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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094034 - 11/06/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I misunderstood you saying you weren't going to touch on the possibility as denying the possibility, I admit that, I even said it was possible I misinterpreted you.
Doesn't change the fact that you called my ideas about life in the universe and travel within it 'unfounded'.
Which is what I was arguing about the whole time, so once again, what are you on about again?
How are they unfounded again?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094037 - 11/06/13 04:55 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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un·found·ed ˌənˈfoundid/Submit adjective 1. having no foundation or basis in fact.
find one thing about my posts that wasn't based on fact, besides there being any other life in the universe besides whats on earth. That part I could see how you say is unfounded due to the fact that we haven't found objective evidence that we know of.
But mathematically speaking its a near-certainty.
FTL travel being irrelevant to intergalactic travel is completely founded.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094040 - 11/06/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
That is speculation. Where did the 1% of 1% figure come from? On what was it founded?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094044 - 11/06/13 04:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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THe fact that everyone here arguing about the impossibility of FTL travel as evidence against ETs visiting earth was completely unfounded, the only unfounded speculation in this entire thread was this.
And that was my entire point.
Any thing else is irrelevant.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094056 - 11/06/13 05:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
That is speculation. Where did the 1% of 1% figure come from? On what was it founded?
Its estimated that 1/5 of the planets in our galaxy is a habitable planet. 1/5 of 300 billion (its estimated there is atleast one planet for every star, and its estimated that our galaxy has atleast 300 billion stars) is 60,000,000,000, or 60 billion. 1% of 60 billion = 600,000,000. 1% of that is 6,000,000. 1% of that is 60,000.
So more like tens of thousands.
tens of millions was a stretch, I'll grant you that.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094066 - 11/06/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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healing said: Again, you need to read more carefully.
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Viveka said: Given the vastness of the observable universe and the tendency of patterns to repeat in nature it would be absurd to think there isn't other life out there, sharing the same spectrum of matter as ours, that we could potentially meet face to face.
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hTx said: The fact that everyone here arguing about the impossibility of FTL travel as evidence against ETs visiting earth was completely unfounded.
Do you see how I agreed with you now?
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hTx said: The only unfounded speculation in this entire thread was this.
Incorrect. There were two pieces of unfounded speculation. The one you speak of, and this:
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hTx said: If 1% of 1% of those had life, and 1% of 1% of those developed any kind of intelligence...we are looking at tens of millions of civilizations in our galaxy alone.
That is speculation. Where did the 1% of 1% figure come from? On what was it founded?
You just pointed out your own mistake. You chose some arbitrary figure of 1% of 1%. You did not have any reason to choose 1% of 1%. You just pulled that number out of thin air. That is why it is unfounded.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094104 - 11/06/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well alright thann now that we are speaking more clearly we are making progress!
it was founded on estimated number of habitable planets and the chance that those habitable planets developed life and the chance that that life developed intelligence.
You are right, when I brought in 'the chance', my percentages even though low, are unfounded and used mostly just to get people to think outside the box, and to realize how massive a fuckin galaxy we live in is.
You should have just pointed that out to begin with man jeez.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094125 - 11/06/13 05:43 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094128 - 11/06/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094136 - 11/06/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your ego feel a lil bit better now pal?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094138 - 11/06/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your ego feel a lil bit better now pal?
Just walking you through it.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094140 - 11/06/13 05:59 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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You guys are actually the same person right?
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: KremrBigSikter]
#19094149 - 11/06/13 06:05 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094168 - 11/06/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your ego feel a lil bit better now pal?
Just walking you through it.
Even that wasn't as unfounded as you make it seem, since life developed on earth, and that life developed intelligence, and since our planet must be included in the total number of habitable planets and since habitable planets, especially those with water (and we have found exoplanets with water) very likely have some sort of life.
So fuck off with all your "walking you through it" bullshit.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: hTx]
#19094200 - 11/06/13 06:45 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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hTx said: Fuck off with all your "walking you through it" bullshit.
That's what you asked me to do.
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Re: Experiences with non-terrestrial craft? [Re: healing]
#19094209 - 11/06/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah because you were being so vague I had no idea wtf you were talking about..I thought you were saying the idea that aliens exist and could be visiting earth was completely unfounded speculation, all you had to do, about 20 posts back was point out the % thing, which wasn't exactly as unfounded as saying that since FTL travel is impossible, that aliens can't be visiting earth.
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