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friend is a heroine addict
    #19080956 - 11/03/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

alright, so this kid im friends with is a heroin addict, ive known him for like 6 years.

at first he said he was just snorting blu's, but he admitted a couple of weeks ago that for the past like 5 months we've been chillen he's been snortin heroine.

i myself have a weed problem, he does also.

he doesn't want to continue snorting heroine. but how drug addicts work is complicated. its like they or he has 4 sides, always. one second they wanna quit,"one second they 'do quit', one second theyre contemplating , one second they need to have it" and this is just a continous cycle. it seems to me like it Does Not matter what i do. he lies to me nearly everyday, and usually admits to lying later on after he snorted. he throws tiny little temper tantrums over the stupidest shit and then apologizes right after when im chillin.
he needs to get clean ASAP.


this is just my suspision:
also, i could be entirely wrong, but i think he's gay, i never seen him with a girl, he comes off as hiding something. i myself, am gay, or atleast bisexual leaning gay, and he doesn't know this. i Do not want to be with him at all, i just know how cruel denial can be to someones pysche, i lost nearly all of my personality at one point. still slowly regaining it back. i became amazingly creative though regarding songwriting.but also a long time ago this girl told me he hooked up with a guy for awhile. i just messaged her asking her if she remembers telling me and if it was really true.if she doesnt answer im not sure what to think, that she either doesnt care enough to answer or she lied. imo this dude deff is hiding something.

just saying if he is in denial, it could be a reason that it sort of locks in the addiction and denys a considerable portion of will power and happy thoughts.

he said that he is afraid of the withdrawals and does not want to use the drugs they have that take you off of them, he says there bad for you:facepalm:

i shoot logic into him everyday and he agrees and gets into it a little bit about quitting, but like i said, its part of the four-part continues cycle.i believe he has 4-6 friends that he also hangs with that do heroine which is a major problem. this one guy yesterday fuckin guy parks in front of my crib when droppin him off and starts doin heroine in front of my crib in the daytime, and its noticeable, also i have neighbors,and i dont even know this fuckin guy. i told my friend to tell him he cant be parked in front of my house so hopefully he listens next time. but shit, i mean im tryin to be a interventionist, hes a cool guy when hes not lyin n doin stupid shit that abuses the trust


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19081876 - 11/03/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: FriedEggz420]
    #19082756 - 11/03/13 09:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You're friend might benefit from ibogaine or kratom

I suggest he refrains from methadone or suboxone


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: FriedEggz420]
    #19083210 - 11/03/13 11:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Man, I have been through this time and time again.  First of all, if he is a close friend he will do his best not to fuck you over, but the drug may ultimately push him to do so.  You can only help him once he wants to help himself.  Getting his folks (or worse the police) to send him to rehab will only make the situation worse.  My friends who did not want to stop and went to rehab only gained new connections, recipes, and habits.  Rehab also tends to brainwash alot of people into living a life of fear and submission.

The way I helped a few (nothing has a 100% success rate) friends quit their addiction was by finding the source of the pain.  Find out why your friend is using these drugs.  If he is uneducated about diacetylmorphine (heroin) he most likely thinks it's extremely toxic (it's not when it is pure).

Thus, he problably is significantly suicidal to some degree.  He needs to know he has people who love him and cherish his existence.  Find out what he is repressing with the use of heroin and help him come to understand it and embrace it.  DO NOT try to help him "get over it" this never happens.  When we are traumatized we will never be able to "get over it"... we can repress, with chemicals and we can try to scramble (with chemicals or EMDR) but I believe those are unhealthy and ultimately counterproductive methods.  Once we understand and put our pain into perspective we can think clearly and make sound decisions.  Multiple trips on Psilocybin and LSD-25 helped bring me to this level but it took years.  I never got addicted to opiates, but I struggled with various forms of escapism for at least 2 years (on an unhealthy and obsessive level).


Be there for your friend but do not hurt yourself in the process.  I have been hurt significantly by giving people, whom I thought loved me, the benefit of the doubt.

so far I've had 5 associates die from heroin overdoses
The only girl I ever loved died from a heroin overdose
One of my friends died from an AIDS infection after shooting heroin w/dirty needlesl
Many of my friends are still addicted.

This may sound like heroin is to blame... but I truly believe (since I have experimented with heroin myself) that the people who get addicted to heroin are suffering from a personality disorder.  Your job as a friend is now to be a psychotherapist.  Haaaaaaave fun!

much love, be safe, hope things work out




im sorry to hear about your losses, unfortunately i disagree about a few things you said. medication has helped many people with disorders that take some time to 'dig into' when in therapy. the internet is not a great source some times, the way we percieve what we see on here. most of the shit you hear about medication is bulshit on the internet. side effects aren't common, and thats coming from someone who has experienced side effects, the thing is, i didn't take the medication correctly, once i stopped taking it correctly things got outta hand.

but i do think all drugs and therapy should be tried first, to be depressed, there's usually a reason.. once i got out of my denial phase, things started lookin up, and my personality disorder that i literally gained from stress started disapearing and some old feelings i havent felt in awhile started returning .idfk what i turned into during my sexual identity crisis, but i lost my own sense of self entirely


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19096146 - 11/06/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Aya might work. In a ceremony, not idling on some couch alone.

Ibogaine too, google around a bit, ibogaine and heroin addiction.


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Spacerific]
    #19096623 - 11/06/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Aya might work. In a ceremony, not idling on some couch alone.

Ibogaine too, google around a bit, ibogaine and heroin addiction.





I would be warry about someone who probably isn't well versed in psychs especially the second one. Op have you looked into suboxone? My addiction started with the blue 30's too /:


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Mescalean]
    #19096715 - 11/06/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nobody will ever quit or get help til theywanna quit.. yo it cant force anyone to.. if someone tried to force me to when i was a riggin' and a rollin i would hab  told you to eff off and not talkto you anymorw.. nobody gonna save em but themselves..


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19096749 - 11/06/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Nobody will ever quit or get help til theywanna quit.. yo it cant force anyone to.. if someone tried to force me to when i was a riggin' and a rollin i would hab  told you to eff off and not talkto you anymorw.. nobody gonna save em but themselves..




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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Mescalean]
    #19099109 - 11/07/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You won't help him. You cannot help a heroin addict. Don't look into the source of his problems. Heroin addicts are amongst the best liars in the world (right up there with politicians).


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: eve69]
    #19100036 - 11/07/13 11:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i myself have a weed problem, he does also.




Maybe you yourself could give aya a try, then you'll be in a better position to tell your friend about it?

Not familiar with heroine addicts (super thankful for that) but judging by what other people posted, the one thing you could help with is making sure he has the right info. That the mainstream pills and crap are not the only way to quit, there are traditional options, probably more effective.

It's your friend, put in the time to do your own research.


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19103367 - 11/07/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately there isnt much that can be done for a heroin addict :shrug:

I used for 5 years and now have a little over 6 months clean, but I know even in my position I would still likely use again if it were put in my face

Opiates are a bitch. The best method IMO is to go cold turkey and have  a huge change in scenery, like a move to a new state


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: KillerPicklez]
    #19106823 - 11/08/13 05:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Unfortunately there isnt much that can be done for a heroin addict :shrug:

I used for 5 years and now have a little over 6 months clean, but I know even in my position I would still likely use again if it were put in my face

Opiates are a bitch. The best method IMO is to go cold turkey and have  a huge change in scenery, like a move to a new state




moving to a different state is a little drastic


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19106870 - 11/08/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Unfortunately there isnt much that can be done for a heroin addict :shrug:

I used for 5 years and now have a little over 6 months clean, but I know even in my position I would still likely use again if it were put in my face

Opiates are a bitch. The best method IMO is to go cold turkey and have  a huge change in scenery, like a move to a new state




moving to a different state is a little drastic



Why would it be drastic? I plan to move to a different country as soon as I can afford the rent there.

Would you say moving to another state is more drastic than being addicted to heroin?


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Spacerific]
    #19106893 - 11/08/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Unfortunately there isnt much that can be done for a heroin addict :shrug:

I used for 5 years and now have a little over 6 months clean, but I know even in my position I would still likely use again if it were put in my face

Opiates are a bitch. The best method IMO is to go cold turkey and have  a huge change in scenery, like a move to a new state




moving to a different state is a little drastic



Why would it be drastic? I plan to move to a different country as soon as I can afford the rent there.

Would you say moving to another state is more drastic than being addicted to heroin?




no honestly, ill just tell his parents this week


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19108193 - 11/08/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

quitting heroin within completely changing your environment is very hard, especially if you are truly an addict

there's no way i would have quit if I never moved away


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19109023 - 11/09/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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moving to a different state is a little drastic



Why would it be drastic? I plan to move to a different country as soon as I can afford the rent there.

Would you say moving to another state is more drastic than being addicted to heroin?




no honestly, ill just tell his parents this week



Aaaaaand what amazing positive outcome might we expect from this?


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Spacerific]
    #19110821 - 11/09/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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moving to a different state is a little drastic



Why would it be drastic? I plan to move to a different country as soon as I can afford the rent there.

Would you say moving to another state is more drastic than being addicted to heroin?




no honestly, ill just tell his parents this week



Aaaaaand what amazing positive outcome might we expect from this?




it doesn't matter, he has the willpower of a child. he needs an interventionist. hes not just goingto move to another state, not everyone has the balls to just pack up and leave, especially one that isnt financially stable on his own. he said he might not be able to quit if he doesnt check inpatient rehab, the only thing stopping him is his parents finding out it seems/ so i say i just pull some strings


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19110829 - 11/09/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

he doesnt have family in any other place other than where he is at?


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19117583 - 11/10/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Endure, you're the one who knows the most about this friend.
If you feel that you should tell his parents about his addiction then do it.
It might be the best thing you ever did for your friend.


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19119106 - 11/11/13 05:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Endure, you're the one who knows the most about this friend.
If you feel that you should tell his parents about his addiction then do it.
It might be the best thing you ever did for your friend.




He'll just lie about it and blame it on you. Heroin addicts are the best liars.


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    #19119323 - 11/11/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Endure, you're the one who knows the most about this friend.
If you feel that you should tell his parents about his addiction then do it.
It might be the best thing you ever did for your friend.




He'll just lie about it and blame it on you. Heroin addicts are the best liars.




Nah he's a shitty fuckin liar, not only do I catch him in lies, he admits to lying later on at times, n also a chick ik could see through his disguise n see the heroine eyes


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: Endure]
    #19120511 - 11/11/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How long has he been using heroin for, ya reckon?


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19120731 - 11/11/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have Parkinson Disease and they put me on 4-5mg oxycodone a day. I was hurting real bad as it took 2 just to get out of bed. That left me with 2 for the rest of the day. Now they put me on 2-15mg tabs of Morphine and left the oxycodone alone. I think it's due to taking the maximum legal dose of chlonozepam a day that the opioid effect does not trigger an addictive problem. That may sound crazy but I used to take opiates as a fun pill and now I feel no "headiness" at all. I do feel a lot better  when I take these drugs but I was much more inclined to become addicted if I wasn't taking chlonazepam (a benzo, like xanax) and all the others that I take on doctors orders a day.

If I ever got in contact with heroin I would "just say no". I am glad that I have convictions, and vices.

Good luck with your friend, he sounds too young to be heading in that direction.


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: bootster]
    #19120878 - 11/11/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Heroin is a hell of a drug. Been using on and off for over a decade, still a fan.

You simply cannot convince someone to quit substances that provide such placation unless it is actually desired. Or, maybe to phrase better, rehab and intervention fuck with those of us who like downers. We will run, and will often succeed.

If you feel you are shooting 'logic' into your friend...you probably are not. I have no good advice to impart on quitting opiates, aside from quitting. It actually is that easy, you just stop. Going to methadone and then buprenorphine from full-agonists was one of the worst decisions I ever made. Heroin was as easy to quit as pissing out of the ass and feeling like death for a few days. Buprenorphine withdrawal after six years of maintenance lasted for over seventy days. Unless you plan to never quit, those chemicals are not much good. And if you plan to never quit...why not stay with the good ones?


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: numonkei]
    #19129773 - 11/13/13 02:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just look into this man, google, research, talk to him, IMO you're not likely to help with logic and words alone, to stop something that feels so good and amazing and vital actually. I've never tried it and I never will, but just by the description I'd say you need serious plant help with this matter:



Stay away from pharma pills as much as possible, try natural traditional medicine first. You do need context, just do the math on what it might cost to send your friend to wherever you can find it.


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Re: friend is a heroine addict [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
    #19129982 - 11/13/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How long has he been using heroin for, ya reckon?




Shit a year maybe who knows if more I would say so


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