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lessismore
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White Beard said: Just because there are unknowns, doesn't imply God.
I never said so
but it doesnt mean we should exclude god either necessarily, that would be closed-minded and science is limited by culture often + everything not proven is excluded
luckily I still see some good science sci-fi papers, time travel, future events changing events in the past, "god" particles etc. it is allowed to be "religious" in science, as long as you can prove it with math
but if your theory doesnt fit into the real world is is discarded
imagination can be fun in science too
what if there was a god? what if cause and effect wasnt one way only? what if there was no free will? what if nothing was real? what if physical reality was only a subset of a larger reality? (call it holographic, spiritual etc)
question everything
and it is possible to question most things and have a basic belief too, beliefs are personal so they dont need to be proved to others
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mio said: You cant disprove spirit and you cant disprove god
If I can apply the definition of god or spirit to an existing object both can indeed be proven, whether it matches your own spiritual beliefs is another matter. I've already applied the definition of spirit to the human brain.
If we look at the definition of god 1 - capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind 2 - a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality 3 - a person or thing of supreme value 4 - a powerful ruler
Please don't make me give examples of things of supreme value or powerful rulers 
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Duncan Rowhl said: Your opinion that spirit does not exist or that spirit pertains to physical has not been verified.
You're quite stubborn, aren't you? Though you are still getting my words mixed up. My opinion is that spirit DOES exist, and my belief of what my spirit is has been verified by definition as well as scientific research. It does pertain to the physical world. Here is photographic evidence of a brain 
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White Beard

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mio said:
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White Beard said: Just because there are unknowns, doesn't imply God.
I never said so
but it doesnt mean we should exclude god either necessarily, that would be closed-minded and science is limited by culture often + everything not proven is excluded
luckily I still see some good science sci-fi papers, time travel, future events changing events in the past, "god" particles etc. it is allowed to be "religious" in science, as long as you can prove it with math
but if your theory doesnt fit into the real world is is discarded
imagination can be fun in science too
what if there was a god? what if cause and effect wasnt one way only? what if there was no free will? what if nothing was real? what if physical reality was only a subset of a larger reality? (call it holographic, spiritual etc)
question everything
and it is possible to question most things and have a basic belief too, beliefs are personal so they dont need to be proved to others
Well, we can speculate until the cows come home, but I choose to speculate, hold my speculation up to reality, then reject if it doesn't fit, and accept if it does fit. Reality appears to have repeating patterns, and if we can understand these patterns through careful observation, we can better our lives with this understanding.
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imagination can be fun in science too
I love this video.
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Duncan Rowhl
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TryinToTrip said: It does pertain to the physical world. Here is photographic evidence of a brain [/image]

A picture of the human brain is not verification of spirit being physical nor are any of the proposed dictionary definitions.
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And what evidence do you have to support these claims?
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lessismore
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White Beard said:
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mio said:
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White Beard said: Just because there are unknowns, doesn't imply God.
I never said so
but it doesnt mean we should exclude god either necessarily, that would be closed-minded and science is limited by culture often everything not proven is excluded
luckily I still see some good science sci-fi papers, time travel, future events changing events in the past, "god" particles etc. it is allowed to be "religious" in science, as long as you can prove it with math
but if your theory doesnt fit into the real world is is discarded
imagination can be fun in science too
what if there was a god? what if cause and effect wasnt one way only? what if there was no free will? what if nothing was real? what if physical reality was only a subset of a larger reality? (call it holographic, spiritual etc)
question everything
and it is possible to question most things and have a basic belief too, beliefs are personal so they dont need to be proved to others
Well, we can speculate until the cows come home, but I choose to speculate, hold my speculation up to reality, then reject if it doesn't fit, and accept if it does fit. Reality appears to have repeating patterns, and if we can understand these patterns through careful observation, we can better our lives with this understanding.
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imagination can be fun in science too
I love this video.
I love the video with Feynmann trying to explain how a magnet works, but apparently cant
Ive always wondered how they work :-) lol
but we have no knowledge of what a magnetic or electric field in vacuum actually is it seems
except freely floating energy perhaps, that is what maxwell proposed with his equations
so many theories based on fields, but we dont know what a field really is :-P nobody knows what an electric field is
then I started getting the idea that nature somehow likes EM-waves because they travel at the ultimate speed, light speed almost like the universe resonates at that speed, it prefers electromagnetic fields you can send a signal with light speed, to the end of the universe with a 9V battery and a coil... radiowave
and you pull on the moon with light speed when you go for a walk, general relativity says
maybe everything incl gravity is electromagnetic in nature..
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Duncan Rowhl
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My opinion holds no more weight than yours on the topic hence why it's pinnacle to converse amicably rather than emotionally.
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White Beard

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mio said: I love the video with Feynmann trying to explain how a magnet works, but apparently cant
lol yeah, thats in this one!
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lessismore
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To a child a cat is a natural thing, but to a physicist a cat is an enormously complicated system ;-)
same with magnets it seems ;P
I like my cats real, not as linear combinations just observe and enjoy
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