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Duncan Rowhl
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OrgoneConclusion said: Here is the lowdown: don't attempt to use science that you don't understand to make a case for which it does not apply.
I haven't used science given that it's not applicable though despite my efforts I think that message has been missed in every instance!
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Duncan Rowhl said: He who assumes understanding of spirit to be something that is learned on a level of science rather than on an exclusive level of it's own is uneducated and spiritless indeed! 
I used to believe in evolution - then I read some posts here.
Here is the lowdown: don't attempt to use science that you don't understand to make a case for which it does not apply.
If I'm not mistaken the only science eluded to was the conservation of energy...
Also I don't see anyone giving any argument for the transfer of data intact from being to being...
The brain uses electricity to function... disrupt the electricity u disrupt the being... remove the electricity the being is no longer a being it is inanimate...
The argument as I see it is what happens to the energy that makes us us when it stops making us us...
Law of conservation of energy says it still exists just not in the same form... am I incorrect or misled or uneducated?
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The energy in our cells that powers 'us' will be mostly released as heat upon death.
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OrgoneConclusion said: The energy in our cells that powers 'us' will be mostly released as heat upon death.
Yet there is no evidence to support your theory... does that make it wrong? Absolutely not... its just an opinion like everyone else's albeit a concise and educated one...
Now the next logical step is to prove this idea... since I am unaware of such an investigation I'm assuming it hasn't occured...
Next, where does the energy u are born/develop with come from? Is it some other form of energy that is transformed into a viable source for life/consciousness? It definitely isn't created from nothing... I would like to hear your thoughts
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OrgoneConclusion said: The energy in our cells that powers 'us' will be mostly released as heat upon death.
Interestingly the same ultimate behavior in the big rip. Universe = mind blown
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Why didn't you respond to my question earlier Orgone?
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OrgoneConclusion said: One person points out an error and other 5 others jump on him for educating and back up the person making the error. That is plain moronic.
I hope you don't see me as one of those people, I don't believe I've backed up any error in this thread.
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Facts are not consensual. They stand alone.
I digress, this thread is a perfect example. You don't think different perceptions completely alter realities between individuals? Even if you don't, there are obviously individuals here who aren't consenting to what you view as fact.
I hope you don't view this as attacking you. I legitimately value your opinion and knowledge, and am enjoying your responses. I don't think the few disagreements I have with what you've said have been unreasonable either.
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Yet there is no evidence to support your theory...
I have not posited a theory nor an opinion, but a biological fact. Cell entropy results in heat, some tiny amount of light and various chemical reactions.
All of this information is readily available.
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You don't think different perceptions completely alter realities between individuals?
Why would you commingle 'fact' with 'perception'? The number of people believing in something does not alter its factual nature in the slightest. For hundreds of years people thought tobacco smoking was benign. Reality didn't agree and reality always wins.
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Before you can regard anything as fact, you'd need to know you are living in fact.
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I think this thread is gold. Really.
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Yogi1]
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Yogi1 said: I think this thread is gold. Really.
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Yet there is no evidence to support your theory...
I have not posited a theory nor an opinion, but a biological fact. Cell entropy results in heat, some tiny amount of light and various chemical reactions.
All of this information is readily available.
I'm not entirely convinced... there are laws which govern entropy, cells being made of matter then intrinsically follow these laws... however I have come across no information on the release of cellular electricity as heat in either oncosis or apoptosis... I don't disagree with u as the transformation of electricity to heat and light is a regular occurence and measurable... I do disagree that anyone has proven your theory of cell death producing light and heat or any other kind of measurable energy... either it doesn't occur or it is beyond our technological advances to percieve such an occurrence. ..
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Duncan Rowhl said: He who assumes understanding of spirit to be something that is learned on a level of science rather than on an exclusive level of it's own is uneducated and spiritless indeed! 
I used to believe in evolution - then I read some posts here.
Here is the lowdown: don't attempt to use science that you don't understand to make a case for which it does not apply.
As if you understand evolution haha
You keep thinking evolution is a strictly physical phenomena and refuse to see that it occurs within the mind, culture, and within a persons lifetime as well.
Just playing video games for instance, can increase gray matter in the brain, a positive evolutionary mutation which occurs through an invention that came from human culture. It is in this way that humans have 'accelerated' evolutionary patterns, and why we have developed so quickly.
There was an event near the time we figured out how to write that some scientists call "the big brain" due to the explosion of intelligence/brain size we experienced in such a short amount of time.
Also, lets say that we figure out technology to 'regrow' a head after its been chopped off.
Do you think the memories would still be intact or not?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Why are you and others trying to pass off total misinformation as factual? That is very uncool.
I have a Masters in EE and a minor in physics. I don't just make shit up to sound deep to other befuddled drop-outs.
Now if you want to actually address my point, I would be happy to consider your information to energy equivalency formula. There might be a Nobel prize in there. Or you could recant your nonsense. Either is fine.
Do an experiment. Take an old CD and smash it to bits with a hammer. All of the matter (and energy) is still there, but the songs have gone bye-bye. Forever. They didn't reincarnate or go to information heaven. The patterns have been destroyed.
The songs are still somewhere, they just are not able to function properly because the cd is smashed. they still exist in another realm (the internet for example) analogy fail.
also debate fail, with your appeal to authority as you being the authority with some more than likely non-existent degrees.
...here comes the flamage.
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don't refute claims and ideas because u believe them to be uneducated...
Has nothing to do with my personal belief. They are uneducated.
6th time now for the pig-headed: Information has no direct relationship to energy; therefore to advance the Law of Conservation of Energy as an argument for continuation has no merit. None. This is not opinion.
Where is your proof that consciousness = strictly information? You cannot just assume such things, where is your science supporting this theory? Also, there is such a thing called conservation of information...did ya know that?
Nd you getting all butthurt over all the 'faulty' science here yet here you are, propagating your own. 
You act like you understand what consciousness is, how it works, what its capable of, when it ends..
Maybe your the one who deserves a nobel prize, since most every scientist in the world would agree that consciousness is one of the greatest mysteries that science faces today.
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: hTx]
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Trying to apply a science (which is relative to physical) to spiritual is like trying to fit a square block into a round hole and attempting to do so accentuates the degree of a persons entire miscomprehension of spiritual.
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Well that's not true. What if someone worships the sun because it provides them and everything around them with life? They do physically worship the sun, and the sun's light and heat provide the energy which all living things on Earth feed off of. Science verifies the physical reality, and the theoretical person's spirituality coincides with it.
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Spiritual does not coincide with physical.
By definition (of Dictionary.com) "coincide" means: "to occupy the same place in space, the same point or period in time, or the same relative position".
Spiritual resides in the eternal whereas physical is in strict adherence with linear time relative to the protocols of it's science.
If someone worships the sun they are placing their faith in physical.
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From which dictionary are you finding your definition of spiritual?
Under Merriam-webster: 1 - of, relating to, consisting of, or affecting the spirit 2a - of or relating to sacred matters b - ecclesiastical rather than lay or temporal 3 - concerned with religious values 4 - related or joined in spirit 5a - of or relating to supernatural beings or phenomena b - of, relating to, or involving spiritualism
The theoretical person's beliefs are completely spiritual, fitting definitions 1-4, especially number 1. The spirit's first definition by Merriam-Webster is an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms. This completely supports the example belief I gave as one that is spiritual and has direct correspondence with physical reality as verified by science.
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