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What 'freaks me out' is people attempting to advance their pet hypothesis using faulty science. Capische?
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Please explain in quotations.
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This is a discussion on reincarnation... what one does or does not believe... to make an argument for said belief and if possible show evidence forsaid argument... blatently telling people they are wrong and spouting credentials to back up your belief is close minded imo...
I don't believe nor support the idea of reincarnation but I am willing to accept the fact that we don't know... if science can prove yes or no I'd be more than happy to accept those findings... u must agree that there is no evidence for or against the idea of reincarnation... don't refute claims and ideas because u believe them to be uneducated...
Even with said credentials u know as much as anyone else on the subject and ur opinions are just as meaningful as ne one else's... in fact I agree with u about the transfer of hard data across a medium intact to be far fetched and against logic...
My argument is that we are uninformed on the subject... I just don't see without a measurable change of state of the electricity in the brain that it becomes nonexistent... it goes somewhere... the energy in your brains does something when ur physical body dies and that's the basis of the argument....
As stated above possibly a no fly zone for us weak minded creatures... the answer doesn't prove a necessity to our existence... I just don't rule out any ones belief that can not be proven... that's ignorance imo
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don't refute claims and ideas because u believe them to be uneducated...
Has nothing to do with my personal belief. They are uneducated.
6th time now for the pig-headed: Information has no direct relationship to energy; therefore to advance the Law of Conservation of Energy as an argument for continuation has no merit. None. This is not opinion.
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meatables said: I don't believe nor support the idea of reincarnation but I am willing to accept the fact that we don't know... if science can prove yes or no I'd be more than happy to accept those findings... u must agree that there is no evidence for or against the idea of reincarnation... don't refute claims and ideas because u believe them to be uneducated...
Agree.
However, just because science can't disprove something doesn't mean it's possible and we shouldn't dismiss it.
Science can't "disprove" the existence of Santa Claus, but discerning adults (and some discerning children) rule out his existence. I can't "prove" that I don't have an invisible third eye on my forehead, but my powers of discernment permit me to rule out the possibility.
If there were no power of discernment to rely on, we couldn't believe -- or disbelieve -- anything. And what a shitty world that would be.
With regard to the possibility that there's something in the human psyche/being that migrates elsewhere -- or never, in fact, leaves the scene -- after bodily death, I think the idea is compatible with what we know about energy -- that it's never created or destroyed.
It merely migrates elsewhere. Changes form. Or stays put, invisible and undetectable by us.
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don't refute claims and ideas because u believe them to be uneducated...
Has nothing to do with my personal belief. They are uneducated.
6th time now for the pig-headed: Information has no direct relationship to energy; therefore to advance the Law of Conservation of Energy as an argument for continuation has no merit. None. This is not opinion.
Its a nitpick at a scientific definition of energy. Really.
Reincarnation itself is being so undefined and broad that to merely say the word is not saying much at all.
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Yogi1]
#19101590 - 11/07/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its a nitpick at a scientific definition of energy.
This is the type of retardation I rail against. The Law Of Conservation of Energy is highly specific as to terms and equations and is not subject to the uneducated reinterpreting it on-the-fly it to make a non-point about some favored hypothesis.
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
#19101658 - 11/07/13 04:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why are you guys talking about "something there which is unknown" and the like Vague statements without support make you look unintelligent  Are you trying to say that there is some sort of post-death life? As I've already outlined, this is supported by science, and verified by simple observations of the world around us.
Here's an experiment for you spiritual folk to try: Go outside and kill a small, wild rodent (in compliance with laws in your area). Return 24 hours later. Observe all the things which have consumed - and may still be consuming - the carcass. Here is your glorious life after death
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Scarab74 said: I respectfully disagree.
Think about information transmitted by a cpu to another cpu via the Internet. Information (0's and1's) from a cpu is converted into electrical voltage (+5/-5) to be converted by a diode into light impulses tranported through a fiber-optic cable to be converted back into electrical voltage which is translated and executed by a cpu to be then dissipated into the atmosphere as heat which is captured in some way and recycled.
I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.
This is interesting to take into account, but the neurons which send and interpret the electricity in your brain rapidly decay for eight hours after death.
If someone is really dedicated to the notion that their existing consciousness should exist after their body decays, they should make efforts to forward technology which could transfer, interpret, and store the brain's information digitally. They should also make efforts to create software which could provide a virtual shell of a brain to think using information from your physical one. Think about it guys, we could theoretically clone "souls"!
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Its a nitpick at a scientific definition of energy.
This is the type of retardation I rail against. The Law Of Conservation of Energy is highly specific as to terms and equations and is not subject to the uneducated reinterpreting it on-the-fly it to make a non-point about some favored hypothesis.
No I mean your thinking of a completely different concept than some of the other people here are.
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TryinToTrip said: Why are you guys talking about "something there which is unknown" and the like Vague statements without support make you look unintelligent  Are you trying to say that there is some sort of post-death life? As I've already outlined, this is supported by science, and verified by simple observations of the world around us.
Here's an experiment for you spiritual folk to try: Go outside and kill a small, wild rodent (in compliance with laws in your area). Return 24 hours later. Observe all the things which have consumed - and may still be consuming - the carcass. Here is your glorious life after death
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Scarab74 said: I respectfully disagree.
Think about information transmitted by a cpu to another cpu via the Internet. Information (0's and1's) from a cpu is converted into electrical voltage (+5/-5) to be converted by a diode into light impulses tranported through a fiber-optic cable to be converted back into electrical voltage which is translated and executed by a cpu to be then dissipated into the atmosphere as heat which is captured in some way and recycled.
I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.
This is interesting to take into account, but the neurons which send and interpret the electricity in your brain rapidly decay for eight hours after death.
If someone is really dedicated to the notion that their existing consciousness should exist after their body decays, they should make efforts to forward technology which could transfer, interpret, and store the brain's information digitally. They should also make efforts to create software which could provide a virtual shell of a brain to think using information from your physical one. Think about it guys, we could theoretically clone "souls"!
I like this guy, he smart. Orgone done went twinkies in here.
Edit- we can clone physical matter with the right tech, so cloning people in their entirety would be a matter of time.
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Yogi1]
#19101716 - 11/07/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yogi1 said: I like this guy, he smart. Orgone done went twinkies in here.
Edit- we can clone physical matter with the right tech, so cloning people in their entirety would be a matter of time.
Thanks!
I think digital cloning would benefit us more in the long run. We could create shared virtual realities that give legitimate equality to all people, with laws pertaining to science that would prevent death and physical harm of each other.
Or we could create personal virtual realities where we could just do whatever
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Yogi1]
#19101735 - 11/07/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Read, study, learn!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
Note that there is only ONE legitimate interpretation.
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So what was your point? You think that consciousness is neither matter nor energy but instead is information? or "the result of informational processing of the brain" ?
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He who assumes understanding of spirit to be something that is learned on a level of science rather than on an exclusive level of it's own is uneducated and spiritless indeed!
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OrgoneConclusion
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So what was your point?
I was very clear ever single time. Which part are you struggling with that I have not made very explicit? And please leave the straw-men outside.
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I'm certain Yogi already knew this, I can't remember not knowing such information. How does this relate to electricity being a form of energy which can be interpreted as data?
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OrgoneConclusion said: Read, study, learn!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
Note that there is only ONE legitimate interpretation.
Ha. I love how pissed you're getting because people arent agreeing with you.
I'm atheist but hell really no reason to yell at people because one person described a personal different take on said theory. That was 1 person in the thread.
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Duncan Rowhl said: He who assumes understanding of spirit to be something that is learned on a level of science rather than on an exclusive level of it's own is uneducated and spiritless indeed! 
I used to believe in evolution - then I read some posts here.
Here is the lowdown: don't attempt to use science that you don't understand to make a case for which it does not apply.
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Duncan Rowhl said: He who assumes understanding of spirit to be something that is learned on a level of science rather than on an exclusive level of it's own is uneducated and spiritless indeed! 
I remember how awful it was living my life in denial
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Yogi1]
#19101895 - 11/07/13 05:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That was 1 person in the thread.
One person points out an error and other 5 others jump on him for educating and back up the person making the error. That is plain moronic.
Facts are not consensual. They stand alone.
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