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Experiences with non-terrestrial craft?
#19083761 - 11/04/13 12:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have had many experiences with objects that I wouldn't consider to be terrestrial. Have you any stories to share fellow shroomerites? I will share mine if you'd like. Had posted in another forum but it was far too slow for my liking.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083775 - 11/04/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The fact you claim to have seen these "many" times makes me far less inclined to believe what you are seeing is an alien craft.
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#19083792 - 11/04/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quite a few actually.
Most amazing one probably when I was visiting Panama Beach with some friends. We were fishing for shark at night, and I remember we were all to scared to wade out into the water to throw the chum out very far lol but we got it in the water any ways right near da beach mon and than while fishing we see these four bright lights flying in formation. We were all looking at it (three of us) and all of us were intrigued..
We had seen this shadowy figure off in the distance in the beach just prior to that. It's just this dude or something, standing there completely still in the dark..The only reason we saw him was we saw something shuffle over there and you could see the outline of a darker figure against the black beach sky.
Well as we see the four UFOs flying, we all at the same time see this like fist sized sort of glowing thing with a face on it, jump out of the ground below us and up into the air. We sort of freak out and than we look up at the sky and notice these four lights zipping off at like warp speed.
I turn and see that the shadowy figure is gone as well, when it would have been impossible for him to disappear so quickly. 
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: LoveYourLife]
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It's anecdotal evidence sure. However it happened too many times with other witnesses that could corroborate what I saw. This also happened in very remote areas in Mexico at high elevation. No craft, I repeat, NO craft that humans could even fathom could perform these maneuvers. In one instance multiple craft were sighted high in the atmosphere that were easily the size of a ten story building. Not a single time was I under the influence of any intoxicant. These sightings are what caused me to abandon my old belief systems and cynicism regarding otherworldly sentient intelligent beings. I mean come on is it that far fetched? Given how mindbendingly large the universe is. My mexican cousins thought I was so full of shit until they had their own sighting one night when I was passed out and got intensely obsessed for the remainder of my stay. They would sit out with me many a night and shared one or two different sightings with me. One in particular blew my mind. Point of light going faster than a shooting star flew overhead, stopped on a dime, separated into two dull glowing red orbs and moved in reversed direction in a zig zag pattern. It was a very weird movement, almost in tandem with one another. What creeped me out the most was the fact they stopped only a few hundred feet above me and my cousin. Whereas this was a narrow corridor in the mountain pass and they could've stopped anywhere especially at the speed they were trucking along at.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Sober I assume? Can't imagine you could fish competently in the dark any other way. USOs quite interest me. As the only way it could be ours would be if somehow certain supercavitating technologies have been mastered. I spoke with an old deadhead who had a double sighting within a week of one another in Florida in the late 80's-90's. Didn't even notice he had missing time until I asked him if it had been much later when they arrived at home. Could have been bullshitting but it didn't sound like it.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083807 - 11/04/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I believe in Aliens 100% and I believe that they visit/have visited us. I just have a hard time believing that people see them often. I think 99% of the time there is another explanation.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083808 - 11/04/13 01:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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funny that every time an alien craft comes around the only cameras people have are grainy shitty ones.
with a huge percent of the population walking around with an HD camera in their pocket now, that seems mighty fishy
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: LoveYourLife]
#19083823 - 11/04/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Me too sir. However there are instances when you just know. The mind attempts to explain it away, and it works for a second or two. Then it strikes you that you are looking at something completely otherworldly. Your logic stumbles and you stand quite dumbfoundedly much as a monkey would at the international space station. Granted if a monkey had to the sentience to stand in awe of technological creations. Anyway you get the idea. It has something to do with the elevation, makes it much easier to see them. They like Mexico for some reason. I never see any around here in Memphis, but for some reason boy do I see a shitton down there. They have a certain feel to them, makes your stomach drop a bit when you realize. It's a very humbling and transforming experience. Unconscious as well as subconscious processes are being rendered into motion. Mostly too subtle to notice, as you continue on with your day as nothing happened.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083826 - 11/04/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: Sober I assume? Can't imagine you could fish competently in the dark any other way. USOs quite interest me. As the only way it could be ours would be if somehow certain supercavitating technologies have been mastered. I spoke with an old deadhead who had a double sighting within a week of one another in Florida in the late 80's-90's. Didn't even notice he had missing time until I asked him if it had been much later when they arrived at home. Could have been bullshitting but it didn't sound like it.
Yup we were completely sober, maybe had a drink or two. After it happened we all looked at each other to test our own sanity and than after confirmation that we'd all seen the same thing, we got a lil freaked out and took off running haha.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083829 - 11/04/13 01:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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These sightings happened over two years ago. I also hadn't the resources for such a camera at that time given my circumstances. I had a tripod with an older generation camera and attempted to get a few videos. I managed some orb like objects that appeared many times on the horizon but nothing good. I need third generation NVGs with recording capability. Then i'd be in business.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19083834 - 11/04/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not blame you. The thought of entities being able to take you and you having no say is rather unsettling. Although they'd get you anyway if they wanted. I have experienced what I would consider to be flashbacks in a very deep dream state. Woke up in a literal second in a cold sweat with the worst kind of animalistic primal fear i've ever experienced. Was a little traumatizing really. It may be worth mentioning I was on seroquel. Which is notorious for producing insane dreams. However i've never experienced a dream state like that before or since.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083841 - 11/04/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: funny that every time an alien craft comes around the only cameras people have are grainy shitty ones.
with a huge percent of the population walking around with an HD camera in their pocket now, that seems mighty fishy 
recording on a camera phone still isn't the best quality, it makes things look farther away I tried to record a UFO once and alls it really looked like on my phone was a tiny hard to make out dot of light moving and than disappearing suddenly.
Nd i've seen some pretty awesome youtube videos as of late regarding UFOs, some cool activity going on in Michigan as of late.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19083848 - 11/04/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Be careful with the jewtube mate, a lot of cgi going around. You can usually discern what is CGI and not but it's getting a lot more difficult.
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#19083850 - 11/04/13 01:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: funny that every time an alien craft comes around the only cameras people have are grainy shitty ones.
with a huge percent of the population walking around with an HD camera in their pocket now, that seems mighty fishy 
recording on a camera phone still isn't the best quality, it makes things look farther away I tried to record a UFO once and alls it really looked like on my phone was a tiny hard to make out dot of light moving and than disappearing suddenly.
Nd i've seen some pretty awesome youtube videos as of late regarding UFOs, some cool activity going on in Michigan as of late.
people claim to see UFO's closer up all the time.
all it would take is one single video 
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083867 - 11/04/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck a video. Why rely on second rate footage to do what a real life sighting could? Just keep your eyes to the sky and I guarantee you one day you will see something that puzzles you. I hate when people ask for photographic evidence as if they know it will never come. Use your eyes man!!
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083873 - 11/04/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: I do not blame you. The thought of entities being able to take you and you having no say is rather unsettling. Although they'd get you anyway if they wanted. I have experienced what I would consider to be flashbacks in a very deep dream state. Woke up in a literal second in a cold sweat with the worst kind of animalistic primal fear i've ever experienced. Was a little traumatizing really. It may be worth mentioning I was on seroquel. Which is notorious for producing insane dreams. However i've never experienced a dream state like that before or since.
I've had the same although not dreaming. I once while really high had a paranoid theory and feeling that I was being watched every night and had probably been abducted by aliens once or twice.
So I laid there with my eyes closed for a good 30-45 mins and had the idea to 'fake' REM and see what happened. So there I was erratically moving my eyeballs around with my eyes closed and within 3 seconds I start hearing all sorts of noises around my house/room and I got the fuck up, noises stopped..I felt 'the fear' but than I smiled at the fact that I tricked them (assuming there was a them, could have been a coincidence of random noises around my house iono I was high)
I've done this a few times now and more often than not, will hear some noises within 1-3 seconds. Not really sure what that could mean or means but its entertaining.
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#19083876 - 11/04/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: Fuck a video. Why rely on second rate footage to do what a real life sighting could? Just keep your eyes to the sky and I guarantee you one day you will see something that puzzles you. I hate when people ask for photographic evidence as if they know it will never come. Use your eyes man!!
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#19083879 - 11/04/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: funny that every time an alien craft comes around the only cameras people have are grainy shitty ones.
with a huge percent of the population walking around with an HD camera in their pocket now, that seems mighty fishy 
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NWlight said: funny that every time an alien craft comes around the only cameras people have are grainy shitty ones.
with a huge percent of the population walking around with an HD camera in their pocket now, that seems mighty fishy 
Nah bro alienz just always look grainy and out of focus, it's not the camera
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083882 - 11/04/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: I have experienced what I would consider to be flashbacks in a very deep dream state. Woke up in a literal second in a cold sweat with the worst kind of animalistic primal fear i've ever experienced. Was a little traumatizing really.
Hypnagogia / Sleep paralysis
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083914 - 11/04/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It boggles my mind how you cannot make the logical leap. I respect your right to say it but holy jesus are you serious? We're the only bilaterally symmetrical organisms in the Universe then hmm? That's an even more bold argument than mine. Must be fun living in such a small world.
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#19083917 - 11/04/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh my god blow it out your ass 
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083918 - 11/04/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. Hypnogogic denotes waking to sleeping. I was in REM sleep. Hypnopompic is sleeping to waking. So if anything that would have been your explanation. It was neither.
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oh my god blow it out your ass 
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083924 - 11/04/13 01:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Explain your position then. Let me guess. The FTL barrier cannot be passed. Same old argument. You guys need to come up with better. As if our experience and intelligence are infallible.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: volcomstoner]
#19083928 - 11/04/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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As of now your presence is dead weight. Care to add to the conversation? Or is intellectualism a bridge too far for you. For being on the shroomery you guys are sure close minded. I used to carry myself with a certain smugness very similar to yourself about this subject. Sad that a subject we could learn so much from is treated with such tongue in cheek disregard by most.
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#19083932 - 11/04/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The light barrier cannot be passed.
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You guys need to come up with better.
no, we really don't.
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#19083933 - 11/04/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's EXACTLY what the issue is, carry on now
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19083934 - 11/04/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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An alien craft is any craft that you are unfamiliar with. A non-terrestrial craft is any craft that does not touch the ground.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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Don't talk about semantics you know what I mean. Unidentified obviously means what it means. I said non terrestrial for a reason. Shall I say extraterrestrial then? I shied away from that term as it draws a negative connotation for obvious reasons.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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Do I really need to post all the links proving you wrong from the large hadron collider? It's well known that many sub particles routinely surpass the speed of light. Also appeal to authority. I have not done A so B is not possible. It would appear the pub was the wrong place to search for good conversation. Sucks abovetopsecret is too far off the deep end filled with schizos and wackos. What you may not realize is I am very moderate in my beliefs. They have only arisen out of the necessity to create a framework with which to classify my experiences. Not because i'm a schizotypal asshat with nothing better to do than toy with conspiracy theories. Who need I convince though? Ignorance is bliss. I simply want to compare experiences, which so far has been fruitless. What's sad is i've had better conversations on the subject in /b/ on 4chan. Which I suspect is where most of you are from.
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that experiment was flawed and the results were because of experimental error.
nothing exceeded the light barrier. try again.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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Quantum entanglement. Action at a distance. Etc. So what it requires infinite energy to sustain momentum as mass gains with speed. Isn't impossible, just incredibly difficult especially for a species at our developmental stage. Derailing the shit out of this thread. Going to attempt to desist even though this is bumping the thread.
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disconnected words.
not sentences.
etc.
is this supposed to support your point? how so?
care to first explain why your previous argument about the light barrier was full of shit and why I shouldn't assume the rest of what you say is?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19083965 - 11/04/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Manipulation of time-space.
Ever wonder why the space comes first?
fuk space-time.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html Ultimately I don't care. You can't be reasoned with as i'm sure you think I cannot. All there is to do is let you on your road and me on my own respective one. As all you can resort to is ad hominems and basically hollow arguments. Good day sir.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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We're very sure of ourselves and our place in the world. Hence why we get arguments such as these. Humans tend to think with a very empiricist attitude. Our place in the world and universe is cemented and nothing can displace it. Gets incredibly old. Is it so hard to admit we don't know everydamnthing in the universe? Yes. Also pretty sure the ignore user button is probably one of the most useful things ever invented on the internet.
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umm no we aren't and no it isn't
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
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In biology they discuss the concept of the omnidimensional hypersphere.
A dimension, any dimension, can be categorized as a part of the omnidimensional hypersphere. There's the four we all know, hight, width, depth and time (which is not a single dimension, btw) There's also weight, color, number of atoms, acidity, really just anything that can be quantified is a dimension.
In this dimension, my shirt is 50% grey. In another dimension my shirt is 51% grey. The value of the color of my shirt is a dimension, just like time and space.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: volcomstoner]
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please find an ad hominem by me in this thread.
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the photons themselves were not moving faster than the speed of light.
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no, we really don't.
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There are ways around the speed of light, lot of them in fact.
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oh my god blow it out your ass 
I don't think we are the only organisms in the universe, not by a long shot.
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There are ways around the speed of light, lot of them in fact.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NotTheDevil]
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I can imagine something that goes faster than the speed of light. The speed of light is actually very slow, since it is limited. Since it is a concept, is it fair to compare the speed of light to the concept of infinity, or does the fact that the concept of the speed of light is derived from a tangible, observable phenomenon rule that comparison out?
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it's true about the camera, i've tried catching some ufos with a good vid camera and you can barely see the dots when you zoom, sometimes you can't see them at all. i've seen a bunch ufos in the sky, sometimes they are obviously a space satellite or something, but other times they are like stars that suddenly fade in from the distant space at high speeds, almost like a shooting star, but these stars fade in and slowly hover over our atmosphere for a while then suddenly shoot back out into to space like a small comet. it's crazy..
op i've heard stories of those orbs in mexico, supposedly they are witches/brujos or some shit.. there are lots over there
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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I can imagine something that goes faster than the speed of light
but it doesn't mean that thing will exist.
the speed of light is not fast or low, it is just a rate (distance per time). fast and slow have no meaning in science.
It is also not a concept, it is a measurable phenomenon.
comparing the speed of light to infinity is not a fair comparison because the speed of light is a finite number
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There are ways around the speed of light, lot of them in fact.
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Teleportation which can be theoretically done by making a wormhole between two part of space time, or perhaps by making two parts of spacetime into one.
Faster than light travel which bends space around it to make an increase in spatial density behind the ship and a decrease in front of it causing the ship to move the space around it, and because the ship itself is not actually moving but rather is changing the space around it there is no known limit to the speed to which it can go from one place to another,
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I can imagine something that goes faster than the speed of light
but it doesn't mean that thing will exist.
the speed of light is not fast or low, it is just a rate (distance per time). fast and slow have no meaning in science.
It is also not a concept, it is a measurable phenomenon.
comparing the speed of light to infinity is not a fair comparison because the speed of light is a finite number
Is it impossible to compare a finite number to infinity? If so, what is the value of the concept of infinity?
To be clear, I meant that the speed of light can be discussed as a concept because it requires a person conceptualizing it for it to be observed.
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the speed of light, imo, and the physics contained within its limit are just that. Physics contained within the speed of light. I think its fair to say that there is a possibility that the higgs field has quite a lot to do with slowing down particles into not only matter and mass but photons to the speed of light as well.
I believe that much of the universe exists there.
Which explains the appearance of dark matter/energy.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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I can imagine something that goes faster than the speed of light
but it doesn't mean that thing will exist.
the speed of light is not fast or low, it is just a rate (distance per time). fast and slow have no meaning in science.
It is also not a concept, it is a measurable phenomenon.
comparing the speed of light to infinity is not a fair comparison because the speed of light is a finite number
Is it impossible to compare a finite number to infinity? If so, what is the value of the concept of infinity?
To be clear, I meant that the speed of light can be discussed as a concept because it requires a person conceptualizing it for it to be observed.
you can compare them. just like you can compare a TV remote to an orange.
I fail to see the value in doing so. We understand both in different contexts. they have different properties and are useful in different situations.
what is the value of the concept of infinity? mostly in understanding limits of equations that approach a value but never reach it.
the speed of light can be discussed as a concept, I do not disagree. and it doesn't require a person to conceptualize it for it to be observed.
the speed of light is the same and behaves the same whether or not there is someone there to see it and measure it.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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I believe that much of the universe exists there.
Which explains the appearance of dark matter/energy.
If the speed of light is the fastest something can go, you just have to cheat your way around it
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I can imagine something that goes faster than the speed of light
but it doesn't mean that thing will exist.
the speed of light is not fast or low, it is just a rate (distance per time). fast and slow have no meaning in science.
It is also not a concept, it is a measurable phenomenon.
comparing the speed of light to infinity is not a fair comparison because the speed of light is a finite number
Is it impossible to compare a finite number to infinity? If so, what is the value of the concept of infinity?
To be clear, I meant that the speed of light can be discussed as a concept because it requires a person conceptualizing it for it to be observed.
you can compare them. just like you can compare a TV remote to an orange.
I fail to see the value in doing so. We understand both in different contexts. they have different properties and are useful in different situations.
what is the value of the concept of infinity? mostly in understanding limits of equations that approach a value but never reach it.
the speed of light can be discussed as a concept, I do not disagree. and it doesn't require a person to conceptualize it for it to be observed.
the speed of light is the same and behaves the same whether or not there is someone there to see it and measure it.
Yes, but without the concept of speed, or light there would be no reason for a person to create a situation in which there would be the possibility of learning that there is a speed at which light travels.
In ancient Greece, the scholars of the time believed that light was projected from the eyes upon that which was being observed. They had no concept of light as we know it, and could, therefore, not even begin to try to observe the speed of light.
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There are ways around the speed of light, lot of them in fact.
go on?
Teleportation which can be theoretically done by making a wormhole between two part of space time, or perhaps by making two parts of spacetime into one.
Faster than light travel which bends space around it to make an increase in spatial density behind the ship and a decrease in front of it causing the ship to move the space around it, and because the ship itself is not actually moving but rather is changing the space around it there is no known limit to the speed to which it can go from one place to another,
this goes into reaches of physics I do not yet understand.
I mean, I get the general concept and some specifics of its basis for exploration as a possibility but have yet to master the equations governing its behavior.
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Also, with black holes..
If even light cannot escape them, wouldn't it be safe to assume that something greater than the speed of light is making that so? Gravity? Since gravity effects light like it does especially in regards to a black holes ability to eliminate it, I think gravity may be particles (of the cohesive sorts) that exist outside of the speed of light, FTL particles.
Which is why gravity is such a mystery and why it is the weakest force in the galaxy, even though one of the most obvious ones.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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Hmm the only weird thing I've seen..
Little back info, I don't believe in ghosts, but I do believe in UFO's.. not necessarily the little gray men UFO's but more like different dimensional beings.. that or bacteria growing on some rock wayy out on the other side of the universe. Never have and never will believe in ghosts.
ANYWAYS, I was 16 and just turned my lights off to go to bed. I sleep on my side, and when I cant fall asleep on one side I roll over on the other and that usually does the trick. Well no more than a minute and a half, and I swear it couldn't have been longer, I decided to try the other side since I was still wide awake. I roll over onto my left side, and immediately notice what appeared to be an aluminum birthday balloon floating about three feet high, and two feet away from me, laterally to my chest.
Immediately I just assumed it was just as I first described it as.. an aluminum birthday balloon or get well balloon (I assume you guys get the point). But this aluminum balloon was different, it had no string, was perfectly round, and had no decal of any sort on it, it was just pure metallic in color. Another interesting thing about this was you know when those actual aluminum birthday balloons start to get old after a week or so, they get all crinkley and don't float all the way to the ceiling anymore?? Well this is another reason I instantly thought it was someone from my family's old birthday balloon because it looked like an old silver birthday balloon that had been around for a couple weeks and needed to get tossed out, but again had no picture, writing or anything on it, just was one solid color. I could see it decently because I had a large alarm clock on the other side of my room that gave off green light instead of red, so the crinkly part of the balloon thing whatever it was really stands out to me.
ANYWAYS, my first immediate thought was what the fuck, who put an old birthday balloon in my room??? Just kinda annoyed that someone would put that trash in my room. Then I realized it had not been anyones birthday in over a month, and that this couldn't have been a balloon because it was just all aluminum colored and didn't even say anything. I was scared Shitless at this point, and without wasting another even fraction of a second dashed to my door to wake my dad, and as I made it to the door I made one glance back before leaving my room and it was GONE. I still woke my father and he could tell I was terrified. He checked my room and then just assumed I was having a bad dream or something.
I regret not acting differently years later now because it was close enough for me to touch if I had just sat up a little ways and reached out for it. I will reiterate that the lights had just been turned off in my room and I had just layed down no more than a minute and a half before seeing this and there is absolutely no way this could have been a dream.
Still gives me chills when I think of it, whatever it was.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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In ancient Greece, the scholars of the time believed that light was projected from the eyes upon that which was being observed. They had no concept of light as we know it, and could, therefore, not even begin to try to observe the speed of light.
OK I am now following your line of thinking.
what might it be to do with non-terrestrial craft?
merely saying them and the science governing their motion is, as of yet, not understood to us, and so foreign, in fact, that the idea "you don't know what you don't know" is particularly relevant?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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Therefore the existence of FTL travel exists, since there are more than likely TONS of particles which exist above the speed of light limit that we cannot easily observe, since we don't know how to observe what isn't observable (as they exist outside of the speed of light, the only thing we can observe) quite yet...at least not publicly any ways.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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In ancient Greece, the scholars of the time believed that light was projected from the eyes upon that which was being observed. They had no concept of light as we know it, and could, therefore, not even begin to try to observe the speed of light.
OK I am now following your line of thinking.
what might it be to do with non-terrestrial craft?
merely saying them and the science governing their motion is, as of yet, not understood to us, and so foreign, in fact, that the idea "you don't know what you don't know" is particularly relevant?
I cannot refute that which I do not understand true, true.
I'm saying that since I can conceptualize the ability of some observable thing to be able to travel faster than the speed of light, a good line of reasoning might lead someone to begin to test a hypothesis related to such a concept. Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light, or does that seem delusional?
Either way, since I can imagine something going much faster than 299,792,458m/s, the speed of light is sort of dwarfed by the infinite number of m/s I can conceptualize.
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since no one has attempted to counter me, I will assume I am right muaha and that FTL is not only possible, but happens all the time, making time possible for us here contained within the speed of light.
I'll also assume that an ET figured this out somewhere in the universe and therefore FTL travel is possible, and why we see UFOs manipulate time-space like a piece of butter..
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Constantine]
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Anyone else?
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Does it rustle your jimmies when people ask that because deep down you know you're unable to prove it ? Sounds like a typical case of I-want-to-believe
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This happened near a air base, but one time me and my family were driving through Kansas and we saw this craft that was easily flying over the speed of sound and it was about 200-300 feet off the ground and it made absolutely no noise when it passed. It was like
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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healing said: Yes, but without the concept of speed, or light there would be no reason for a person to create a situation in which there would be the possibility of learning that there is a speed at which light travels.
In ancient Greece, the scholars of the time believed that light was projected from the eyes upon that which was being observed. They had no concept of light as we know it, and could, therefore, not even begin to try to observe the speed of light.
OK I am now following your line of thinking.
what might it be to do with non-terrestrial craft?
merely saying them and the science governing their motion is, as of yet, not understood to us, and so foreign, in fact, that the idea "you don't know what you don't know" is particularly relevant?
I cannot refute that which I do not understand true, true.
I'm saying that since I can conceptualize the ability of some observable thing to be able to travel faster than the speed of light, a good line of reasoning might lead someone to begin to test a hypothesis related to such a concept. Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light, or does that seem delusional?
Either way, since I can imagine something going much faster than 299,792,458m/s, the speed of light is sort of dwarfed by the infinite number of m/s I can conceptualize.
again, just because you can imagine something going faster than the speed of light doesn't mean that it can . cuz physics.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
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I saw a pyramid shaped aircraft when I was about ten years old driving through the Texas countryside with my family at night.
For some reason, I didn't even say anything to my family, I just stared at it till we drove out of view.
It was floating in place and slowly rotating. I couldn't see the actual ship, but I could see that lights on it which were dispersed enough to outline the actual chassis.
Haven't seen anything like that since then though
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Constantine]
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Not at all. I neednt convince anyone. As I have seen and had it confirmed numerous times. It just leaves me aghast how some of you still live in the dark ages mentally speaking. This is the future god dammit either get on board or be left in the dust with the rest of the heathens.
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I've read many reports of the pyramid shape. Sometimes even upside down pyramids. Of course with everything that isn't experienced through your own eyes has to be taken with a grain of salt. However you know when you are looking at something entirely new.
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This took place just outside of Cantwell and lasted until I pulled into a gas station in Nenana. I was on my way to Fairbanks after a turn and burn to Anchorage on the Parks highway. I was with one other person.
We are just about to get into Cantwell and we see this bright ass light in the sky far off in the distance, but thought nothing of it and assumed it was a plane. We pass through Cantwell and drive for another 30-40 minutes and notice that the light hasn't moved whatsoever. We see two semi trucks pulled over on the side of the road and see the two truck drivers standing in the middle of the road looking up at the light. We stop and asked if they needed any help or what was going on and they just kept staring up at this light. One of the drivers said that he thought the light was following him. My friend and I laugh and get back in my car. Then out of nowhere this light moved towards us and the truck drivers at an insane rate of speed and was now over head. It made some movements in the sky that were in the shape of a Z and came closer to us then five more lights around the one light came on and everything around us was lit up as if it were day time. It was in the shape of a sphere with five more smaller spheres around it and they were all lit up. It was so bright you couldn't look at it without squinting. It made no sound what so ever.
We get back in my car after taking pictures of it. The truck divers were still standing there staring at it as we drove off. As we are driving up the Parks highway this thing in the sky was still behind us and it was over powering my high beams. My whole car was lit up for about thirty minutes, but the light in the sky was still right there. It moved up higher and the six lights went back to just one. We could see this thing in the sky for the rest of the time we were on the Parks up until we pulled into a gas station in Nenana. There is an air force base just outside of Nenana called Clear. It's where they cold weather test a lot of air derivative turbines and I've heard some weird stuff about what goes on there. You can see all kinds of crazy shit flying around there late at night in the winter.
So, we just assumed that this thing in the sky came from Clear AFB, but when we looked at the pictures my friend had took they were just black. Couldn't see the sphere lights at all. Also, it took us over 12 hours to make it back to Fairbanks from Anchorage. I was driving around 70-80 mph the whole time. We made it down to Anchorage in about five hours.
It is a drive I make a lot so that was pretty weird. This is just one story I have that sticks out in my mind. I have had many other experiences watching things in the sky around Clear AFB.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Boutang]
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Did you have any missing time at all? That's pretty intense. I've only ever had one close encounter to my recollection. Although I have a feeling it's been more times than that.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: d00d557]
#19088057 - 11/04/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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besides the one time I got abducted by Lizard Type Alien shape-shifters and taken up and had implants put in from which they control my brain?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing] 1
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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light
No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.
As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.
The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: Viveka]
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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light
No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.
As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.
The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.
Finally, someone I can agree with.
I hope that you will see, if you were inclined, that I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite.
One thing I must add here. Technology grows at an exponential rate. As we near the asymptote, the impossibility of observing those different slices of the spectrum, if they do exist, could quite possibly be discarded along with our current paradigm.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19093678 - 11/06/13 01:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty close-minded way of looking at it.
'ermagerd space is like, so huge, I doubt any aliens even know we exist, in fact we are probably the most advanced species in the universe.'
Seems pretty considering that even us humans can now identify planets which may possibly support life, and if we had the means, we would be sending all fucking kinds of probes to check them out.
It seems perfectly logical that an alien civilization even just 200-300 years more advanced than our own would not only be capable of doing this, but is highly probably doing this..In the name of science.
I would think that alien life in the universe would be very interesting to study for any sufficiently advanced species.
So please, explain your reasoning with some logical evidence other than "the universe is so huge" and "i'm a herpderp".
Where is your reasoning that its far more likely that we wont cross paths with any ET or that they wont cross paths with us other than you say so?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19093692 - 11/06/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You probably still think that theres only 9 (i got your back pluto) planets in the entire fucking universe.
Do you knowww that, on average, there is one planet for every star in our entire galaxy?
If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] 2
#19093715 - 11/06/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's just a bunch of unfounded speculation.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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No, its not.
Your speculation is actually the only unfounded one, the fact that you cannot see this is pretty hilarious.
Also, a spacecraft wouldn't even need to exceed FTL travel to travel the galaxy, as the experience of time relative to space approaching the speed of light would render that completely useless.
You would essentially not only be travelling through space at an accelerated rate, but time as well. So moving at or near the speed of light, what we would see taking as a year, the ones traveling at that speed would experience something like two weeks.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19093737 - 11/06/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When traveling at the speed of light (v=c), left under the radical you would have 0. This answer would be undefined or infinity if you will (let's go with infinity). The reference time (T0) divided by infinity would be 0; therefore, you could infer that time is 'frozen' to an object traveling at the speed of light.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19093746 - 11/06/13 02:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: No, its not.
Your speculation is actually the only unfounded one, the fact that you cannot see this is pretty hilarious.
Also, a spacecraft wouldn't even need to exceed FTL travel to travel the galaxy, as the experience of time relative to space approaching the speed of light would render that completely useless.
You would essentially not only be travelling through space at an accelerated rate, but time as well. So moving at or near the speed of light, what we would see taking as a year, the ones traveling at that speed would experience something like two weeks.
Which would make them useless to their starting societies
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19093748 - 11/06/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: No, its not.
Your speculation is actually the only unfounded one, the fact that you cannot see this is pretty hilarious.
Also, a spacecraft wouldn't even need to exceed FTL travel to travel the galaxy, as the experience of time relative to space approaching the speed of light would render that completely useless.
You would essentially not only be travelling through space at an accelerated rate, but time as well. So moving at or near the speed of light, what we would see taking as a year, the ones traveling at that speed would experience something like two weeks.
What was my speculation?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19093751 - 11/06/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its essentially not only space travel, but time travel as well.
Its pretty dumb for people to argue that we cannot travel the galaxy because FTL is impossible, when FTL would have little to do with it.
I'm pretty tired of seeing people argue that as the only reason against ETs travelling the galaxy and ourselves when it makes no sense, because near-lightspeed would suffice for such adventures just fine.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19093760 - 11/06/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Htx your ideas are familiar but your numbers are arbitrary.
"1% of 1% of 1%" etc.
And one year at near light speed being 2 weeks.
Both of course based loosely in reality but made up figures and assumptions don't prove aliens are visiting us in intergalactic crafts
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19093763 - 11/06/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That ETs aren't nor haven't been studying earth.
Pretty baseless speculation.
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The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19093769 - 11/06/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: Htx your ideas are familiar but your numbers are arbitrary.
"1% of 1% of 1%" etc.
And one year at near light speed being 2 weeks.
Both of course based loosely in reality but made up figures and assumptions don't prove aliens are visiting us in intergalactic crafts
I dont particularly feel like doing the math but you get the idea. No, they don't prove anything, but they provide a solid base for speculation.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19093777 - 11/06/13 02:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: That ETs aren't nor haven't been studying earth.
Pretty baseless speculation.
I intentionally left the topic of extraterrestrial presences on or near our planet untouched. One thing I did imply on that topic was that most of the people in this thread don't know what they're talking about. To call the statements of another absurd is not necessarily to speculate upon the subject at hand.
If you do know what you're talking about, good for you. I don't care. But if you want to be able to teach people, you're going to have to learn to read.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NWlight]
#19093785 - 11/06/13 02:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
I'll trust the experience of a few astronauts/pilots/my own experience whom have witnessed technologies not of this world as evidence enough.
All you naysayers only base for speculation that ETs haven't or couldn't be studying earth has been "but FTL travel is impossible...bleh bleh and all UFO phenomena can be explained away."
FTL travel is pretty irrelevant for traveling the galaxy. and not all UFO phenomena can be explained away.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, but these facts remain true. So why say such a thing with such confidence as ETs are definitely not visiting earth or that contact would likely never happen?
Seems close minded and ignorant.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19093795 - 11/06/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light
No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.
As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.
The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.
Finally, someone I can agree with.
I hope that you will see, if you were inclined, that I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite.
One thing I must add here. Technology grows at an exponential rate. As we near the asymptote, the impossibility of observing those different slices of the spectrum, if they do exist, could quite possibly be discarded along with our current paradigm.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
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hTx said: I dont particularly feel like doing the math but you get the idea. No, they don't prove anything, but they provide a solid base for speculation.
So you have evidence and are making speculations based off of that information? You should tell us what information you have and use that information to prove your speculations. Otherwise the burden of proof still lies on you. We're all waiting.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
I'll trust the experience of a few astronauts/pilots/my own experience whom have witnessed technologies not of this world as evidence enough.
All you naysayers only base for speculation that ETs haven't or couldn't be studying earth has been "but FTL travel is impossible...bleh bleh and all UFO phenomena can be explained away."
FTL travel is pretty irrelevant for traveling the galaxy. and not all UFO phenomena can be explained away.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, but these facts remain true. So why say such a thing with such confidence as ETs are definitely not visiting earth or that contact would likely never happen?
Seems close minded and ignorant.

The only basis you have is anecdotal at best and the most likely answer is that it is unlikely, but possible
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light
No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.
As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.
The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.
Finally, someone I can agree with.
I hope that you will see, if you were inclined, that I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite.
One thing I must add here. Technology grows at an exponential rate. As we near the asymptote, the impossibility of observing those different slices of the spectrum, if they do exist, could quite possibly be discarded along with our current paradigm.
...I can read.
I have yet to see the speculation you find so laughable.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NotTheDevil]
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hTx said: No, its not.
Your speculation is actually the only unfounded one, the fact that you cannot see this is pretty hilarious.
Also, a spacecraft wouldn't even need to exceed FTL travel to travel the galaxy, as the experience of time relative to space approaching the speed of light would render that completely useless.
You would essentially not only be travelling through space at an accelerated rate, but time as well. So moving at or near the speed of light, what we would see taking as a year, the ones traveling at that speed would experience something like two weeks.
Which would make them useless to their starting societies
Information is not limited by the speed of light, and can be transferred instantaneously through things such as 'spooky action at a distance', theoretically speaking.
http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: NotTheDevil]
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
I'll trust the experience of a few astronauts/pilots/my own experience whom have witnessed technologies not of this world as evidence enough.
All you naysayers only base for speculation that ETs haven't or couldn't be studying earth has been "but FTL travel is impossible...bleh bleh and all UFO phenomena can be explained away."
FTL travel is pretty irrelevant for traveling the galaxy. and not all UFO phenomena can be explained away.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, but these facts remain true. So why say such a thing with such confidence as ETs are definitely not visiting earth or that contact would likely never happen?
Seems close minded and ignorant.

The only basis you have is anecdotal at best and the most likely answer is that it is unlikely, but possible
I say not only possible, but likely. We once thought we were the only planet in the universe, only to find we had 8 more in our solar system alone. Than we thought that these were the only ones in space, and that any more would be 'unlikely, but possible.'
Now we observe on average one planet for every star.
I think life in the universe is going to be much the same story.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19093821 - 11/06/13 02:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light
No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.
As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.
The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.
Finally, someone I can agree with.
I hope that you will see, if you were inclined, that I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite.
One thing I must add here. Technology grows at an exponential rate. As we near the asymptote, the impossibility of observing those different slices of the spectrum, if they do exist, could quite possibly be discarded along with our current paradigm.
...I can read.
I have yet to see the speculation you find so laughable.
I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite. Is this not speculation? I could be misinterpreting you, so correct me if I'm wrong..
But denying is still speculation.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Although I do believe that somewhere else in our universe there has to be intelligent life, I simply find it hard to believe there are so many UFO sightings and not one government in the world has made such a disclosure.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing] 2
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
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So you have evidence and are making speculations based off of that information? You should tell us what information you have and use that information to prove your speculations. Otherwise the burden of proof still lies on you. We're all waiting.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Based on my assumption that since there is a number higher than 299,792,458m/s and that, therefore, their might be the possibility that something can go as fast as even just 299,792,459m/s, is the line of reasoning that such an imaginary thing could exist useful to leading us to discovering something faster than the speed of light
No, it's not at all useful because it's not as if physicists just kind of picked a number and imagined that maybe light could go that fast but then found out that it couldn't or something whimsical like that. The determination on the speed of light was made after many observations of heavenly bodies that revealed the math by observation in a repeatable, testable way.
As far as we can test or observe, there is no way a classic object, such as an incarnate entity of physical substance that could "exist" in our "dimension", could travel faster than the observed speed of light. Even if we discovered down the road that some spooky particle at a distance might, according to certain maths, be able to "travel faster than the speed of light" it wouldn't change much as far as the likelihood of non-terrestrial lifeforms traveling here in the flesh so to speak. If anything there are probably other forms of life coexisting in the same time "time-space" but in different slices of the spectrum that hold no information or substance for us. But that's just like, my opinion man.
The whole ET thing is fucking retarded. As if there isn't enough mystery surrounding us from every direction. No, we take that all for granted and imagine mysterious crafts taking interest in us instead. Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face. But it is far more likely that we'll never cross paths with it. The fact that there is an absolute dearth of evidence(other than numerous accounts of people seeing lights in the sky, or claiming to experience other weird phenomenon, which have other explanations) only supports the statistical likelihood of no 'Contact'.
Finally, someone I can agree with.
I hope that you will see, if you were inclined, that I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite.
One thing I must add here. Technology grows at an exponential rate. As we near the asymptote, the impossibility of observing those different slices of the spectrum, if they do exist, could quite possibly be discarded along with our current paradigm.
...I can read.
I have yet to see the speculation you find so laughable.
I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite. Is this not speculation? I could be misinterpreting you, so correct me if I'm wrong..
But denying is still speculation.
Again, you need to read more carefully.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19093857 - 11/06/13 02:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
Burden of proof lies with the one making a claim
The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
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hTx said: I dont particularly feel like doing the math but you get the idea. No, they don't prove anything, but they provide a solid base for speculation.
So you have evidence and are making speculations based off of that information? You should tell us what information you have and use that information to prove your speculations. Otherwise the burden of proof still lies on you. We're all waiting.
Radar evidence, astronaut/pilot/military personal accounts, and millions of unexplained sightings. Including mass sightings, such as the miracle at Fatima. Ancient sumerian texts, in which they show an understanding about planets/atmospheres..things they could not have possibly have known after barely inventing the wheel.
And that mathematically it is not impossible for a spacecraft to reach earth from several light years away within a reasonable time..that there are (based on mathematics) millions of habitable planets, which likely means we aren't alone. Just us being here on earth mathematically speaking means we are not alone.
This provides plenty base for speculation. Just as your 'lack of evidence' provides base for speculation.
Why is the burden of proof on me? Where is your proof that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible? Don't say unlikely, because in a universe so vast, unlikely means certainly, imo.
So far the only grounds you have for speculation that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible was that FTL is impossible. I showed that this is irrelevant. Next?
Why is it so impossible? Give me one good reason to drop this and I will, but I bet you can't. 'Lack of evidence' isn't any evidence to the contrary.
Alls im saying is stay open minded. When I hear people say things like "The whole ET thing is retarded." It just kind of makes you look like a retard, imo.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Even in a court of law, things such as eye-witness accounts are taken with much value.
So why claim that eye-witness accounts of several high ranking military/political leaders isn't evidence?
And to those thinking that since FTL travel isn't possible as like the holy grail to explain away ET phenomena I proved you all wrong by showing FTL travel as irrelevant in intergalactic travel.
So provide some more evidence to the contrary, kill the possibility if you can.
Because you cannot, and those thinking that they can are completely misinformed. We know nothing.
So I ask those of you saying that ETs visiting earth as highly unlikely or impossible, provide some evidence proving this statement.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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NWlight said: The lack of evidence for the contrary does not prove the position.
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The evidence is plenty, just because you refuse to accept it doesn't change anything.
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hTx said: I dont particularly feel like doing the math but you get the idea. No, they don't prove anything, but they provide a solid base for speculation.
So you have evidence and are making speculations based off of that information? You should tell us what information you have and use that information to prove your speculations. Otherwise the burden of proof still lies on you. We're all waiting.
Radar evidence, astronaut/pilot/military personal accounts, and millions of unexplained sightings. Including mass sightings, such as the miracle at Fatima. Ancient sumerian texts, in which they show an understanding about planets/atmospheres..things they could not have possibly have known after barely inventing the wheel.
And that mathematically it is not impossible for a spacecraft to reach earth from several light years away within a reasonable time..that there are (based on mathematics) millions of habitable planets, which likely means we aren't alone. Just us being here on earth mathematically speaking means we are not alone.
This provides plenty base for speculation. Just as your 'lack of evidence' provides base for speculation.
Why is the burden of proof on me? Where is your proof that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible? Don't say unlikely, because in a universe so vast, unlikely means certainly, imo.
So far the only grounds you have for speculation that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible was that FTL is impossible. I showed that this is irrelevant. Next?
Why is it so impossible? Give me one good reason to drop this and I will, but I bet you can't. 'Lack of evidence' isn't any evidence to the contrary.
Alls im saying is stay open minded. When I hear people say things like "The whole ET thing is retarded." It just kind of makes you look like a retard, imo.
Right. But I didn't say that. You need to provide sources for your information. You're just some asshole on the internet, just like the rest of us.
Since you're so sure of yourself, you shouldn't have anything to worry about, would you? You don't need the burden of proof to fall on you, do you? Since you're so sure, you should be able to provide your proof without us even asking.
Of course, you can't do that because, if you could, you would be internationally famous. You would be a household name for making the greatest scientific discovery that has ever been. We would be interrupting our previously scheduled broadcasts to tell everyone about you and your amazing contribution to humanity.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] 1
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hTx said: So I ask those of you saying that ETs visiting earth as highly unlikely or impossible, provide some evidence proving this statement.
It is impossible to prove the nonexistence of anything. It a logical impossibility. That's why we are telling you that the burden of proof lies on you. Not because we don't believe. Just because that's the way logic works.
If you can prove that there is no flying spaghetti monster, I can prove that there are no aliens.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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hTx said: Why is the burden of proof on me? Where is your proof that ET flying around in a UFO around earth is impossible?
So where is your proof that Saturn isn't full of pink unicorns that walk backwards ?
No, it doesn't work like that, you make the claim, the burden of proof is on you.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19093892 - 11/06/13 03:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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wtf do you want me to prove exactly?
That without a doubt ET exists?
I never said this, I said its likely and I provided my reasoning for thinking as such.
When did I say without a doubt ET are monitoring us?
I didn't, and your telling me to learn how to read?! 
My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.
tha fuck did you get that from?
Because all of the things that people posted here saying ET visiting earth is impossible/unlikely were just fucking wrong.
Had to say something.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] 1
#19093910 - 11/06/13 03:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: wtf do you want me to prove exactly?
That without a doubt ET exists?
I never said this, I said its likely and I provided my reasoning for thinking as such.
When did I say without a doubt ET are monitoring us?
I didn't, and your telling me to learn how to read?! 
My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.
tha fuck did you get that from?
Because all of the things that people posted here saying ET visiting earth is impossible/unlikely were just fucking wrong.
Had to say something.
We're not talking about that. I didn't say that extraterrestrials don't exist, or that it's impossible for them to make contact with us. I said that it's very likely that they exist and that it is very likely possible that they could make contact. I don't personally believe that they have, but that is moot.
Your contribution to the thread is summed up as: It's possible. I'm not arguing against that. I'm just pointing out that you're just some dumbass on the internet. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and your posts prove it. Even just the fact that you don't understand what the concept of burden of proof is.
You can't even deconstruct the conversation when the words are right there to be quoted. I have to hold your fucking hand and walk you through it.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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hTx said: wtf do you want me to prove exactly?
That without a doubt ET exists?
I never said this, I said its likely and I provided my reasoning for thinking as such.
When did I say without a doubt ET are monitoring us?
I didn't, and your telling me to learn how to read?! 
My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.
tha fuck did you get that from?
Because all of the things that people posted here saying ET visiting earth is impossible/unlikely were just fucking wrong.
Had to say something.
We're not talking about that. I didn't say that extraterrestrials don't exist, or that it's impossible for them to make contact with us. I said that it's very likely that they exist and that it is very likely possible that they could make contact. I don't personally believe that they have, but that is moot.
Your contribution to the thread is summed up as: It's possible. I'm not arguing against that. I'm just pointing out that you're just some dumbass on the internet. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about and your posts prove it. Even just the fact that you don't understand what the concept of burden of proof is.
You can't even deconstruct the conversation when the words are right there to be quoted. I have to hold your fucking hand and walk you through it.
Just as I'm pointing out that your just some dumbass on the internet. You don't know wtf your talking about and your posts prove it.
Your just butthurt that I proved the whole FTL part of this debate irrelevant. I provided plenty of 'proof' behind my statements, everything I said was based on actual science/mathematics.
So what the fuck are you on about again? What more do you want from me?
Hold my hand, walk me through it.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] 2
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http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ufo-amnesty-sought-by-army-colonel_n_1513197.html http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129348-BBC-Predicts-That-One-in-Every-Five-Stars-Has-a-Habitable-Planet http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-010
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hTx said: My entire reason for posting was to encourage an open mind, not to say that ETs exist and I have proof.
tha fuck did you get that from?
So these sources you just posted; what are they for? What are you trying to prove?
I'm proving the possibility.
What are you trying to prove?
Mostly that I can tear you apart again and again without you even realizing that it happens. You made my shit list because you are an arrogant idiot who can't read well enough to understand that your flippant remarks reflect upon you poorly when you mistake the meaning of a sentence that you actually agreed with in the first place.
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d00d557 said: I have had many experiences with objects that I wouldn't consider to be terrestrial. Have you any stories to share fellow shroomerites? I will share mine if you'd like. Had posted in another forum but it was far too slow for my liking.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: koods]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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http://www.livescience.com/27920-quantum-action-faster-than-light.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/16/ufo-amnesty-sought-by-army-colonel_n_1513197.html http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/129348-BBC-Predicts-That-One-in-Every-Five-Stars-Has-a-Habitable-Planet http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-010
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tha fuck did you get that from?
So these sources you just posted; what are they for? What are you trying to prove?
I'm proving the possibility.
What are you trying to prove?
Mostly that I can tear you apart again and again without you even realizing that it happens. You made my shit list because you are an arrogant idiot who can't read well enough to understand that your flippant remarks reflect upon you poorly when you mistake the meaning of a sentence that you actually agreed with in the first place.
Well, that seems pretty egotistical to me, have fun tearing people apart since your such a genius and all that, I'm sure your hella fun at parties.

You don't seem to understand that the only reason for me posting was to prove the FTL portion of this whole thread irrelevant to intergalactic travel and to provide solid foundation for the speculation that ET is visiting earth. Since so many here seem to think the idea is complete bullshit.
You said my speculation was unfounded and I showed that it was founded.
All the rest is you trying to feel superior by adding irrelevancies, saying shit like the burden of proof lies on me when I never made a claim to begin with.
Fuck off with your semantic bullshit.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Your claim was that it's possible, and no one disagreed.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Well, that seems pretty egotistical to me, have fun tearing people apart since your such a genius and all that, I'm sure your hella fun at parties.

You don't seem to understand that the only reason for me posting was to prove the FTL portion of this whole thread irrelevant to intergalactic travel and to provide solid foundation for the speculation that ET is visiting earth. Since so many here seem to think the idea is complete bullshit.
You said my speculation was unfounded and I showed that it was founded.
All the rest is you trying to feel superior by adding irrelevancies, saying shit like the burden of proof lies on me when I never made a claim to begin with.
Fuck off with your semantic bullshit.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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KremrBigSikter said: Your claim was that it's possible, and no one disagreed.
healings claim was that my speculation was unfounded, based on nothing but him saying it was.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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I have steered clear of the possibility of contact for the exact absurdity you cite. Is this not speculation? I could be misinterpreting you, so correct me if I'm wrong..
But denying is still speculation.
Again, you need to read more carefully.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx] 1
#19094030 - 11/06/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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healing said: That's just a bunch of unfounded speculation.
How quickly you forget.
And we've come full circle. Are you ready to start again?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094034 - 11/06/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I misunderstood you saying you weren't going to touch on the possibility as denying the possibility, I admit that, I even said it was possible I misinterpreted you.
Doesn't change the fact that you called my ideas about life in the universe and travel within it 'unfounded'.
Which is what I was arguing about the whole time, so once again, what are you on about again?
How are they unfounded again?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094037 - 11/06/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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un·found·ed ˌənˈfoundid/Submit adjective 1. having no foundation or basis in fact.
find one thing about my posts that wasn't based on fact, besides there being any other life in the universe besides whats on earth. That part I could see how you say is unfounded due to the fact that we haven't found objective evidence that we know of.
But mathematically speaking its a near-certainty.
FTL travel being irrelevant to intergalactic travel is completely founded.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094040 - 11/06/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
That is speculation. Where did the 1% of 1% figure come from? On what was it founded?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094044 - 11/06/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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THe fact that everyone here arguing about the impossibility of FTL travel as evidence against ETs visiting earth was completely unfounded, the only unfounded speculation in this entire thread was this.
And that was my entire point.
Any thing else is irrelevant.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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hTx said: If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
That is speculation. Where did the 1% of 1% figure come from? On what was it founded?
Its estimated that 1/5 of the planets in our galaxy is a habitable planet. 1/5 of 300 billion (its estimated there is atleast one planet for every star, and its estimated that our galaxy has atleast 300 billion stars) is 60,000,000,000, or 60 billion. 1% of 60 billion = 600,000,000. 1% of that is 6,000,000. 1% of that is 60,000.
So more like tens of thousands.
tens of millions was a stretch, I'll grant you that.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094066 - 11/06/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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hTx said: The fact that everyone here arguing about the impossibility of FTL travel as evidence against ETs visiting earth was completely unfounded.
Do you see how I agreed with you now?
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hTx said: The only unfounded speculation in this entire thread was this.
Incorrect. There were two pieces of unfounded speculation. The one you speak of, and this:
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hTx said: If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
That is speculation. Where did the 1% of 1% figure come from? On what was it founded?
You just pointed out your own mistake. You chose some arbitrary figure of 1% of 1%. You did not have any reason to choose 1% of 1%. You just pulled that number out of thin air. That is why it is unfounded.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094104 - 11/06/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well alright thann now that we are speaking more clearly we are making progress!
it was founded on estimated number of habitable planets and the chance that those habitable planets developed life and the chance that that life developed intelligence.
You are right, when I brought in 'the chance', my percentages even though low, are unfounded and used mostly just to get people to think outside the box, and to realize how massive a fuckin galaxy we live in is.

You should have just pointed that out to begin with man jeez.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094136 - 11/06/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your ego feel a lil bit better now pal?

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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094138 - 11/06/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Your ego feel a lil bit better now pal?


Just walking you through it.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094140 - 11/06/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys are actually the same person right?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
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Your ego feel a lil bit better now pal?


Just walking you through it.

Even that wasn't as unfounded as you make it seem, since life developed on earth, and that life developed intelligence, and since our planet must be included in the total number of habitable planets and since habitable planets, especially those with water (and we have found exoplanets with water) very likely have some sort of life.
So fuck off with all your "walking you through it" bullshit.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094200 - 11/06/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's what you asked me to do.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094209 - 11/06/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah because you were being so vague I had no idea wtf you were talking about..I thought you were saying the idea that aliens exist and could be visiting earth was completely unfounded speculation, all you had to do, about 20 posts back was point out the % thing, which wasn't exactly as unfounded as saying that since FTL travel is impossible, that aliens can't be visiting earth.
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