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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
    #19097338 - 11/06/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Information is not energy and does not get reclaimed.

Feels like grade school in here.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19097462 - 11/06/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I respectfully disagree.

Think about information transmitted by a cpu to another cpu via the Internet.  Information (0's and1's) from a cpu is converted into electrical voltage (+5/-5) to be converted by a diode into light impulses tranported through a fiber-optic cable to be converted back into electrical voltage which is translated and executed by a cpu to be then dissipated into the atmosphere as heat which is captured in some way and recycled.

I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
    #19098359 - 11/06/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I don't believe that my being (conciousness) will be preserved intact upon death and transmitted to another vessel capable of utilizing said info in a meaningful or coherent way... just that my being is energy... and when I die it is not going to be destroyed but transformed....

I don't agree with a lot of philosophies on life after death but I do know one thing for sure....

We don't know anything about what happens to our being after our brain looses its ability to produce/use its electricity...

I like to think of what does happen as do many ppl... reincarnation sounds shitty to me though...

Sounds like any other religion... do what I say or suffer the consequences.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
    #19099929 - 11/07/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Scarab74 said:
I respectfully disagree.

Think about information transmitted by a cpu to another cpu via the Internet.  Information (0's and1's) from a cpu is converted into electrical voltage (+5/-5) to be converted by a diode into light impulses tranported through a fiber-optic cable to be converted back into electrical voltage which is translated and executed by a cpu to be then dissipated into the atmosphere as heat which is captured in some way and recycled.

I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.





Haha! Only thing missing from that was, who's in gradeschool now bitch!!
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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
    #19099965 - 11/07/13 11:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.



Good point.

Science tells us that nothing truly gets created or destroyed.  This is a basic tenet of science.  So, where does the internal "stuff" that constitutes you go after you die?

The answer, I think, falls under the category of "forbidden knowledge" to human beings.  If knowing the answer were in the interest of preserving and advancing our species, we'd know the answer and there would be no debate. 

But no one knows, and if someone tells you they know, they're charlatans.  Probably trying to sell you something or make you honor them.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
    #19099986 - 11/07/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Scarab74 said:
I respectfully disagree.

Think about information transmitted by a cpu to another cpu via the Internet.  Information (0's and1's) from a cpu is converted into electrical voltage (+5/-5) to be converted by a diode into light impulses tranported through a fiber-optic cable to be converted back into electrical voltage which is translated and executed by a cpu to be then dissipated into the atmosphere as heat which is captured in some way and recycled.

I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.




:blah:

Disagree all you want and you are still wrong. Energy has a very specific meaning in science, ignoring New Agey hogwash. Perhaps you can tell us how many pico-joules in the word 'reincarnation'. That's right! It makes no sense because there is no equivalency.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: all this beauty]
    #19100007 - 11/07/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.

Good point.

Science tells us that nothing truly gets created or destroyed.  This is a basic tenet of science.  So, where does the internal "stuff" that constitutes you go after you die?






Jesus Christ! What an uneducated group. It is a horrible point. Information does not come under the purview of the Law of Conservation of Energy and Matter. Not even close.



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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19100071 - 11/07/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Jesus Christ! What an uneducated group. It is a horrible point. Information does not come under the purview of the Law of Conservation of Energy and Matter. Not even close.



Wow.  Anger issues.  Hope you're on treatment.  :wink:

Your use of the word "information" serves only your limited insights.  The "stuff" that animates you is more than mere electricity, chemical processes, and "information."

That might come across as mystic mumble-jumble to you -- and if so, that's cool.

Not everyone is mystically-oriented.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: cbub]
    #19100095 - 11/07/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cbub said:
Don't joke around Ice. I saw myself living life of everyone that ever lived, lives and will live... time wasn't really seen as dynamic at that point. The one having the experience was one and the same! The One! And what's worse, I was sober.
I don't know if all of this is true, but I've been trying to live with awarenes of it on my mind as I go... treat everyone as they are me and today it doesn't even matter if it's true or not, but it's a way better life with this attitude for certain.
The only annoying thing is, shortly after everyone started saying 'We're all one'. Not that they weren't before but it just got really trendy for some reason... and nobody has a clue what they're talking about!




Me2, seems that is normal on LSD :-D

I know we are all the same inside, beneath our outer layer

All very similar.. you are me, I am you and everything, everything is one.. equally great soul in every living creature

Also died a few times that night, dont even know how many times, many new lives, many releases from this world and its attachments.. everything changed after that, new person next day and ever since but didnt know at first, my old self just vanished

peace, love, unity , same love in all living creatures , same soul
and same problems we all face in life often.... very very similar problems often

I see myself in everybody often, so I try to treat others like myself like you mention
if I am frustrated about others, I am frustrated about myself :-)


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Scarab74]
    #19100097 - 11/07/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Scarab74 said:
I respectfully disagree.

Think about information transmitted by a cpu to another cpu via the Internet.  Information (0's and1's) from a cpu is converted into electrical voltage (+5/-5) to be converted by a diode into light impulses tranported through a fiber-optic cable to be converted back into electrical voltage which is translated and executed by a cpu to be then dissipated into the atmosphere as heat which is captured in some way and recycled.

I'm not defending the notion of reincarnation per se but simply the notion of conservation of matter & energy.




Great point. :thumbup:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: all this beauty]
    #19100117 - 11/07/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why are you and others trying to pass off total misinformation as factual? That is very uncool.

I have a Masters in EE and a minor in physics. I don't just make shit up to sound deep to other befuddled drop-outs.

Now if you want to actually address my point, I would be happy to consider your information to energy equivalency formula. There might be a Nobel prize in there. Or you could recant your nonsense. Either is fine.


Do an experiment. Take an old CD and smash it to bits with a hammer. All of the matter (and energy) is still there, but the songs have gone bye-bye. Forever. They didn't reincarnate or go to information heaven. The patterns have been destroyed.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19100198 - 11/07/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Much misunderstandings in trying to apply science that's relevant only to the material to spirit. One cheesey, the other chalky. :grin:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19100205 - 11/07/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have three doctorates degrees and a certification from clown school, I said all that so listen to meee!
:curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Yogi1]
    #19100250 - 11/07/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Look, this is very simple. Believe in reincarnation because it appeals to you emotionally, but don't go bringing in some scientific concept that you do not understand properly to support it.

The Laws of Thermodynamics have nothing to do with me or my personality.

Being proud of one's ignorance is just plain sad.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19100300 - 11/07/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The glove does not fit the foot fine fellow. :smirk:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19100337 - 11/07/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why are you and others trying to pass off total misinformation as factual? I have a Masters in EE and a minor in physics. I don't just make shit up to sound deep to other befuddled drop-outs.



I bow to you, O Learned One, and kiss the hem of thy shmata.

All mystics, from all ages, religions and stripes, are unanimous on one point:  There is something "there."

It's veiled and untouchable and unspeakable, but it's there.

Now, you with all your science degrees may wish to believe that that's all hogwash -- and that the "there" goes away upon death, like a banana peel going away after the banana is eaten.

Fine.

Like the old ditty says, "whaddever gets ya through the night...."


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: all this beauty]
    #19100484 - 11/07/13 01:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Increasing the noise level, i.e. not responding to what was actually written, is never helpful. This sort of hand-waving goes on all the time by those who cannot properly address a point.

Several members and a few cheerleaders brought up an invalid scientific argument that was trounced. It has nothing to do with mystics and history and spirituality, but a very specific relationship that was presented and countered.

A person not stuck in ego would refute or recant, or heaven forbid - actually learn something. Those stuck in ego dance around and go off on tangents to distract.



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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
    #19100496 - 11/07/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The glove does not fit the foot fine fellow. :smirk:




The fact that you use Latin in your sig makes me tend to believe that you value education. Is that correct?


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19100588 - 11/07/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's no Latin in my sig but there is a lesson. :grin:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19100589 - 11/07/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Several members and a few cheerleaders brought up an invalid scientific argument that was trounced. It has nothing to do with mystics and history and spirituality, but a very specific relationship that was presented and countered.



I can't speak for anyone else.  Me, I'm simply suggesting that there is a "something" within us that is eternal and does not go away -- like a song on a smashed CD goes away, to use your analogy.  Others have suggested that in this thread, too.  For some reason, the thought seems to freak you out.

I expressed, earlier in this thread, my personal belief that it isn't "me" that hangs around after my body dies.  Not something that can be identified as "me" and that migrates into another living organism.  It's way way too mysterious and wondrous for that.

In my opinion, of course.  :wink:

Answer this question for me, please:

Do you recognize the possibility that there is something mysterious and wondrous out there -- something that science cannot explain or touch?


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