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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: psyconaught] * 2
    #19081201 - 11/03/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Most of the posters here are ignorant commie morons who have no clue about Milton Friedman


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081410 - 11/03/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

like i said its my bad for making a silly assumption haha. The post was more directed at the OP since he quoted friedman earlier i assumed his knowledge


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19081471 - 11/03/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The Friedman they are most familiar with is Thomas, an unapologetiic admirer of fascism


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081528 - 11/03/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'm a big David Friedman fan.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19081691 - 11/03/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Until I choose to take your property by force...after all, who's going to stop me?



What's preventing private security forces from functioning?
I am not an anarchist, but can see how anarcho-capitalism could be argued for. Having lived in South Africa, private armed response had cost about $15 a month, and from my own experience, they are pretty effective. The private security industry in South Africa essentially run as a private police service, being larger than their police force and military combined.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Fronnis]
    #19081727 - 11/03/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Until I choose to take your property by force...after all, who's going to stop me?



What's preventing private security forces from functioning?
I am not an anarchist, but can see how anarcho-capitalism could be argued for. Having lived in South Africa, private armed response had cost about $15 a month, and from my own experience, they are pretty effective. The private security industry in South Africa essentially run as a private police service, being larger than their police force and military combined.



Very interesting. Thank you for bringing this up. I need to check it out.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Fronnis]
    #19081751 - 11/03/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That was in the context of a society with a government, though.  Private security only works until the protectors realize they can take the money much easier than they can protect someone with money.  Human nature is to seek the strongest incentive and/or avoid the strongest disincentive.  If they don't have a structure in place that disincentivizes violence and aggression, both will be used regularly to improve one's position in life.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Enlil]
    #19081762 - 11/03/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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That was in the context of a society with a government, though.  Private security only works until the protectors realize they can take the money much easier than they can protect someone with money.  Human nature is to seek the strongest incentive and/or avoid the strongest disincentive.  If they don't have a structure in place that disincentivizes violence and aggression, both will be used regularly to improve one's position in life.



That is why competition is so important. You support a monopoly over security forces. Nothing counters the state.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19081777 - 11/03/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

And I bet they aren't bothering people for marijuana possession or other victimless crimes. If they started to get out of hand, people would stop paying them and start paying their competitors.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: MaxwellSmart]
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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19081836 - 11/03/13 06:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It doesn't work so well for the majority in South Africa who cannot afford to live let alone pay for security. I think the intention to allow such an industry to operate was to lower costs to fund state service.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19081852 - 11/03/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The end result is that the strongest gang will rule.  It'll still be a government.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #19081854 - 11/03/13 06:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The end result is that the strongest gang will rule.  It'll still be a government.




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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19081925 - 11/03/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In the case of South Africa, your opinion is that one company would win over the ~9000 others and a population with many bearing arms?


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Fronnis]
    #19081937 - 11/03/13 06:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

South Africa is irrelevant to this discussion..  that is a nation of laws with a government.  This thread is about anarchy which, by definition, has no government.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Enlil]
    #19081969 - 11/03/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I meant in the hypothetical situation of it undergoing a state of anarchy, having extensive private security already being established.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Fronnis]
    #19081988 - 11/03/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If the government dissolved, yes, the strongest gang would rule.  It would probably be a gang formed by a coalition of gangs.  Either way, they would be the new rulers, and the government would be one of tyranny.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: Enlil]
    #19082020 - 11/03/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If the government dissolved, yes, the strongest gang would rule.  It would probably be a gang formed by a coalition of gangs.  Either way, they would be the new rulers, and the government would be one of tyranny.





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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19082178 - 11/03/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't mind paying state taxes because I live there. Property taxes are a racket AKA theft, federal taxes are the same thing theft because our government miss handles tax money they need to dig deeper into our pockets. The IRS and the federal reserve are private companies for the banks of America the rich family's who really run this country. Find the law that says you have to pay federal taxes... there isn't one but you will be prosecuted for failure to pay. Federal taxes were set up temporarily to get us out of the great depression but were still paying them today...it's a racket.


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Re: Fellow Anarchists? [Re: T-Funkadelic]
    #19082191 - 11/03/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Wow..you're completely wrong.  Property taxes pay for many municipal services.

And yes, there is a law that says you have to pay income taxes.

And the irs and federal reserve are agencies of the federal government...not private companies.


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