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How to identify cobweb in grain jars. * 1
    #19080507 - 11/03/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A few days ago I got some cobweb on a petri dish along with some mushroom myc.




I have noticed people have a hard time identifying cobweb until they have seen it for themselves. So I took some good high res, appropriately white balanced pictures of cobweb contamination. These should look as close as possible to what your own eye would see.

I myself wanted to know what cobweb looked like on grains for reference. So I took that dish with cobweb and took a big hunk of cobweb/cube myc and put into a jar.

Here's what it looks like after a shake at what was about 20%.









So this last picture clearly shows the wispy cobweb running through the grains in between the healthy cube myc.

What is interesting to me is that the jar only got the condensation after the shake. The grains were prepared correctly and not too wet. After the shake about a day later all the condensation appeared. I am clueless as to why but I thought maybe it was heat from the cobweb ripping through the grain but it really beats me. Other grain jars prepped at the same time look great.

Edit: this may confuse some the rest of the jars I did in my PC run were inoculated with clean cultures. The one contam jar was an on purpose just to get cobweb in a jar so I could see it with my own eyes rather than only have seen it in pictures. And to add some good pictures to the forums.


Here's some more
A cobweb explosion.
This is from a dish that had cobweb that I didn't bother trying to isolate away from onto a new dish.

It's interesting because the mycelium took off before the cobweb did for a few days and then over night this happened. Must have been cobweb spores that got in. Perhaps it was my sterile technique or the wedge(I hoped was clean 180ยบ away from the contam) from the dirty dish I used had some cob myc or spores on it.





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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19080557 - 11/03/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes the condensation is because its warm and humid from the heat the myceliums putt off


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: cronicr]
    #19080843 - 11/03/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

shaking wet jars will redistribute the water.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19080860 - 11/03/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just picture tossing a pile of h-poo, when you get to the middle you feel the heat coming off


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: cronicr]
    #19080894 - 11/03/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



More growth is why that one got wet and the other ones did not.

I bet if this was G2G you will see the rest show sings of cobweb, I think cobweb turns green, if not you have trich as well.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19081411 - 11/03/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it is easy to identify cobweb in jars or on any substrate. just wait 2 days and it overruns all kinds of substrate:D


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: eLeSDenes] * 2
    #19081871 - 11/03/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What do you consider cobweb? If you're talking the pathogen mold that grows on mushrooms and causes cobweb disease this is a culture transferred from another culture derived from a cobweb infected mushroom. There are various species that can look a little different but they all produce these similar and unique fruiting structures you can see on top left once they start sporulating. The mold you have there looks like countless other similar appearing molds that commonly contaminate grain jars. Cobweb is a pathogen it feeds on live plants and fungi, I doubt you would find it colonizing grain like that.

But like the only to be sure if something is cobweb particularly in a culture is to let it grow until it sporulates. If you're interested I made a whole post about it here with some good pics.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19082341 - 11/03/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The whole purpose of this was I used a bad petri dish that had cobweb on it to inoculate a grain jar on purpose. This was just to get really good pictures of it to help out any one who might use my pictures as reference.

This is an isolated jar. I didn't g2g it it's not contaming anything else of mine. It was an on purpose for documentation.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19082416 - 11/03/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know I'm just saying not all grey fuzzy mold like that is cobweb mold, just mold. The actual definition of cobweb mold, at least in majority of the mushroom community, refers to the specific pathogenic species that cause cobweb disease.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19082508 - 11/03/13 08:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You could fruit them to further the experiment, and see if you can keep the cobweb at bay.

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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: MUSH HEAD420]
    #19085036 - 11/04/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Another pointless repeat thread... Nice project.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads]
    #19085264 - 11/04/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Another pointless repeat thread... Nice project.




Ha it's adding information to the OMC. You must hate libraries.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19085423 - 11/04/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ha it's adding information to the OMC. You must hate libraries.




If the library was with your OPs only, I would indeed hate it.  Thankfully this is a thread where knowledgeable people can comment and clarify and submit real, valuable information, such as Kizzles post above. In all reality, this could even be worse than just a repeat, it could just be more misinforming or confusing than anything else.

Where are the characters and information on how to identify it? You didn't even provide a species name!  Cladobotryum dendroides, C. mycophilum, etc. (formerly Dactylium spp.) It's hard to tell if that's even cobweb with most of those "hi-res" pics. Not to mention this forum has plenty of pics of this idea already.  You could have easily submitted them to better posts that are already asking for pictures rather than starting another thread and cluttering up the forum.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads] * 1
    #19086165 - 11/04/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ha it's adding information to the OMC. You must hate libraries.




If the library was with your OPs only, I would indeed hate it.  Thankfully this is a thread where knowledgeable people can comment and clarify and submit real, valuable information, such as Kizzles post above. In all reality, this could even be worse than just a repeat, it could just be more misinforming or confusing than anything else.

Where are the characters and information on how to identify it? You didn't even provide a species name!  Cladobotryum dendroides, C. mycophilum, etc. (formerly Dactylium spp.) It's hard to tell if that's even cobweb with most of those "hi-res" pics. Not to mention this forum has plenty of pics of this idea already.  You could have easily submitted them to better posts that are already asking for pictures rather than starting another thread and cluttering up the forum.




U mad bro. Way to be a non-contributionalist asshat. I'm sure part of it is your personal vendetta for me telling you not to tell a noob spawn cakes to a sterile growbag.

Most people here are not scientifically trained. The images are to show people what one common contam looks like. If you don't like it you don't have to post here. You can just continue to do even less good than these pictures will somewhere else.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19086220 - 11/04/13 04:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Joininghands I got some albinos just for you. You earned em


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Stromrider]
    #19086233 - 11/04/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Joininghands I got some albinos just for you. You earned em




He has earned a lot in the last couple days.

I have never seen someone take calm advice so bad and then get this out of hand with it. Looks like the age verification part of this site could use an upgrade.


Anyway.
Most people use "cobweb" as a generic term to describe any wispy off white mold that's not cube mycellium. It's been working well for years. In general we don't need to know what kind of contam we have since they're all bad and worthy of tossing jars. We only as hobby cultivators need to identify healthy cube myc from any other growth and that's the only purpose of what I posted above.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19086274 - 11/04/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Completely Bogus. So much bromance going on with you gals.  Not to mention you're being bigger jerks in response.  Its part of the forum to not unnecessarily repeat posts.  And if you read my post there is information in there.  Sorry this isn't "your" community, the Mushroom Cultivation forum is a place for information and this post is basically not helpful! Totally within the guidelines of response to an OP...

The thread is titled "how to identify..." and so bod your last post completely contradicts that and just reiterates how unnecessary it is. It's easy to use the search function.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads]
    #19086351 - 11/04/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



This is possibly an example of something immediatley thought of as cobweb, could be cobweb.. could be anything else..

We'll see.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads]
    #19086370 - 11/04/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ha it's adding information to the OMC. You must hate libraries.




If the library was with your OPs only, I would indeed hate it.  Thankfully this is a thread where knowledgeable people can comment and clarify and submit real, valuable information, such as Kizzles post above. In all reality, this could even be worse than just a repeat, it could just be more misinforming or confusing than anything else.

Where are the characters and information on how to identify it? You didn't even provide a species name!  Cladobotryum dendroides, C. mycophilum, etc. (formerly Dactylium spp.) It's hard to tell if that's even cobweb with most of those "hi-res" pics. Not to mention this forum has plenty of pics of this idea already.  You could have easily submitted them to better posts that are already asking for pictures rather than starting another thread and cluttering up the forum.




I don't recall a worse case of being a douche-bag. I'm continually amazed by the amount of bad information you've posted in such a small window. You have to be a troll. You are spreading bad info on purpose because nobody could possibly be as stupid as you.


bodhisatta, keep doing what you do and ignore this dick. I haven't read one single good post by him/her.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads]
    #19086389 - 11/04/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Completely Bogus. So much bromance going on with you gals.  Not to mention you're being bigger jerks in response.  Its part of the forum to not unnecessarily repeat posts.  And if you read my post there is information in there.  Sorry this isn't "your" community, the Mushroom Cultivation forum is a place for information and this post is basically not helpful! Totally within the guidelines of response to an OP...




Delusions of grandeur.

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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19086429 - 11/04/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Please explain how that information is bogus??! From what I understand the name has been changed.  Is that incorrect... ? or what are you trying to say?

And seriously Jedi, read my posts. There's only ~40 of them.  I'm not spreading bad info, most of it is obvious stuff! There are a few comments about not thinking its a big deal to leave foil on PF and cake-spawning that are debatable, or not ideal, but they're not completely bogus or out of the question, but rather based on experience.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads]
    #19086471 - 11/04/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I offer you no explanation. We know who you are and what you represent.

But, I will give you a hint: This is not the first post of yours that me or others on this thread have read.

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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19086492 - 11/04/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I offer you no explanation. We know who you are and what you represent.

But, I will give you a hint: This is not the first post of yours that me or others on this thread have read.

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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: cronicr]
    #19087057 - 11/04/13 07:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Every time we get a troll in mush cult and we give them a few bad ratings they simply opt out. This should not be an option.


Spitball you're one of the very few respected members here that have opted out. I'm not sure why but you are the exception to the rule. Most of the time its only disruptive members with many bad ratings that opt out


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: joiningheads]
    #19088837 - 11/05/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ha it's adding information to the OMC. You must hate libraries.




If the library was with your OPs only, I would indeed hate it.  Thankfully this is a thread where knowledgeable people can comment and clarify and submit real, valuable information, such as Kizzles post above. In all reality, this could even be worse than just a repeat, it could just be more misinforming or confusing than anything else.

Where are the characters and information on how to identify it? You didn't even provide a species name!  Cladobotryum dendroides, C. mycophilum, etc. (formerly Dactylium spp.) It's hard to tell if that's even cobweb with most of those "hi-res" pics. Not to mention this forum has plenty of pics of this idea already.  You could have easily submitted them to better posts that are already asking for pictures rather than starting another thread and cluttering up the forum.




It does not make any difference what kind of shit in there. If it is anything else than mycelium it ends up in the bin anyway. The main thing is to know the difference between mycelium and mold and bacterias. Noone gives a shit if it is a "Cladobotryum dendroides" or something else, most of us can't even read it:D
the OP made this thread for purely informational purposes or to help people and it does not make the already cluttered forum more cluttered.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: eLeSDenes]
    #19088925 - 11/05/13 07:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This thread made me sign in.
This is a very helpful post for noobs.
I appreciate it.. and those who don't just forget how it was when they understood little to none.
So what he didn't add a full on fucking science report.
He took a cobwebbed petri.. put it in a grain.. and took good pictures.
If I was first getting into the cultivation that alone is enough for a stepping stone.
And who the fuck cares if 100 other threads are open about it.
Cant keep this forum neat.. people are going to join.. make dumb threads.. and any forum gets cluttered after awhile.
Relax guys.. were forgetting something important here.
He did this to HELP.
Thats ALL WHAT MATTERS. Thanks again OP. It DID help.

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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Stromrider]
    #19089309 - 11/05/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Every time we get a troll in mush cult and we give them a few bad ratings they simply opt out. This should not be an option.


Spitball you're one of the very few respected members here that have opted out. I'm not sure why but you are the exception to the rule. Most of the time its only disruptive members with many bad ratings that opt out




Thank you for the kind words. I really do like to help when I can.

I enjoy kicking the shit out of trolls too much to participate in the ratings system.

I often found myself with bad ratings from trolls. When someone comes on here talking shit, I try to drop the hammer down. This usually results in bad ratings. Nobody likes a Spitball to the eye from the Jedi.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19089538 - 11/05/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

At any rate I'm glad you like the pictures, even though I couldn't have done any worse of a job making a topic here :lmafo:

As a side note, the fiance let me have some room on a shelf where the cat can't get to. This means polyfil can be used which means monotub time. I just bought an assload of jars. More to follow in the next few weeks. I want my first mono to be fruited with my first isolate :mushroom2:


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19091048 - 11/05/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It does not make any difference what kind of shit in there. If it is anything else than mycelium it ends up in the bin anyway. The main thing is to know the difference between mycelium and mold and bacterias. Noone gives a shit if it is a "Cladobotryum dendroides" or something else, most of us can't even read it:D
the OP made this thread for purely informational purposes or to help people and it does not make the already cluttered forum more cluttered.



It does make a difference because there'd be no need to throw it out if it were "Cladobotryum dendroides" but you're not going to find that growing in a spawn jar and in the case of spawn in general you're right, any mold should be thrown out.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Kizzle]
    #19158641 - 11/19/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So cobweb does not press against the glass like normal mycelium?


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: Sugar Of Saturn]
    #19159034 - 11/19/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In my experience no. Most of the molds(that might not be cobweb but OMC calls cobweb anyway) look and behave like the stuff in the picture I posted above.


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    #19175171 - 11/22/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

new pictures at the bottom of the OP.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19175213 - 11/22/13 03:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I threw some sub and grain in a jar and sat it on the windowsill and it grew cobweb that reached out like 3 1/2 inches from the serface of the sub. Looked like a sea urchin.

I opened it in my face and the smell made me fucked up in my head and dizzy  :undecided: I don't know how to describe it. I threw the jar in the trash and then put the trash outside. lol


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    #19175230 - 11/22/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I threw some sub and grain in a jar and sat it on the windowsill and it grew cobweb that reached out like 3 1/2 inches from the serface of the sub. Looked like a sea urchin.

I opened it in my face and the smell made me fucked up in my head and dizzy  :undecided: I don't know how to describe it. I threw the jar in the trash and then put the trash outside. lol




haha. I seem to have a cobweb infection in my house. I see it a lot on my petri dishes ever since I made this thread however long ago. That first episode of cobweb and now it's everywhere. I know I could do a better job inside the SAB but I like to get really stoned before I do my agar work so I'll deal with the hit in efficiency.

At least I've been able to keep cobweb out of my grows and grain jars. I only ever see it on the dishes or in the case of the picture I just posted because I used a dish that had it on it to start that jar.


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Re: How to identify cobweb in grain jars. [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19175280 - 11/22/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mycelial colonization is the best defense against any contamination other than sterility. I started that jar with barely colonized grain from the top of my grain jars I dumped out.

I did an identical jar next to it with fully colonized grain and it is 100%


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    #19207541 - 11/30/13 06:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck... I think I have cobweb mold...


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    #19207597 - 11/30/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Fuck... I think I have cobweb mold...





Sucks man. It's inevitable. It occasionally happens to the best of us even when we take every precaution. As long as it's a rare occasion then I wouldn't worry too much. If it's happening a lot then you probably need to take a look at your procedures


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    #19207756 - 11/30/13 08:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Fuck... I think I have cobweb mold...





Sucks man. It's inevitable. It occasionally happens to the best of us even when we take every precaution. As long as it's a rare occasion then I wouldn't worry too much. If it's happening a lot then you probably need to take a look at your procedures



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    #19207802 - 11/30/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

can cobweb get airborne?
I've always heard it's not..


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can cobweb get airborne?
I've always heard it's not..




When we talk about cobweb here it's likely referring to a whole host of grey colored mycelium. There's different molds if you find the scientific names. The cobweb(s) I have encountered have always sporulated and those spores will get in the air.


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I've always heard it's not..



It depends on what kind of mold it is and if they've produced spores or not. I would just assume with any mold they can and have.


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lol I think I have cobwebs


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    #26352233 - 11/29/19 02:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago)

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Completely Bogus. So much bromance going on with you gals.  Not to mention you're being bigger jerks in response.  Its part of the forum to not unnecessarily repeat posts.  And if you read my post there is information in there.  Sorry this isn't "your" community, the Mushroom Cultivation forum is a place for information and this post is basically not helpful! Totally within the guidelines of response to an OP...

The thread is titled "how to identify..." and so bod your last post completely contradicts that and just reiterates how unnecessary it is. It's easy to use the search function.




I just wanted to say, fuck you.

It's 6 years later and this post helped me, your posts actually cluttered up the fucking thread :facepalm:

I know you don't even post here anymore, but seriously...I still think you're a moron.

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Lol man it took me a few mins to figure out what was going on and who you were responding to I thought you responded to the wrong thread I've done that before it completely confused me haha. Btw don't take this as me being a dick I get what your saying now just thought it was funny how fucking confused I was.


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    #27218789 - 02/21/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Must bump this even tho old.
How long did that mold take to colonize the plate to the point you showcase in the OP?
How fast are those gray molds in general?

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    #27219061 - 02/21/21 07:16 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Couple days max


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    #27219066 - 02/21/21 07:20 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I thought those "cobweb" gray wispy molds were rapid. 1 day they are tiny the next they cover large surfaces. Wrong?


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    #27219077 - 02/21/21 07:26 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Pretty much. Ever buy bread and had it mold?


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    #27219480 - 02/22/21 01:34 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Yup. Most of the time its green tho. Never had bread with cobweb that i recall
If not all molds sporulate how do they reproduce? Some just stay white or the color they were.


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    #27245050 - 03/09/21 01:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

From this thread, seems like I have "cobweb" in this batch of jars (and some blotch contam as well)





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    #27245134 - 03/09/21 02:24 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Hard to tell from that pic if it's cobweb or tomentose. Cobweb will colonize the whole jar in a few days and turn grey and dusty looking. The white dots are yeast. Any way it goes those jars are doomed.


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    #27245232 - 03/09/21 03:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I have a question about the last grain jar pic under the agar pics.  Do some types of cobweb turn green.  I ask because it states that its cobweb inside jar.  When I look closely at that pic, I see 2 spots of green.  Just curious how that jar turned out in the end.  Did the green take over, or am I seeing a reflection of some sort


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    #27245586 - 03/09/21 07:42 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Hard to tell from that pic if it's cobweb or tomentose. Cobweb will colonize the whole jar in a few days and turn grey and dusty looking. The white dots are yeast. Any way it goes those jars are doomed.




How bad is yeast? Can I put them outside in a hole with some manure and perhaps get some growth?


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    #27245665 - 03/09/21 08:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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From this thread, seems like I have "cobweb" in this batch of jars (and some blotch contam as well)







Its contaminated :frown: im positive.  If you want 10000% confirmation please post a pic of the whole jar.


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Its contaminated :frown: im positive.  If you want 10000% confirmation please post a pic of the whole jar.





Will do, rest of the jar is nice normal myc though. The "cobweb" like growth, has been there for 3-4 days, isn't exploding throughout, is confined to a few areas and colonising about the speed of myc at a guess. Maybe bit faster, but nothing crazy and I've see jars colonize with myc at the same speed for some fast colonizing strains.

But I'll get some full size pics ASAP

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3 different jars, closeup and full jar shot

jar1






jar2





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    #27246216 - 03/10/21 07:44 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Looks like tomentose growth and a bacterial jar. Did you by any chance use a spore syringe to inoculate that?


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    #27246335 - 03/10/21 09:18 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Looks like tomentose growth and a bacterial jar. Did you by any chance use a spore syringe to inoculate that?




That's good news then (about cobweb).

This jar was inoculate by a popcorn g2g transfer, but the popcorn jar was from a spore syringe.


How bad is the bacteria infection? Worth a punt to put them in a shoebox and see if they do anything? Bury them in some manure in the garden? Or just toss out?


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    #27247144 - 03/10/21 06:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'm convinced that is contaminated.  I mean you can try to fruit it :shrug: I'm just keeping it real tho, it ain't looking good at all.  That jar looks like it has 2 different kinds of mycelial growth in there.


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    #27247149 - 03/10/21 06:20 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Try a shoebox. All you have to lose is some coir. Let it finish up and spawn 1 to 1. If it is contamination it will be more apparent by then anyways. Hard to tell with the crystal jars in pics


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    #27254174 - 03/15/21 03:29 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

so around where this "growth" was, the jars clearly separated and put a orange mark around.

Pictures from 2 days ago, is more defined now.

So whatever it was, was not good.









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    #27254181 - 03/15/21 03:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Wow, just checked the underneath, full of myc piss. Strange how there is a clearly delimited line around the fluffy grey "cobweb" like growth as if the myc is trying to contain it.

Going to go bury these jars with some manure and see if anything pops up. Shame as the rest of the myc looks alright (to my eyes). But fairly sure it came from the master spawn. Done some agar transfers since and no contams (so far)












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Looks like bacterial mycelium and early trichoderma to me.


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Weird, I had some suspiciously cobweb-looking growth but it didn't take over. How do you definitively tell?


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Cobweb turns dusty grey when it sporulates, it is stupid fast and will actually climb right over the mycelium to an extent.


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Weird, I had some suspiciously cobweb-looking growth but it didn't take over. How do you definitively tell?




someone said my "cobweb" looking growth wasn't and could be tomentose myc, although I don't think so. Looking at the hars, there is a clear line around that growth and the clean myc.

But as profx says, cobweb should explode in growth whereas mine didn't. But regardless, whatever it was, it was no good.

bit concerned as knocked up 6 jars from the same master, 3 are shown above and the other 3 "look" alright. Not sure whether to waste time  in putting them in a shoe box. Got enough good looking jars coming to time so perhaps I'll toss the lot


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    #27254799 - 03/15/21 09:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely bacteria looking


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    #27254844 - 03/15/21 10:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

If it looks alright it probably is. There is always the chance something fell in your master halfway through your transfers which is the likely culprit if half are ok and half are bacterial. Either that or you had pooled water at the bottom and tge bacteria wasn't at the top. Either way your jars look bacterial for sure but I don't see cobweb, that picture I posted is cobweb. I have cobweb on a plate too, covered the plate, overlapping the trichoderma satellite and the mycelium and bacteria. I messed up a transfer by touching it with an iso coated glove and that was the result.


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If it looks alright it probably is. There is always the chance something fell in your master halfway through your transfers which is the likely culprit if half are ok and half are bacterial. Either that or you had pooled water at the bottom and tge bacteria wasn't at the top. Either way your jars look bacterial for sure but I don't see cobweb, that picture I posted is cobweb. I have cobweb on a plate too, covered the plate, overlapping the trichoderma satellite and the mycelium and bacteria. I messed up a transfer by touching it with an iso coated glove and that was the result.




Yes I agree what I had is not cobweb. But I don't think it is myc either. Just one of a gazillion possibles.

What you said about using the bottom of the master jar that had the bacteria could be correct. I used the remaining contents of a small 200ml jar, some got popcorn master spawn from the top, some from the bottom.

As to the other jars, I think I will toss, they look "alright" but not good. I have enough jars nearing 100% to make 7 shoeboxes this week, I have 1 spare shoebox right now, going to buy another 7 so I have 12 total, which I think is a bit ridiculous for someone who eats mushrooms 3-4 times a year.

Plus that will give me 3 conta jars and 3 "alright" jars to try an outdoor grow, it's currently hot + rainy season, so humidity is through the roof and temps range from night 23c to day 31c.


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    #27255248 - 03/16/21 07:48 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I've been eating every 2 months and have space for 30 tubs total. I had 21 and expanded again this this weekend to add another 27 quarts worth of space.


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I've been eating every 2 months and have space for 30 tubs total. I had 21 and expanded again this this weekend to add another 27 quarts worth of space.





I guess I better up my game them :lol:

No harm in having a life times worth supply in the freezer I guess.


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    #27255385 - 03/16/21 09:29 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Vacuum sealer. Don't put them in the freezer, that will definitely reintroduce moisture. I've kept them cracker dry for a year plus vacuum packed with dry and dry.


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