that one.




Well then let's just put them on the dole forever.  That will get them out of poverty for sure:facepalm:




Oh, have they amended SNAP to allow people to stay on it indefinitely?  My bad.

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sonamdrukpa said:I'm totally down for punishing parents for being lazy if that's what it takes to make sure Little Jimmy starves.  Fuck kids.




How is work punishment?




Call it what you like, I just want to make sure Jimmy starves if his parents are lazy.

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Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.




Right.  Medicaid.




Yeah.  So? What is your point in regards to bums not working for their benefits?




Something about the care paid for by medicaid not being adequate in all situations or something like that, but I'd rather just let this particular conversation thread die, it's not that scintillating.

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What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?




If only Obamacare hadn't eliminated all full-time jobs. If only.




Answer the question.




See, the thing about people in poverty is that they've usually had a hard time getting full-time work.  Sort of a contributing factor.

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No need to subsidize and thereby incentivize educational investment if in a perfect world everyone just had enough go-get-it-ness to just put down the bong and pick up a fucking job, amirite?


  Lots of the same fellow students I mentioned partook of the bong.  So what?  If ypu suck from the tit you should put some work into it.  Why is this so difficult for you?




Why is it so difficult for you to admit that the economic value of subsidizing educational investment and other social programs can be decoupled from cheap moralizing?

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Move.  There are plenty of jobs here.




How can it be that people who are poor don't have the resources to jaunt halfway across the country to where the jobs are?  Must be laziness or something.


  So they should stay in a shithole with no jobs?




See, the funny thing about not having any money is that you usually have no choice about the matter.

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Also I sort of dislike the idea of hiring government workers to oversee arbitrary make-work programs designed to make sure the dregs of society never, ever forget that they are beholden to the whims of a gargantuan moralistic bureaucracy and the Randian superheroes who compassionately control it for the edification of all.




The dregs should never forget.  The rest of what you posted is incoherent drivel.




I think the dregs might better be controlled with Soma and feelies, actually.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #19081459 - 11/03/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That is all very wonderful and I'm not going to fisk it again.  I am going to ask a simple question.  Why shouldn't the bums sucking from the tit be required to perform some work for their milk?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081624 - 11/03/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's just not worth it, sonamdrukpa, he will keep making up bullshit until the end of time.  Anecdotal evidence is his specialty, because it can't be proven wrong.  Logic, evidence, and facts have no bearing on these people's thought process.  They will live in their own little world where they are always right, and you are always wrong.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19081675 - 11/03/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How come you can't answer a simple question?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081822 - 11/03/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Why don't you ask a question that isn't fucking stupid?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] * 1
    #19081860 - 11/03/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How is "Why can't the bums do some work for their bennies." a stupid question?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19083121 - 11/03/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That is all very wonderful and I'm not going to fisk it again.  I am going to ask a simple question.  Why shouldn't the bums sucking from the tit be required to perform some work for their milk?




Because this isn't some employer-employee situation.  Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children, and to stimulate the economy, not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa] * 1
    #19084534 - 11/04/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's beyond moronic to think that asking someone to work for the food they eat is the same as saying fuck their children. I pay for my family's food and believe me no one is fucking my kids over besides government with massive debts from living outside of it's means

You know who else fucks over future generations?

Lazy pieces of shit that can't prioritize their responsibilities. Not even for their own offspring.

You can spout off your ridiculous plea to emotion "will somebody please think of the children!" all you want but honestly many of the worst child abusers are the fucking retards that are on the dole. They raise their children in toxic environment of stupidity and can't be bothered to get their shit together to try and provide something better for dumbshit Jr. They do that to their children. Not me, not you, not society, they do that to their children. Put blame where it belongs

The real truth is that you can't fix that problem no matter how much of an egalitarian hero you wish to appear to be. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part this generation's useless retards breed next generations useless retards regardless of how many loaves of bread you throw at them to make yourself feel better.

With little exception their children are doomed to perpetuate their pathetic existence. Would be better to thin their genetic/culturally inferiority from society. You empathy negates natural selection and the evolution of our species


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I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19084556 - 11/04/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm raising children that will become productive members of society.

You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19084842 - 11/04/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society




Yeah, maybe we should just round up all the "unproductive filth" and exterminate them.  Who knows, maybe you would be included.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19084898 - 11/04/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society




Yeah, maybe we should just round up all the "unproductive filth" and exterminate them.  Who knows, maybe you would be included.




So you can't do better then a weak strawman? You can't quote me supporting genocide or mass murder because that quote doesn't exist

So very weak.  Certainly you can do better than this


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19084958 - 11/04/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement.  I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19085030 - 11/04/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You have an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda





actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.



Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19085048 - 11/04/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement.  I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."




But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier  social circles think of me

Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?

I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.

I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19085060 - 11/04/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ellis Dee said:
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You have an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda





actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.



Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?




Ever ponder the concept that life isn't a free ride for anyone and your misfortunes shouldn't be your neighbors. Unless he willfully  wants to take them on for you that is


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19085067 - 11/04/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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Ellis Dee said:
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You have an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda





actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.



Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?




Ever ponder the concept that life isn't a free ride for anyone and your misfortunes shouldn't be your neighbors. Unless he willfully  wants to take them on for you that is




It's called charity something government aid is not


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
    #19085108 - 11/04/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Simplicitry said:
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Ellis Dee said:
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You have an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda





actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.



Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?




Ever ponder the concept that life isn't a free ride for anyone and your misfortunes shouldn't be your neighbors. Unless he willfully  wants to take them on for you that is



The majority clearly do want to share their neighbors misfortunes as they own insurance of some sort they like the idea of spreading risk. If you vote for a republican or a democrat you support social welfare programs too, by proxy of elected representatives.


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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19085175 - 11/04/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The majority clearly do want to share their neighbors misfortunes as they own insurance of some sort they like the idea of spreading risk. If you vote for a republican or a democrat you support social welfare programs too, by proxy of elected representatives.




I do not support social welfare programs anymore then I  support farm subsidies or corporate welfare. I don't know what percentage of the population does offhand.

Insurance is something entirely different. For one people pay for it, for another they do so voluntarily (at least before Obamacare :laugh2:)


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"


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