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OfflineSurReality
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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: pirate-blues]
    #19083831 - 11/04/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it depends on the tobacco. its no different from pre-rolled. all depends on the tobacco. you can buy american spirits pre-rolled or loose leaf, both are the same. i'm sure bugler isn't any different form any common cigarrette tobacco.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: SurReality]
    #19083836 - 11/04/13 01:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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volcomstoner, you are silly; no homo.
Have fun livin' in your fantasy-land where nicotine/tobacco isn't bad for you.



Now where did I say that? Please point this out to me.



Besides, nicotine itself is not that bad for you, addictive yes, dangerous no. Lots of other stuff in tobacco smoke




nicotine is extremely dangerous in a pure concentration a few drops on your skin can kill a heavy smoker. one drop can kill a child or elderly...

also if you pointing out other things are unhealthy in tobacco other than nicotine, why can't you understand that nicotine (not tobacco) is not very addictive??

its is very clear that you are not very knowledgeable on nicotine, a subject you appear to have so much interest in. such a shame.



This is like saying LSD is dangerous because if you eat a big crystal of it maybe you could die, or like saying capsaicin is bad because its pure form can burn you.

its is very clear that you are not very knowledgeable on nicotine, a subject you appear to have so much interest in. such a shame.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: NotTheDevil] * 1
    #19083843 - 11/04/13 01:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I see what you did there!!!
And boy wa sit full of :facepalm:


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19083849 - 11/04/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i'm not talking about a big crystal. i'm talking about drops. nicotine is considered a poison, the lethal dose is not much different from the threshold. if you consumed 20 cigarettes worth of nicotine at once you could die without question.

take 20 hits of LSD, and see what happens. i can tell you its intense from my own experience but not physically dangerous.

i'll let other people judge who is more knowledgeable on this, me or you.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: SurReality]
    #19083854 - 11/04/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i'm not talking about a big crystal. i'm talking about drops. nicotine is considered a poison, the lethal dose is not much different from the threshold. if you consumed 20 cigarettes worth of nicotine at once you could die without question.

take 20 hits of LSD, and see what happens. i can tell you its intense from my own experience but not physically dangerous.

i'll let other people judge who is more knowledgeable on this, me or you.



If someone can't recognize nicotine as a poison then they don't know wtf they're talking about.
Isn't nicotine used as a pesticide even? But it kills bugs so that's good right?


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: volcomstoner] * 2
    #19083859 - 11/04/13 01:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too.

Having done every almost every drug known to man, I think sugar is probably the most addictive drug. Nicotine is more addictive than heroin though, IME.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: SurReality]
    #19083861 - 11/04/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i'm not talking about a big crystal. i'm talking about drops. nicotine is considered a poison, the lethal dose is not much different from the threshold. if you consumed 20 cigarettes worth of nicotine at once you could die without question.

take 20 hits of LSD, and see what happens. i can tell you its intense from my own experience but not physically dangerous.

i'll let other people judge who is more knowledgeable on this, me or you.



You experience threshold before one cigarette, try taking twenty times your threshold in drugs where you can actually od on.I have always hated the argument, which is done for many things, that if something in a pure form is potent enough to be dangerous then the substance itself is to. It is easily possible to lethally overdose on many things, and just because that dose fits in a drop, does not make the substance particularly dangerous at a sane dosage.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19083864 - 11/04/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i'm not talking about a big crystal. i'm talking about drops. nicotine is considered a poison, the lethal dose is not much different from the threshold. if you consumed 20 cigarettes worth of nicotine at once you could die without question.

take 20 hits of LSD, and see what happens. i can tell you its intense from my own experience but not physically dangerous.

i'll let other people judge who is more knowledgeable on this, me or you.



If someone can't recognize nicotine as a poison then they don't know wtf they're talking about.
Isn't nicotine used as a pesticide even? But it kills bugs so that's good right?



capsaicin is also used as a pesticide :themoreyouknow:


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: Shroomism]
    #19083865 - 11/04/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: NotTheDevil]
    #19083868 - 11/04/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I never started smoking and hopefully never will, although I smoke so many bongs my lungs are probably screwed anyway


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19083875 - 11/04/13 01:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.




No. You will. There's a reason it says don't exceed 6 pills in 24 hours or whatever on the bottle. Acetaminophen will cause acute liver failure at high doses.

My point was just because a whole lot of one substance can kill you, doesn't mean a normal dose is necessarily very harmful.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: psychodelia]
    #19083878 - 11/04/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I never started smoking and hopefully never will, although I smoke so many bongs my lungs are probably screwed anyway




lol, ya weed has fucked my lungs up for sure.
My stamina while running has gone downhill...


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: Shroomism]
    #19083881 - 11/04/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.




No. You will. There's a reason it says don't exceed 6 pills in 24 hours or whatever on the bottle. Acetaminophen can cause acute liver failure at high doses.

My point was just because a whole lot of one substance can kill you, doesn't mean a normal dose is necessarily very harmful.



Aspiring is acetylsalicylic acid, not acetaminophen.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19083884 - 11/04/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Derp.. I meant acetaminophen.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: Shroomism]
    #19083887 - 11/04/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.




No. You will. There's a reason it says don't exceed 6 pills in 24 hours or whatever on the bottle. Acetaminophen will cause acute liver failure at high doses.




Ummmm, we were talking about aspirin, not acetaminophen
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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: SurReality]
    #19083888 - 11/04/13 01:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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volcomstoner, you are silly; no homo.
Have fun livin' in your fantasy-land where nicotine/tobacco isn't bad for you.



Now where did I say that? Please point this out to me.



Besides, nicotine itself is not that bad for you, addictive yes, dangerous no. Lots of other stuff in tobacco smoke




nicotine is extremely dangerous in a pure concentration a few drops on your skin can kill a heavy smoker. one drop can kill a child or elderly...

also if you pointing out other things are unhealthy in tobacco other than nicotine, why can't you understand that nicotine (not tobacco) is not very addictive??

its is very clear that you are not very knowledgeable on nicotine, a subject you appear to have so much interest in. such a shame.





And you can overdose as I once did on nicotine gum 4mg and a pyramid menthol.

Nicotine itself is a carcinogen AFIAK... the "smoking" RIO is problematic in that it can damage the parts of your cells' DNA that governs apoptosis-> tuuuumors, plus it ages you prematurely.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: Shroomism]
    #19083889 - 11/04/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Derp.. I meant acetaminophen



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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19083890 - 11/04/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Although you can die from aspirin overdose too.. harder to do


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: Shroomism]
    #19083892 - 11/04/13 01:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Shroomism said:
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volcomstoner said:
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Shroomism said:
Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.




No. You will. There's a reason it says don't exceed 6 pills in 24 hours or whatever on the bottle. Acetaminophen will cause acute liver failure at high doses.

My point was just because a whole lot of one substance can kill you, doesn't mean a normal dose is necessarily very harmful.




i never said a normal dose was harmful. quite the contrary actually, i'm actually saying its relatively safe and non addictive in comparison to tobacco comparing both in standard doses.

i was just pointing out that saying its not dangerous is false. aspirin can kill you too with a relatively low doses, i would not say aspirin is not dangerous either.


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Re: "Right now this cigarette feels so good I don't even care if I end up getting cancer." [Re: Shroomism]
    #19083907 - 11/04/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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volcomstoner said:
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Shroomism said:
Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.



even if you don't you'll be in terrible condition, but you probably will. That is assuming were talking about a bottle and not one of those little tube with like 5 pills in it. Clinical evaluation shows it to be life threatening at doses of 500 mg.
But yes being stupid and radically overdosing on drugs is bad and can turn most drugs poisonous, although it does take effort to take twenty times a common dose.
here is one good case
Smoking excessive amounts of tobacco has also led to poisoning; a case was reported where two brothers smoked 17 and 18 pipes of tobacco in succession and were both fatally poisoned
and yet
The probable lethal dose of nicotine has been reported as between 40 and 60 milligrams (the total amount in about 2 cigarettes if all of the nicotine was absorbed) in adults and about 1 mg/kg in children (less than 1 cigarette)

The simple and best solution assuming one will ingest any nicotine is to not radically overdose on it
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Shroomism said:
Take a bottle of aspirin and you'll die too. 



Doubt it.




No. You will. There's a reason it says don't exceed 6 pills in 24 hours or whatever on the bottle. Acetaminophen can cause acute liver failure at high doses.

My point was just because a whole lot of one substance can kill you, doesn't mean a normal dose is necessarily very harmful.



Aspiring is acetylsalicylic acid, not acetaminophen.



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Derp.. I meant acetaminophen.




Acetaminophen was meant as a separate example, right?


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