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Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is?
    #19081918 - 11/03/13 06:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Three points of view that could be popular in society -

1) A lot of college graduates are reporting more debt now than before and not being able to find jobs that match their degrees.

2) If you go for something like engineering or computer programming you're chances of having worthwhile job prospects is pretty high if you do well in that field

3) If you're an entrepreneurial type of person that money could be better spent building a business.

That said there does seem to be a big number of people not being able to get good jobs after graduating and being left with huge debt, so in that case it seems like there might be some better options.



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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: skatealex2] * 2
    #19081931 - 11/03/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the problem is people going into college looking to get a job that was popular back in the day. But our economy has changed and we make money in different ways now, so you just have to pick a relevant degree for the times.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: dontknow] * 1
    #19081959 - 11/03/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think the problem is people going into college looking to get a job that was popular back in the day. But our economy has changed and we make money in different ways now, so you just have to pick a relevant degree for the times.




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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: robbyberto]
    #19081972 - 11/03/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its nice to put off having to work a mundane job for 4 more years if your not footing the bill. If you are then it depends what your going for. Id say if you wanted to be a scientist it would be worth it to go to college.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19081974 - 11/03/13 06:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It depends on what you want to do with your life, but in general I think the answer is a definite yes.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: Tripbin]
    #19081981 - 11/03/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Its nice to put off having to work a mundane job for 4 more years if your not footing the bill. If you are then it depends what your going for. Id say if you wanted to be a scientist it would be worth it to go to college.



BSc don't really have great job prospects either nowadays.  Engineering of computer science are by far your best bet at a high-paying career with just an undergrad.  With most other degrees you're probably looking at getting a masters.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19082000 - 11/03/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You either need a real scholarship or a mom and pop scholarship.

Otherwise you're $20,000 down

And it ain't like it used to be

The banks are intent on making that debt fuck you for life.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #19082139 - 11/03/13 07:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If your parents are footing the bill then do the college route if you are going yourself I would put it off and work a mundane job.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19082229 - 11/03/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I like college because of the experience, but it's a real pain in the ass because what 18 year old knows what they want to do with theirlife, so a lot of money gets wasted towards just figuring out what you want for a career.

I think the amount of debt college puts you in is rediculous and could use some refining. Also, it takes so long to get a degree meant for certain fields, by the time you get it the demand for that job could have changed completely.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19082258 - 11/03/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Three points of view that could be popular in society -

1) A lot of college graduates are reporting more debt now than before and not being able to find jobs that match their degrees.

2) If you go for something like engineering or computer programming you're chances of having worthwhile job prospects is pretty high if you do well in that field

3) If you're an entrepreneurial type of person that money could be better spent building a business.

That said there does seem to be a big number of people not being able to get good jobs after graduating and being left with huge debt, so in that case it seems like there might be some better options.








It seems to me that you are assuming that every person is after the attainment of a job in order to satisfy their debt.

Some people study for the sake of knowledge. The things that can be discovered are amazing.

Secondly, even if you had to pay off debt I think it could be a worth while effort. But that depends on the person. Some people enjoy an education. They enjoy satisfying stimulational needs and enjoy to explore personal interests that are typically studied at a university. Other people enjoy different stimuli; they like working with cars or growing crops.


More importantly you forget that school doesn't have to leave you with debt. I am currently paying for my school with cash. Just don't expect to go to some fancy school. Small state schools offer quality education for cheap prices.


I personally love school. I plan to remain in school for the better part of my life; even if it's just one class here and there. I love to explore new ideas and the environment is perfect for it. Colleges are a breeding ground for ideas.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
    #19082271 - 11/03/13 07:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Once I get completely set up here in washington I want to go to a community college and get at least a 2 year degree under my belt. I wouldn't go to a huge school too expensive. I definitely wouldn't mind going to a community college though hell of a lot cheaper as well.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19082297 - 11/03/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

people saying college is worthless either did shitty or got a worthless degree.

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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight] * 2
    #19082366 - 11/03/13 08:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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people saying college is worthless either did shitty or got a worthless degree.

just say'n



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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19082384 - 11/03/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed I wish I would have stayed in when I was going basically for free besides books in alaska.

Was too into drugs and didn't really care for it. Which sucks because I would have graduated last year with a major in accounting minor business.

Got a 3.4 the year I went. I'm a dumbass :facepalm:


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19082398 - 11/03/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In my opinion, even if you cant afford state/private 4+ year collage, it's nearly always worth it to at least go for 2 years for an associates from a community collage. Then, if you still want a bachelors, it's only 2 more years from a state or private school, which will save you a lot of moolah. Even if you choose to stick with your associates and never educate yourself further, you've still got enough education to make almost as much as bachelors graduates anyway. Don't knock associates degrees, they can be valuable.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082415 - 11/03/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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people saying college is worthless either did shitty or got a worthless degree.

just say'n




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College is worth it if you pick something relevant to the actual job market:

-Anywhere in medical
-Trade skills
-Business
-Computer science / programming
-Law
-etc

But I see it all the fucking time "Oh I'm going for a liberal arts degree, but I'm not sure what I'm going to do with it."

Its like holy fuck, you're wasting thousands of dollars to get something that will land you the same damn job if you didn't have it in the first place.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19082419 - 11/03/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

MOOC are something people should look into. although the experience of college very good if you don't really know what you want to do, because its a concentration of many different majors you can learn from many different people...

all in all, if i probably would have rather just gotten a job near a college and spent my free time there. you can even just go to classes and meet people at the beginning of the semester, people don't know if you signed up or not


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Synthe]
    #19082421 - 11/03/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yea community for my associates is definitely in my 2 year plan.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Uzziel]
    #19082436 - 11/03/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

everything is relative. i got an AA, and it has helped quite a bit.

i'm saving up and might try to pay my way to go back and get a BS in metallurgy or materials science at a decent uni.

Education is always its own reward but definitely be pragmatic about it.

As the military saying goes - fail to plan, plan to fail.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: JesusIsLord] * 1
    #19082445 - 11/03/13 08:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

also important to note that a college's purpose is to educate, not to get you a job.  They will teach you almost anything you want.

just because they offer a degree doesn't mean it's worthwhile or that you will make a living with it.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082454 - 11/03/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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also important to note that a college's purpose is to educate, not to get you a job.  They will teach you almost anything you want.

just because they offer a degree doesn't mean it's worthwhile or that you will make a living with it.



except for trade schools and a large amount of degrees that literally train and teach you the types of skills you will do for a particular job. :derp:


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19082458 - 11/03/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

trade school =/= college


not even saying anything bad about trade school, just saying they are not the same thing


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082479 - 11/03/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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trade school =/= college


not even saying anything bad about trade school, just saying they are not the same thing



post secondary education is college. which includes community college/trade school/university. you'll notice there aren't really any schools out there called trade schools, just community "colleges" that teach trades. :shrug:


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082485 - 11/03/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you have a fulltime job you can't even go to college

my friends spend like 5 years just in community


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
    #19082492 - 11/03/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ah, looks like college means different things depending on where you live, just looked it up.  :shrug:


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082497 - 11/03/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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also important to note that a college's purpose is to educate, not to get you a job.  They will teach you almost anything you want.

just because they offer a degree doesn't mean it's worthwhile or that you will make a living with it.




Yes, this is a good point. You should be networking in college. Talking to your professors 1 on 1 in your major is a good way to start. You can also get them to reference for you which is a major plus.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082520 - 11/03/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ah, looks like college means different things depending on where you live, just looked it up.  :shrug:




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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap] * 3
    #19082530 - 11/03/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you have a fulltime job you can't even go to college

my friends spend like 5 years just in community



Really because I have had family who worked 36/hr weeks through college



Granted they probably had no lives but they did achieve it


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Synthe] * 1
    #19082542 - 11/03/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a 9-5 and college is like water on a hot stove


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: JesusIsLord]
    #19082547 - 11/03/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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trade school =/= college


not even saying anything bad about trade school, just saying they are not the same thing



post secondary education is college. which includes community college/trade school/university. you'll notice there aren't really any schools out there called trade schools, just community "colleges" that teach trades. :shrug:



I always thought that the Canadian definitions made a lot more sense.  College == trades, university == degrees


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19082555 - 11/03/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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ah, looks like college means different things depending on where you live, just looked it up.  :shrug:




share what you learned mebe :taco:



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I always though that the Canadian definitions made a lot more sense.  College == trades, university == degrees



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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19082568 - 11/03/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Depends what you wanna do. It does open a lot of doors and sometimes I regret not having pursued a higher education because lack of one has denied me opportunities like joining the peace corp, and teaching English abroad most places. Honestly though, the academic life was never for me, so all in all, I don't regret my decisions.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: NWlight]
    #19082577 - 11/03/13 08:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Even if I did do all that work I wouldn't even be able to live on my own..

sitting at home I get to take as many classes as I want, could I work 20 hours a week yeah I definitely would if I wasn't force to work up until 4am lol

I mean if you work fulltime every week, I'm pretty skeptical that you'd take more then two real classes


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with the economy how it is? [Re: Soulidarity]
    #19082647 - 11/03/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It depends on what you want to do with your life, but in general I think the answer is a definite yes.



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    #19083780 - 11/04/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck no it's not.  I quit that in a heartbeat after realizing how worthless it all is.  Am in technical school for welding now.  Going to kick ass and take names once i'm certified.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: d00d557]
    #19084488 - 11/04/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

different strokes for different folks
it benefits many, but also can fuck things up
I find a lot of the information can be found soley from books depending on the study
I am taking a break from it right now
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: thelanzii]
    #19084579 - 11/04/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.

While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees. If your an entrepreneur in that field you are pretty garanteed to make 100k+ per year. Everybody wants to sit in an office, therefore it has become a minimum salary job.

The best way to go of course is starting a business, you can't go wrong with that. Governments around the world give tax breaks, incentives and lollipops to entrepreneurs.

Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.


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    #19084593 - 11/04/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Universities are crawling with students.

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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: jewunit]
    #19084595 - 11/04/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Universities are crawling with students.

Incredible observation.




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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: jewunit]
    #19084605 - 11/04/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most
important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money
as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19084611 - 11/04/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most
important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money
as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.



You can thank the federal government for the skyrocketing cost of education due to easy access of student loans. Make it harder to get a loan college costs will stabilize.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19084625 - 11/04/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Gilgamesh18 said:
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DeadHearts said:
Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most
important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money
as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.



You can thank the federal government for the skyrocketing cost of education due to easy access of student loans. Make it harder to get a loan college costs will stabilize.





That's all fine and dandy for some who can get the loans. Then you have even more who don't attend
college. That could be a good thing for the trade programs but I don't think that is beneficial.
An education should not cost so much period.

And I think the federal GOV at this point should hold about zero to no credibility to most now days
anyway. The whole fucking thing should be blown up. It is such a disservice to the people of this
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19084635 - 11/04/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Due to easy credit college costs have risen exponentially if credit was harder to get colleges would have an incentive to lower costs to keep attendance up. Also community college/trade schools are relatively affordable even now so I don't think it would be that bad.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19084662 - 11/04/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Id also think it would help to change the system around a bit as well. So many pre req classes that may or may not have anything to do with what you are trying to do with your future career.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19084670 - 11/04/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I could get behind that many pre reqs are obvious cash grabs by the institutions.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19084676 - 11/04/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yea I could get behind that many pre reqs are obvious cash grabs by the institutions.





That alone would get me back into school in a flash. Just for the hell of it.

I reject school for many reasons now days but mainly because Im an artist for better or for worse.
I will either succeed or battle it out for the rest of my life. Very content with it.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19084682 - 11/04/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice man good luck with your artistic endevours


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
    #19084904 - 11/04/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DeadHearts said:
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Gilgamesh18 said:
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DeadHearts said:
Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most
important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money
as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.



You can thank the federal government for the skyrocketing cost of education due to easy access of student loans. Make it harder to get a loan college costs will stabilize.





That's all fine and dandy for some who can get the loans. Then you have even more who don't attend
college. That could be a good thing for the trade programs but I don't think that is beneficial.
An education should not cost so much period.

And I think the federal GOV at this point should hold about zero to no credibility to most now days
anyway. The whole fucking thing should be blown up. It is such a disservice to the people of this
country.




"Then you have even more who don't attend college."

That's a good thing, having more people going to college is a waste of resources.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
    #19085006 - 11/04/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Even if I did do all that work I wouldn't even be able to live on my own..

sitting at home I get to take as many classes as I want, could I work 20 hours a week yeah I definitely would if I wasn't force to work up until 4am lol

I mean if you work fulltime every week, I'm pretty skeptical that you'd take more then two real classes




I work fulltime and go to school. You have to find the right job. Or you have to find the right jobs.

You can work two part time jobs and work fulltime by scheduling them over the weekends. Your talking to a guy living in living room, doors blanketed off, a radiator and my books. It's just cold, but my point is that living can be cheapened by certain habits. Using blankets and radiators to cut down on gas costs, not flushing as much, watching water usage, turning off the lights and using oil lamps(if you can find a comparable price on wicks and oil).

This is a challenge that comes with being a student, or at least that is how I see it. One of the doctors in the psych department often tells us about her student years. That she was a starved student living on the brink.

It can be a sacrifice. Nobody said it was easy. I maintain that it can lead to personal enlightenment. You are handed down skills developed by Doctors of philosophy and those skills are put in your hands to use however you will. Rich or poor, writer or math teacher, humanist or anarchist, feminist or pacifist.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
    #19085020 - 11/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Moving out to me is living in someones backyard shed while the game is on.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
    #19085973 - 11/04/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moving out to me is living in someones backyard shed while the game is on.




Nice.

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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
    #19089036 - 11/05/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Moving out to me is living in someones backyard shed while the game is on.



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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Patlal]
    #19089191 - 11/05/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.

While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees. If your an entrepreneur in that field you are pretty garanteed to make 100k+ per year. Everybody wants to sit in an office, therefore it has become a minimum salary job.

The best way to go of course is starting a business, you can't go wrong with that. Governments around the world give tax breaks, incentives and lollipops to entrepreneurs.

Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.




I agree with you that entrepreneurship is where its at. But you dont have to limit yourself to the fields you have mentionned. Some people of my university funded a biotech company with a strict minimum of cash invested. They produce recombinant proteins for alot of research groups. And now they are growing fast, they took the risks and it was worthwhile

I'd say that engineering and computer science are fields that are guaranteed to grant you a confortable seat to gain fat.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: d00d557]
    #19089241 - 11/05/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Fuck no it's not.  I quit that in a heartbeat after realizing how worthless it all is.  Am in technical school for welding now.  Going to kick ass and take names once I'm certified.



Me too you just going for a cert or going for a degree? Have you taken any of the S.E.N.S.E test yet? Things are hard as fuck all. Epically the G.T.A.W shit fucking tig .


I should be done with my A.S next early summer assuming I dont get this  3 year apprenticeship for my local iron-workers come January.


Either way Ill be making an insane amount of money  :monopoly:


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19089280 - 11/05/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.




I never said that.

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Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.




This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.

It makes me sad that many people do not see studying as a means of simply learning.

I am currently breaking myself to pay for college yet my motivation is the craving for knowledge, not so much the job I will get. Thus far the university has brought me to a sort of enlightened state of mind.



Many people argue that you may be equally able to study by yourself and get similar effects, which I can only agree with to an extent. I think that a private path of instruction is better suited for people who seem to have a high level of natural intellect. On the other hand I believe that studying under doctors and next to peers is simply priceless to the average person.


Studying for the sake of knowledge and self improvement.:thumbup:



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While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees




Based on no data at all. :shrug:


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
    #19089295 - 11/05/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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XUL said:
This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.

It makes me sad that many people do not see studying as a means of simply learning.



This thread is about whether or not university is worth it.  For most people, coming out $50 000+ in debt with no clear path to a high-paying career means it's not worth it.

Sure, learning is great, but if you're poor as fuck for the rest of your life because of it the vast majority of people would consider that not worth it.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
    #19089324 - 11/05/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.




I never said that.





Nobody cares what you said


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Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.




This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.






University enrollment goes up every year. Universities are crawling with students


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While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees




Based on no data at all. :shrug:




The statement you just made is based on no data at all. You have no idea if I looked it up or not.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19089341 - 11/05/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Who is the vast majority?

And what do you consider worth? I think growing as a person can mean just as much as a salary. I agree that a certain salary would be nice to have. I would like one. But I also have learned something in school that a plumbing job might not be able to offer someone.

Why not do both?


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
    #19089350 - 11/05/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Every year spent in school the unfinished degree rate remains at a steady 25% :P

To say only 33% of people complete college isn't that far off from the truth, in some degrees it's like 90%
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
    #19089354 - 11/05/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For example 200 people in class today may only be 20 graduates come graduation time


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
    #19089406 - 11/05/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who is the vast majority?

And what do you consider worth? I think growing as a person can mean just as much as a salary. I agree that a certain salary would be nice to have. I would like one. But I also have learned something in school that a plumbing job might not be able to offer someone.

Why not do both?




Here, alot of my friends got degrees in anthropology, sociology, philosophy.

They often go back to the roots and learn manual labor jobs like electricity, plumbing, carpentry. This way they fullfill themselves with the knowledge they wanted and do the things that they wanted after.One doesnt need to stick to a standardized path.

However, some people dont value the intellectual knowledge as much and prefer to stay on the school benches for the fewer years possible


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19089419 - 11/05/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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XUL said:
This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.

It makes me sad that many people do not see studying as a means of simply learning.



This thread is about whether or not university is worth it.  For most people, coming out $50 000+ in debt with no clear path to a high-paying career means it's not worth it.

Sure, learning is great, but if you're poor as fuck for the rest of your life because of it the vast majority of people would consider that not worth it.



Yeah if your goal is just the learning itself then a better option might be to just buy some used textbooks and crash lectures on things you're interested in, unless you're already rich enough to shell out that kind of money on tuition without having any trouble paying it off. If you're getting everything paid for with scholarships, you also wouldn't have to worry as much about whether or not it's going to help you make more money. For everyone else, it makes sense to put some serious thought into how and when you're going to be able to pay off the debt you're generating.

Personally I went to university for a while and quit when I realized I didn't have a plan for paying off the debt and wasn't putting in enough effort to do well. Now that I'm older I'm thinking about returning. Computer science was one thing I thought about but I'm not sure how well I would do. Nursing and teaching are also things I'm considering.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Amphibolos]
    #19089476 - 11/05/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However, some people dont value the intellectual knowledge as much and prefer to stay on the school benches for the fewer years possible




That, and the experiences that college/education can bring.  Meeting with brilliant minds can often provide really valuable perspective that will be with you throughout life.  Not everyone will pursue that type of development in college.

You can't calculate that type of "value" in a tuition fee.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: badchad]
    #19089543 - 11/05/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For everyone else, it makes sense to put some serious thought into how and when you're going to be able to pay off the debt you're generating.




I work full time to pay for my school and live. It's all about strategy.

:hank:


Plus, you can go part time if you want.






Amphibilos,

Tell your friend with an anthropology degree to look into gas companies. Jobs are booming in Pennsylvania and Ohio. You can do independent contracting or work for a company. You just have to be good is all; to find someone who will train you. These drilling companies like history and anthropology majors. Even English majors since you will be spending lots of time with documents in the courthouse.

Pretty much these companies will contract you with any degree as long as you can do the work.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19089949 - 11/05/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread is about whether or not university is worth it.  For most people, coming out $50 000+ in debt with no clear path to a high-paying career means it's not worth it.

Sure, learning is great, but if you're poor as fuck for the rest of your life because of it the vast majority of people would consider that not worth it.




In the US you only have to pay back what you can afford.  This is calculated as 15% of above relative poverty rate earnings.  After 25 years the balance is forgiven (10 years if you work for special non-profits)  Basically, if you dont get a high paying job you dont have to pay back your loans.  This is a kind of "student loan bailout" (my words) that was implemented only a few years back.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DieCommie]
    #19089956 - 11/05/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This thread is about whether or not university is worth it.  For most people, coming out $50 000+ in debt with no clear path to a high-paying career means it's not worth it.

Sure, learning is great, but if you're poor as fuck for the rest of your life because of it the vast majority of people would consider that not worth it.




In the US you only have to pay back what you can afford.  This is calculated as 15% of above relative poverty rate earnings.  After 25 years the balance is forgiven (10 years if you work for special non-profits)  Basically, if you dont get a high paying job you dont have to pay back your loans.  This is a kind of "student loan bailout" (my words) that was implemented only a few years back.



25 years is a looooong time.  If you end up at $0 net worth 25 years after finishing school you're going to be working until the day you drop.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DieCommie]
    #19089960 - 11/05/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

DieCommie! I was wondering what became of you man. Are you a bitcoin millionaire now?


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19089963 - 11/05/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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25 years is a looooong time.  If you end up at $0 net worth 25 years after finishing school you're going to be working until the day you drop.





Most people work till the day they drop.  But it doesnt matter what your net worth is...  In the US you only have to pay off 15% of your above relative poverty earnings.  You are still free to save, invest etc.


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    #19089970 - 11/05/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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DieCommie! I was wondering what became of you man. Are you a bitcoin millionaire now?




Note quite, but I have done pretty well.


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    #19089977 - 11/05/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, ok.  Still though, that's not a good deal.  I'm certainly not going to be working till the day I die unless things go horribly wrong.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19089982 - 11/05/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ah, ok.  Still though, that's not a good deal.  I'm certainly not going to be working till the day I die unless things go horribly wrong.




I think its a great deal, great for the student at least.  It mitigates the risk associated with student loans.  You can still be middle class no matter how much loans you take out.  It is a shittie deal for society who has to pay for it though, and I dont see it being sustainable.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #19089986 - 11/05/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is all about specialization. If you get a BS in biology there is going to be high competition and chances are you will end up with a low paying entry job in biology or working in a completely unrelated field. If you specialize in remote sensing and GIS analysis though your odds are going to be much better for getting a good job. The thing is that community and technical colleges actually offer more options for specialization than traditional universities and they are offered at a fraction of the cost.


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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie! I was wondering what became of you man. Are you a bitcoin millionaire now?




Note quite, but I have done pretty well.




Cool, good to see you posting here again.


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