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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
#19084611 - 11/04/13 09:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.
You can thank the federal government for the skyrocketing cost of education due to easy access of student loans. Make it harder to get a loan college costs will stabilize.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19084625 - 11/04/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.
You can thank the federal government for the skyrocketing cost of education due to easy access of student loans. Make it harder to get a loan college costs will stabilize.
That's all fine and dandy for some who can get the loans. Then you have even more who don't attend college. That could be a good thing for the trade programs but I don't think that is beneficial. An education should not cost so much period.
And I think the federal GOV at this point should hold about zero to no credibility to most now days anyway. The whole fucking thing should be blown up. It is such a disservice to the people of this country.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
#19084635 - 11/04/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Due to easy credit college costs have risen exponentially if credit was harder to get colleges would have an incentive to lower costs to keep attendance up. Also community college/trade schools are relatively affordable even now so I don't think it would be that bad.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19084662 - 11/04/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Id also think it would help to change the system around a bit as well. So many pre req classes that may or may not have anything to do with what you are trying to do with your future career.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
#19084670 - 11/04/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea I could get behind that many pre reqs are obvious cash grabs by the institutions.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19084676 - 11/04/13 09:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Yea I could get behind that many pre reqs are obvious cash grabs by the institutions.
That alone would get me back into school in a flash. Just for the hell of it.
I reject school for many reasons now days but mainly because Im an artist for better or for worse. I will either succeed or battle it out for the rest of my life. Very content with it.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
#19084682 - 11/04/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice man good luck with your artistic endevours
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: DeadHearts]
#19084904 - 11/04/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said: Not worth it at all. The fact that education costs keep skyrocketing even though its one of the most important things in society makes me reject the whole thing. They are clearly sucking as much money as possible out of people and it has become disgusting.
You can thank the federal government for the skyrocketing cost of education due to easy access of student loans. Make it harder to get a loan college costs will stabilize.
That's all fine and dandy for some who can get the loans. Then you have even more who don't attend college. That could be a good thing for the trade programs but I don't think that is beneficial. An education should not cost so much period.
And I think the federal GOV at this point should hold about zero to no credibility to most now days anyway. The whole fucking thing should be blown up. It is such a disservice to the people of this country.
"Then you have even more who don't attend college."
That's a good thing, having more people going to college is a waste of resources.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
#19085006 - 11/04/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: Even if I did do all that work I wouldn't even be able to live on my own..
sitting at home I get to take as many classes as I want, could I work 20 hours a week yeah I definitely would if I wasn't force to work up until 4am lol
I mean if you work fulltime every week, I'm pretty skeptical that you'd take more then two real classes
I work fulltime and go to school. You have to find the right job. Or you have to find the right jobs.
You can work two part time jobs and work fulltime by scheduling them over the weekends. Your talking to a guy living in living room, doors blanketed off, a radiator and my books. It's just cold, but my point is that living can be cheapened by certain habits. Using blankets and radiators to cut down on gas costs, not flushing as much, watching water usage, turning off the lights and using oil lamps(if you can find a comparable price on wicks and oil).
This is a challenge that comes with being a student, or at least that is how I see it. One of the doctors in the psych department often tells us about her student years. That she was a starved student living on the brink.
It can be a sacrifice. Nobody said it was easy. I maintain that it can lead to personal enlightenment. You are handed down skills developed by Doctors of philosophy and those skills are put in your hands to use however you will. Rich or poor, writer or math teacher, humanist or anarchist, feminist or pacifist.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
#19085020 - 11/04/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moving out to me is living in someones backyard shed while the game is on.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
#19085973 - 11/04/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: Moving out to me is living in someones backyard shed while the game is on.
Nice.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
#19089036 - 11/05/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Patlal]
#19089191 - 11/05/13 09:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.
While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees. If your an entrepreneur in that field you are pretty garanteed to make 100k+ per year. Everybody wants to sit in an office, therefore it has become a minimum salary job.
The best way to go of course is starting a business, you can't go wrong with that. Governments around the world give tax breaks, incentives and lollipops to entrepreneurs.
Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.
I agree with you that entrepreneurship is where its at. But you dont have to limit yourself to the fields you have mentionned. Some people of my university funded a biotech company with a strict minimum of cash invested. They produce recombinant proteins for alot of research groups. And now they are growing fast, they took the risks and it was worthwhile
I'd say that engineering and computer science are fields that are guaranteed to grant you a confortable seat to gain fat.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: d00d557]
#19089241 - 11/05/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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d00d557 said: Fuck no it's not. I quit that in a heartbeat after realizing how worthless it all is. Am in technical school for welding now. Going to kick ass and take names once I'm certified.
Me too you just going for a cert or going for a degree? Have you taken any of the S.E.N.S.E test yet? Things are hard as fuck all. Epically the G.T.A.W shit fucking tig .
I should be done with my A.S next early summer assuming I dont get this 3 year apprenticeship for my local iron-workers come January.
Either way Ill be making an insane amount of money
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Amphibolos]
#19089280 - 11/05/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.
I never said that.
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Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.
This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.
It makes me sad that many people do not see studying as a means of simply learning.
I am currently breaking myself to pay for college yet my motivation is the craving for knowledge, not so much the job I will get. Thus far the university has brought me to a sort of enlightened state of mind.
Many people argue that you may be equally able to study by yourself and get similar effects, which I can only agree with to an extent. I think that a private path of instruction is better suited for people who seem to have a high level of natural intellect. On the other hand I believe that studying under doctors and next to peers is simply priceless to the average person.
Studying for the sake of knowledge and self improvement.
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While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees
Based on no data at all.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
#19089295 - 11/05/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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XUL said: This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.
It makes me sad that many people do not see studying as a means of simply learning.
This thread is about whether or not university is worth it. For most people, coming out $50 000+ in debt with no clear path to a high-paying career means it's not worth it.
Sure, learning is great, but if you're poor as fuck for the rest of your life because of it the vast majority of people would consider that not worth it.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
#19089324 - 11/05/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Like everybody said, degrees are only good in the high demand fields such as computer stuff and engeneering.
I never said that.
Nobody cares what you said
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Universities are crawling with students, it seems like every kid feels like they have to go otherwise they won't be part of the group.
This utterance seems to have come from some deluded inference about college kids, lumping them all into one category. Maybe this is what you discovered about yourself rather than everybody else. That you were or could be the crawling university student.
University enrollment goes up every year. Universities are crawling with students
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While everybody is getting an education, manual labor such as plumbers, electricians and bricklayers are starving for people. These people now make more money than people with degrees
Based on no data at all. 
The statement you just made is based on no data at all. You have no idea if I looked it up or not.
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19089341 - 11/05/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Who is the vast majority?
And what do you consider worth? I think growing as a person can mean just as much as a salary. I agree that a certain salary would be nice to have. I would like one. But I also have learned something in school that a plumbing job might not be able to offer someone.
Why not do both?
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: XUL]
#19089350 - 11/05/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Every year spent in school the unfinished degree rate remains at a steady 25% :P
To say only 33% of people complete college isn't that far off from the truth, in some degrees it's like 90%
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Re: Do you think college is more or less worth it now with how the economy how is? [Re: Konyap]
#19089354 - 11/05/13 10:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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For example 200 people in class today may only be 20 graduates come graduation time
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