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sonamdrukpa
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Children are luxury goods
#19080499 - 11/03/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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And the tax code should reflect. No more allowing "exceptions" for dependents. Instead, there should be surcharges on parents' 1040 for further burdening our educational and healthcare systems. We can fix any population shrinkage problems by incentivizing immigration, both legal and illegal, which expands the tax base and creates a net positive benefit on the economy and employment.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19080535 - 11/03/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I half agree. As someone who doesn't intend to have kids it seems like a raw deal to have to pay for people's kids when all they are doing at this stage is thinning the resource pool anyway.
The problem with this is you will end up with children being born to parents without the money to really look after them properly and having really shitty upbringings as a result, when they never had a say in the first place.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Grapefruit]
#19080642 - 11/03/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think then the best solution would be to keep the system as it currently is but to create an estate tax equal to the sum total of a person's childcare deductions that would kick in as long as the deceased's dependents were 18 or older.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa] 5
#19080680 - 11/03/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sonamdrukpa said: And the tax code should reflect. No more allowing "exceptions" for dependents. Instead, there should be surcharges on parents' 1040 for further burdening our educational and healthcare systems. We can fix any population shrinkage problems by incentivizing immigration, both legal and illegal, which expands the tax base and creates a net positive benefit on the economy and employment.
I think we need a clean tax code that does not reward reproduction or marriage. I think we need to have a government that shoots border jumpers on sight. They are a net drain on the economy and are taking your job away.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa] 1
#19082164 - 11/03/13 07:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Anyone who thinks that children are goods is an idiot.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil] 1
#19082487 - 11/03/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think we need to have a government that shoots border jumpers on sight.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
#19083125 - 11/03/13 10:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Anyone who thinks that children are goods is an idiot.
Everything is a good and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding themselves.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa] 1
#19084212 - 11/04/13 05:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then you clearly don't understand the meaning of the word "goods."
I suggest you take a remedial English class before you post on these fora again.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa] 2
#19084517 - 11/04/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sonamdrukpa said: And the tax code should reflect. No more allowing "exceptions" for dependents. Instead, there should be surcharges on parents' 1040 for further burdening our educational and healthcare systems. We can fix any population shrinkage problems by incentivizing immigration, both legal and illegal, which expands the tax base and creates a net positive benefit on the economy and employment.
"incentivizing immigration, both legal and illegal, which expands the tax base"
What nonsense, illegal low skilled workers are a burden to City, State, and Federal budgets, the negatives vastly outweigh any of the positives.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: qman]
#19084762 - 11/04/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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workers are a burden to City, State, and Federal budgets, the negatives vastly outweigh any of the positives.
Who will pick our oranges for almost to no money? This isn't exactly a full time job . It doesn't attract white kids from the suburb . They don't apply . If you had to offer a wage high enough to attract skilled workers who don't wanna bounce around from farm to farm living out of a van oj would probably cost 15 dollars a gallon instead of 6 or 7 . This goes for everything picked with human hands . We're the most well fed nation living off the backs of poor migrant workers who we dont have much appreciation or respect for . If you push out all the migrant farm workers your gunna pay for it big time in the checkout line.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: psilynut]
#19084859 - 11/04/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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workers are a burden to City, State, and Federal budgets, the negatives vastly outweigh any of the positives.
Who will pick our oranges for almost to no money? This isn't exactly a full time job . It doesn't attract white kids from the suburb . They don't apply . If you had to offer a wage high enough to attract skilled workers who don't wanna bounce around from farm to farm living out of a van oj would probably cost 15 dollars a gallon instead of 6 or 7 . This goes for everything picked with human hands . We're the most well fed nation living off the backs of poor migrant workers who we dont have much appreciation or respect for . If you push out all the migrant farm workers your gunna pay for it big time in the checkout line.
"Gunna pay for it big time in the checkout line"
Or maybe the profit margins of the business owners just get squeezed "big time".
Guess who suffers from the use of illegal workers? Low skilled labor and the tax payer. Guess who benefits, the capitalists that hire the ILLEGAL workers, and PROFIT from it.
To make the argument that cheaper prices might result from this practice is just nonsense, the negatives vastly outweigh any of the potential positives.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: qman]
#19084905 - 11/04/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you saying that if labor to pick fruit becomes more expensive, the vendors will sell for the same price and eat the difference?
That's a ridiculous assumption.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
#19084985 - 11/04/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Are you saying that if labor to pick fruit becomes more expensive, the vendors will sell for the same price and eat the difference?
That's a ridiculous assumption.
I said their profit margin would be squeezed, at what percentage level is any ones guess.
Would the fruit price go higher? Most likely, how much is any ones guess.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: qman] 1
#19085100 - 11/04/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am of the opinion that you shouldn't receive a tax break for having a child. I also believe that you should only be taxed for public schools if you have children that are using that system. Those without children & those who send their children to private school should be exempt
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Simplicitry]
#19085160 - 11/04/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So, you want public education to have all of the downsides of public education, like inefficiency and incompetence, but none of the upsides, like funding.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19085182 - 11/04/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Idk about taxing people. But reproduction should DEFINITELY be highly discouraged. I'm not sure the best way to go about this. Tax deductions for getting a vasectomy before having more than one child would be a good start.
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i like cow poo said: Idk about taxing people. But reproduction should DEFINITELY be highly discouraged. I'm not sure the best way to go about this. Tax deductions for getting a vasectomy before having more than one child would be a good start.
And pretty much impossible to verify...particularly in communities that procreate excessively. In addition, a tax deduction doesn't mean much in those communities because they rarely have enough income to use it.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
#19085208 - 11/04/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like the idea of increasing vasectomy rates. There has to be a way to encourage this through monetary means.
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Fund clinics that give them away for free.
My vasectomy was the best $5 I ever spent.
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Re: Children are luxury goods [Re: Enlil]
#19085270 - 11/04/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So, you want public education to have all of the downsides of public education, like inefficiency and incompetence, but none of the upsides, like funding.
I'd like to see it funded by those who choose to use it
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