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It only comes out to about $2.50 a day per recipient. Hell, $2.50 won't even buy a Teatbagger an 8th of crack, a six-pack of beer, or 2 packs of cigs. They will have to dip-into the welfare cash for those things, or else cut back from Rib-eye steak to top sirloin to make ends meet.
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You have an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Can-i-bus] 2
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Can-i-bus said: You have an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda
actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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Would the bum enablers please tell me why work requirements should not be applied to welfare recipients.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] 2
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Way to answer a question not asked.
One state, Massachusetts http://www.massresources.org/snap-work-requirements.html
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Who is exempt from the work requirements?
You are exempt from the SNAP Food Stamp Employment & Training (SNAP E&T) requirement if:
you are younger than 16 or older than 59 you are 16 or 17 years old and not the head of household you are in your second or third trimester of pregnancy you have a physical or mental condition, either permanent or temporary, that prevents you from working you are caring for a dependent child under age 6, whether or not that child is part of your household you are caring for an incapacitated person, whether or not that person is part of your household you are meeting the work requirements of another assistance program such as TAFDC or EAEDC you are getting unemployment compensation benefits and meeting program requirements you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours you are taking part in an approved drug or alcohol treatment, vocational rehab, or mental health program you are a student, half-time or more (see Can college students get SNAP food stamps?)
The additional SNAP Food Stamp Work Program rules for Able-Bodied Adults Without Dependents (ABAWDs) are suspended, at least through September 30, 2013.
When the additional Food Stamp Work Program rules for ABAWDs are in effect, you are exempt if:
you meet any of the conditions listed above or you are younger than 18 or older than 49 or you are pregnant in any stage of pregnancy or there is a child under 18 in your food stamp household or you live in an area of the state designated as having limited job opportunities.
I have bolded the sections I believe are complete bullshit.
Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19080010 - 11/03/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nobody really gives a fuck what you think is bullshit, honestly.
You come up with a lie, saying Obama gutted the work requirement, you get called on it, and then "well here is some other stuff I think is bullshit."
You and starfire both have what Can-i-bus described perfectly, "an unhealthy obsession with welfare/food stamps/liberal agenda"
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19080180 - 11/03/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Knock yourself out. I have presented real evidence about the not work requirements. You present campaign literature
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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I present fact checkers who have looked into your claim that "Obama" has cut the work requirement. It's not true.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
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Really? Politifact and the WaPo are Democrat Party organizations. But that is irrelevant. I didn't mention the commie cunt's name in my post. I asked a simple question.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19079828#19079828
Now I'm going to ask another question. Do you see the Cunt-in-Chief's name anywhere in that post?
I posted the work requirements from one state. They are a joke.
Answer the question I asked.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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You're parroting the same lines that have been debunked. If you're going to make shit up, at least make up some new shit that hasn't been proven false.
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zappaisgod said: you are in your second or third trimester of pregnancy
I feel you on this. If your fetus's really so hungry, why doesn't he get a job?
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you are caring for a dependent child under age 6, whether or not that child is part of your household
Agreed, more of that Won't Someone Please Think Of the Children bleating.
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you are caring for an incapacitated person, whether or not that person is part of your household
Agh. Won't Someone Please Think Of the Handicapped? Sheesh.
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you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours
Walmart has managed to sucker the US Gov into subsidizing its workers' wages. Now that's what I call capitalism!
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you are taking part in an approved drug or alcohol treatment, vocational rehab, or mental health program
I assume you bolded this because God forbid someone try to fix their problems and try to become a functional member of society, right? I agree. Fuck that.
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you are a student, half-time or more (see Can college students get SNAP food stamps?)
And I assume you bolded this because you don't believe that the time and money invested in college degrees create a net economic benefit for society, right? Fuck college.
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or you are younger than 18 or older than 49
This exception only exists because y'all Baby Boomers run shit now though.
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Seriously, fuck the children.
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I mean, they smell, they make loud noises, and they won't stop asking so many goddamn questions.
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For real. When I lost my rubber chicken factory due to an OHSA inspection I didn't whine about how there were no sweatshop owner positions in LA, I packed up and moved to China. No reason the poor can't do the same either.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19080381 - 11/03/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?

But maybe it's because these programs exist to alleviate poverty on a broad societal level and not to validate your personal sense of butthurt that somewhere out there people are eating lobster on your reapportioned dime? lol j/k
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa] 1
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zappaisgod said: you are in your second or third trimester of pregnancy
I feel you on this. If your fetus's really so hungry, why doesn't he get a job?
All the pregnant women I have known have worked until the last month. Why shouldn't the bums?Quote:
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you are caring for a dependent child under age 6, whether or not that child is part of your household
Agreed, more of that Won't Someone Please Think Of the Children bleating.
All of the women I have known went back to work within a year. Why shouldn't the bums?Quote:
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Agh. Won't Someone Please Think Of the Handicapped? Sheesh.
Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.Quote:
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you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours
Walmart has managed to sucker the US Gov into subsidizing its workers' wages. Now that's what I call capitalism!
What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?Quote:
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you are taking part in an approved drug or alcohol treatment, vocational rehab, or mental health program
I assume you bolded this because God forbid someone try to fix their problems and try to become a functional member of society, right? I agree. Fuck that.
There is no reason why junkies and nutjobs cannot pickup trash.Quote:
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you are a student, half-time or more (see Can college students get SNAP food stamps?)
And I assume you bolded this because you don't believe that the time and money invested in college degrees create a net economic benefit for society, right? Fuck college.
When I went to college lots of my fellow students had jobs. Why can't these?Quote:
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This exception only exists because y'all Baby Boomers run shit now though.
I clearly don't run shit. I'm 56 and still workingQuote:
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Seriously, fuck the children.
See above vis a vis the ability of pregnant women to work.Quote:
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I mean, they smell, they make loud noises, and they won't stop asking so many goddamn questions.
Which has not one thing to do with why they should get free food.Quote:
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or you live in an area of the state designated as having limited job opportunities.
For real. When I lost my rubber chicken factory due to an OHSA inspection I didn't whine about how there were no sweatshop owner positions in LA, I packed up and moved to China. No reason the poor can't do the same either.
Move. There are plenty of jobs here.
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zappaisgod said: Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?

But maybe it's because these programs exist to alleviate poverty on a broad societal level and not to validate your personal sense of butthurt that somewhere out there people are eating lobster on your reapportioned dime? lol j/k
Gifts do not alleviate poverty. They perpetuate poverty. Work alleviates poverty.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?

But maybe it's because these programs exist to alleviate poverty on a broad societal level and not to validate your personal sense of butthurt that somewhere out there people are eating lobster on your reapportioned dime? lol j/k
Gifts do not alleviate poverty. They perpetuate poverty. Work alleviates poverty.
Oh right. Getting more money doesn't help the problem of not having enough money. Forgot about that one.
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All of the women I have known went back to work within a year. Why shouldn't the bums?
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I'm totally down for punishing parents for being lazy if that's what it takes to make sure Little Jimmy starves. Fuck kids.
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I mean, they smell, they make loud noises, and they won't stop asking so many goddamn questions.
Which has not one thing to do with why they should get free food.
You are right. Those are reasons children SHOULDN'T.
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Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.
Right. Medicaid.
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you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours
Walmart has managed to sucker the US Gov into subsidizing its workers' wages. Now that's what I call capitalism!
What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?
If only Obamacare hadn't eliminated all full-time jobs. If only.
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When I went to college lots of my fellow students had jobs. Why can't these?
No need to subsidize and thereby incentivize educational investment if in a perfect world everyone just had enough go-get-it-ness to just put down the bong and pick up a fucking job, amirite?
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Move. There are plenty of jobs here.
How can it be that people who are poor don't have the resources to jaunt halfway across the country to where the jobs are? Must be laziness or something.
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There is no reason why junkies and nutjobs cannot pickup trash.
There is one - I don't want any goddamn junkie hands touching my trash. Also I sort of dislike the idea of hiring government workers to oversee arbitrary make-work programs designed to make sure the dregs of society never, ever forget that they are beholden to the whims of a gargantuan moralistic bureaucracy and the Randian superheroes who compassionately control it for the edification of all.
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zappaisgod said: Why aren't they being required to pick up trash or do some other kind of municipal work?

But maybe it's because these programs exist to alleviate poverty on a broad societal level and not to validate your personal sense of butthurt that somewhere out there people are eating lobster on your reapportioned dime? lol j/k
Gifts do not alleviate poverty. They perpetuate poverty. Work alleviates poverty.
Oh right. Getting more money doesn't help the problem of not having enough money. Forgot about that one.
Well then let's just put them on the dole forever. That will get them out of poverty for sure Quote:
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All of the women I have known went back to work within a year. Why shouldn't the bums?
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See above vis a vis the ability of pregnant women to work.
I'm totally down for punishing parents for being lazy if that's what it takes to make sure Little Jimmy starves. Fuck kids.
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I mean, they smell, they make loud noises, and they won't stop asking so many goddamn questions.
Which has not one thing to do with why they should get free food.
You are right. Those are reasons children SHOULDN'T.
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Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.
Right. Medicaid.
Yeah. So? What is your point in regards to bums not working for their benefits?Quote:
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you are working 30 hours a week or earning an amount at least equal to the federal minimum wage multiplied by 30 hours
Walmart has managed to sucker the US Gov into subsidizing its workers' wages. Now that's what I call capitalism!
What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?
If only Obamacare hadn't eliminated all full-time jobs. If only.
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When I went to college lots of my fellow students had jobs. Why can't these?
No need to subsidize and thereby incentivize educational investment if in a perfect world everyone just had enough go-get-it-ness to just put down the bong and pick up a fucking job, amirite?
Lots of the same fellow students I mentioned partook of the bong. So what? If ypu suck from the tit you should put some work into it. Why is this so difficult for you?Quote:
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Move. There are plenty of jobs here.
How can it be that people who are poor don't have the resources to jaunt halfway across the country to where the jobs are? Must be laziness or something.
So they should stay in a shithole with no jobs?Quote:
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There is no reason why junkies and nutjobs cannot pickup trash.
There is one - I don't want any goddamn junkie hands touching my trash.
So junkies shouldn't have any jobs? What job is far enough from you garbage that garbage can be allowed to do?Quote:
Also I sort of dislike the idea of hiring government workers to oversee arbitrary make-work programs designed to make sure the dregs of society never, ever forget that they are beholden to the whims of a gargantuan moralistic bureaucracy and the Randian superheroes who compassionately control it for the edification of all.
The dregs should never forget. The rest of what you posted is incoherent drivel.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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sonamdrukpa said: Oh right. Getting more money doesn't help the problem of not having enough money. Forgot about that one.
Well then let's just put them on the dole forever. That will get them out of poverty for sure
Oh, have they amended SNAP to allow people to stay on it indefinitely? My bad.
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How is work punishment?
Call it what you like, I just want to make sure Jimmy starves if his parents are lazy.
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Isn't there already something that pays professionals who do that? Why yes, yes there is.
Right. Medicaid.
Yeah. So? What is your point in regards to bums not working for their benefits?
Something about the care paid for by medicaid not being adequate in all situations or something like that, but I'd rather just let this particular conversation thread die, it's not that scintillating.
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What? If you are already working 30 hours a week and still collecting benefits why shouldn't you have to put in the next 10 hours to get your food stamps?
If only Obamacare hadn't eliminated all full-time jobs. If only.
Answer the question.
See, the thing about people in poverty is that they've usually had a hard time getting full-time work. Sort of a contributing factor.
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No need to subsidize and thereby incentivize educational investment if in a perfect world everyone just had enough go-get-it-ness to just put down the bong and pick up a fucking job, amirite?
Lots of the same fellow students I mentioned partook of the bong. So what? If ypu suck from the tit you should put some work into it. Why is this so difficult for you?
Why is it so difficult for you to admit that the economic value of subsidizing educational investment and other social programs can be decoupled from cheap moralizing?
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Move. There are plenty of jobs here.
How can it be that people who are poor don't have the resources to jaunt halfway across the country to where the jobs are? Must be laziness or something.
So they should stay in a shithole with no jobs?
See, the funny thing about not having any money is that you usually have no choice about the matter.
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The dregs should never forget. The rest of what you posted is incoherent drivel.
I think the dregs might better be controlled with Soma and feelies, actually.
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That is all very wonderful and I'm not going to fisk it again. I am going to ask a simple question. Why shouldn't the bums sucking from the tit be required to perform some work for their milk?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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It's just not worth it, sonamdrukpa, he will keep making up bullshit until the end of time. Anecdotal evidence is his specialty, because it can't be proven wrong. Logic, evidence, and facts have no bearing on these people's thought process. They will live in their own little world where they are always right, and you are always wrong.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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How come you can't answer a simple question?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Why don't you ask a question that isn't fucking stupid?
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How is "Why can't the bums do some work for their bennies." a stupid question?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: That is all very wonderful and I'm not going to fisk it again. I am going to ask a simple question. Why shouldn't the bums sucking from the tit be required to perform some work for their milk?
Because this isn't some employer-employee situation. Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children, and to stimulate the economy, not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa] 1
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It's beyond moronic to think that asking someone to work for the food they eat is the same as saying fuck their children. I pay for my family's food and believe me no one is fucking my kids over besides government with massive debts from living outside of it's means
You know who else fucks over future generations?
Lazy pieces of shit that can't prioritize their responsibilities. Not even for their own offspring.
You can spout off your ridiculous plea to emotion "will somebody please think of the children!" all you want but honestly many of the worst child abusers are the fucking retards that are on the dole. They raise their children in toxic environment of stupidity and can't be bothered to get their shit together to try and provide something better for dumbshit Jr. They do that to their children. Not me, not you, not society, they do that to their children. Put blame where it belongs
The real truth is that you can't fix that problem no matter how much of an egalitarian hero you wish to appear to be. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part this generation's useless retards breed next generations useless retards regardless of how many loaves of bread you throw at them to make yourself feel better.
With little exception their children are doomed to perpetuate their pathetic existence. Would be better to thin their genetic/culturally inferiority from society. You empathy negates natural selection and the evolution of our species
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
#19084556 - 11/04/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm raising children that will become productive members of society.
You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
#19084842 - 11/04/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, maybe we should just round up all the "unproductive filth" and exterminate them. Who knows, maybe you would be included.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19084898 - 11/04/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Simplicitry said: You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society
Yeah, maybe we should just round up all the "unproductive filth" and exterminate them. Who knows, maybe you would be included.
So you can't do better then a weak strawman? You can't quote me supporting genocide or mass murder because that quote doesn't exist
So very weak. Certainly you can do better than this
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
#19084958 - 11/04/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement. I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
#19085030 - 11/04/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19085048 - 11/04/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier social circles think of me
Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?
I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.
I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19085060 - 11/04/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?
Ever ponder the concept that life isn't a free ride for anyone and your misfortunes shouldn't be your neighbors. Unless he willfully wants to take them on for you that is
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
#19085067 - 11/04/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?
Ever ponder the concept that life isn't a free ride for anyone and your misfortunes shouldn't be your neighbors. Unless he willfully wants to take them on for you that is
It's called charity something government aid is not
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
#19085108 - 11/04/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?
Ever ponder the concept that life isn't a free ride for anyone and your misfortunes shouldn't be your neighbors. Unless he willfully wants to take them on for you that is
The majority clearly do want to share their neighbors misfortunes as they own insurance of some sort they like the idea of spreading risk. If you vote for a republican or a democrat you support social welfare programs too, by proxy of elected representatives.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19085175 - 11/04/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I do not support social welfare programs anymore then I support farm subsidies or corporate welfare. I don't know what percentage of the population does offhand.
Insurance is something entirely different. For one people pay for it, for another they do so voluntarily (at least before Obamacare )
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
#19085255 - 11/04/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cutting food stamps for veterans... Who are you calling freeloaders again?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
#19085277 - 11/04/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement. I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."
But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier social circles think of me
Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?
I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.
I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course
I don't deny that there are unproductive people in society, I do not however share your opinion that they are "filth."
Growing up in a working poor household, where my parents never took a dime in handouts either, it always shocked me when they would use terms like "trash" or "filth." I do not think that using words like that, or Zappa's favorite "bum" is ever appropriate.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19085290 - 11/04/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uh... When did i ever call them filth? I do believe I've always been in favor of welfare programs, and expressed that quiet openly on this form. Maybe you just meant to reply to someone else?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
#19085322 - 11/04/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't replying to you, sorry, I added a quote.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19085437 - 11/04/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement. I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."
But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier social circles think of me
Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?
I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.
I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course
I don't deny that there are unproductive people in society, I do not however share your opinion that they are "filth."
Growing up in a working poor household, where my parents never took a dime in handouts either, it always shocked me when they would use terms like "trash" or "filth." I do not think that using words like that, or Zappa's favorite "bum" is ever appropriate.
I view them as filth, trash, bums. I come from a working class family. Only poor by very spoiled American standards (we were indeed wealthy by the standards of human history). My father made a better life for all of us, I improved that vastly for my 2 young children. Our success wasn't created by government handouts. People that can't make it in this country are pathetic. It is the most prosperous society in the history of mankind. It takes no silver spoon in your mouth or magic wand in your hand to make a decent living for yourself here. Let these filth go to sub Sahara Africa (you know where people face a real lack of oppurtunity) and complain about their problems, see how much sympathy they get. No empathy, no sympathy, because they are pathetic
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
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Mush4Brains said: No, that was me just adding more stupidity to an already absurdly stupid statement. I just find it ironic when people say stuff like "unproductive filth" because guess what, in somebody else's eyes up higher on the socioeconomic ladder, you're included in that "unproductive filth."
But I am self sufficient. I'm not asking for anybody's money (or approval in the process). I don't take handouts and I couldn't care less what people in wealthier social circles think of me
Do you deny the existence of unproductive people or something?
I thought we could all at least agree on their existence.
I thought the only disagreement was that you wanted to subsidize their reproduction and multiplication. While I would just prefer to let nature run its course
I don't deny that there are unproductive people in society, I do not however share your opinion that they are "filth."
Growing up in a working poor household, where my parents never took a dime in handouts either, it always shocked me when they would use terms like "trash" or "filth." I do not think that using words like that, or Zappa's favorite "bum" is ever appropriate.
I view them as filth, trash, bums. I come from a working class family. Only poor by very spoiled American standards (we were indeed wealthy by the standards of human history). My father made a better life for all of us, I improved that vastly for my 2 young children. Our success wasn't created by government handouts. People that can't make it in this country are pathetic. It is the most prosperous society in the history of mankind. It takes no silver spoon in your mouth or magic wand in your hand to make a decent living for yourself here. Let these filth go to sub Sahara Africa and complain about their lack of opportunity, see how much sympathy they get. No empathy, no sympathy, because they are pathetic
So you think the Veterans who rely on welfare are filth, trash, and parasites? What about people with disabilities who physically can not work, much less get hired? What about people with felonies on their record due to drug use (don't forget where you are) who can't get a job that pays better then minimum wage? Maybe you're unaware that someone working full time on minimum wage, does not make a fraction of the cost of living in most cities.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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"So you think the Veterans who rely on welfare are filth, trash, and parasites?"
I am a veteran. Never meet a fellow Vet on the titt, but for those that are I hold them to no different standards for them then I do the rest of the population. What you're attempting here is called a plea to emotion "What about people with disabilities who physically can not work, much less get hired?"
Disability benefits are not welfare
"What about people with felonies on their record due to drug use (don't forget where you are) who can't get a job that pays better then minimum wage?"
I don't support drug prohibition. That being said, we all know the rules of the game we're playing. Their Problems and misfortunes should not translate into other peoples problems and misfortune. If you don't want to damage your prospecs of a good career don't get caught committing felonies
"Maybe you're unaware that someone working full time on minimum wage, does not make a fraction of the cost of living in most cities." No one is forcing anyone to be a minimum wage loser. Those types of jobs are intended for high school students not as career choices.
Better yourself! Yes in the wealthiest society ever known to man it is possible. Anything said to the contrary is just pouting by failures
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Ellis Dee]
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Ludicrous.
I neither support nor condone all the votes my representatives make. I make sure they hear from me when that happens.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Simplicitry]
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Some of the hardest people hit by these food stamp cuts will be active duty military, their families, and veterans.
I honestly don't know how you could be a veteran, and call your fellow soldiers parasites after they have gave the ultimate sacrifice for their country, sometimes returning without limbs, and a great majority suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) which can make living a normal life almost impossible. Do you even realize that there are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans in this country?
Food Stamps: Military Families Redeem $100 Million A Year In SNAP Benefits http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/food-stamps-military_n_3462465.html
Homeless Veterans http://www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/veterans.html
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Simplicitry said: You people want to give aid to the unproductive filth of society
Yeah, maybe we should just round up all the "unproductive filth" and exterminate them. Who knows, maybe you would be included.
Feel free to fund any bums you like.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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So you think the Veterans who rely on welfare are filth, trash, and parasites?
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What about people with disabilities who physically can not work, much less get hired?
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What about people with felonies on their record due to drug use (don't forget where you are) who can't get a job that pays better then minimum wage?
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Maybe you're unaware that someone working full time on minimum wage, does not make a fraction of the cost of living in most cities.
I'm pretty sure it is above the poverty level for an individual in every state
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19086352 - 11/04/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must be delusional.
There are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans. They're not taken care of.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
#19086451 - 11/04/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans. They're not taken care of.
ORLY? They are taken care of better than the general population
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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There are 130,000 to 200,000 homeless veterans. They're not taken care of.
ORLY? They are taken care of better than the general population
You're right, they get goverment funded health care.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Because this isn't some employer-employee situation. Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children, and to stimulate the economy, not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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Zappa claims veterans are taken care of... , obviously he hasn't been watching the news the past 5-6 years. Even his favorite right-wing hate blogs and Fox News have had investigations on why veterans aren't getting the benefits they were promised (but of course, those ones blame it on OBAMA).
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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and to stimulate the economy,
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not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.
Really? Here's my lesson of morality in public policy. Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself. If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech. I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site. That, my friend, is freedom.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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They have a VA Tell me why, if the government can't handle the health care of a limited group, you would expect that they can handle the health care of a much larger group.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Because this isn't some employer-employee situation.
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I will set aside that I do not believe those should be government goals you are still a long way from answering my question. If you want welfare you should work for it.
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Giving money to shitheads who don't produce is not stimulating the economy. Maybe you think smashing windows is stimulative.
Food stamp dollars get spent almost immediately. There is no better form of economic stimulus outside of infrastructure development, which our current congress has for whatever reason decided is not a national priority.
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Really? Here's my lesson of morality in public policy. Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself. If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech. I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site. That, my friend, is freedom.
See, why you gotta be so mad about the whole thing? Unfair economic redistribution is going to happen whether you want it to or not, whether through governmental, societal or familial means. Your obsession with the unfairness of this doesn't help you in any way and has only the barest of relations with the consequences of policy decisions.
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A large portion of veterans are fuckups because they were fuckups before they ever joined the military. Most people who join only do so because they don't have a lot of options getting out of high school. It's not like they're suddenly going to come out of the military with their shit together.
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actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?
Yes I have. I grew up dirt poor, and when I got out of the Navy I still was poor.
I didn't cry about it. I worked in a factory from 4PM until 1AM every night for $10 an hour, then I got up at 7am, went to school, and 4 years later graduated with a BSEE with honors. Oh, I had to find the time to do the projects, the homework, and everything else.
I paid for most of my school by scrimping and saving, but at the halfway mark we got a free apartment because we managed them.
We managed 26 units, sometimes before I left for school at 7am, or after I got home at 2:45, I had to do maintenance on someones apartment.
I had no life, it was hell but I finished. Now I'm not working poor--I make a really good salary--the kind that Liberal Politicians make people envious abouts so they can win votes.
I paid my dues, I paid my own way, and I never took a fucking cent of government money. Sometimes we ate peanut butter sandwiches and hot dogs for weeks on end.
So the next time some motherfucker says 'it isn't fair, income inequality,' so unmotivated people with crack babies from 6 different fathers can keep sucking the TEAT, well fuck them. They can smooch my hairy white ass.
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Because this isn't some employer-employee situation.
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Because the government's goals should be to alleviate poverty, to provide proper nutrition to children,
I will set aside that I do not believe those should be government goals you are still a long way from answering my question. If you want welfare you should work for it.
Great, why shouldn't they be the government's goals here? Seems to be a far nobler goal than imparting some ineffectual plan to remedy your outrage that somewhere, someone is getting something they didn't earn.
Alleviating your poverty should be your goal, not mine.Quote:
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and to stimulate the economy,
Giving money to shitheads who don't produce is not stimulating the economy. Maybe you think smashing windows is stimulative.
Food stamp dollars get spent almost immediately. There is no better form of economic stimulus outside of infrastructure development, which our current congress has for whatever reason decided is not a national priority.
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Really? Here's my lesson of morality in public policy. Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself. If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech. I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site. That, my friend, is freedom.
See, why you gotta be so mad about the whole thing? Unfair economic redistribution is going to happen whether you want it to or not, whether through governmental, societal or familial means. Your obsession with the unfairness of this doesn't help you in any way and has only the barest of relations with the consequences of policy decisions.
There is nothing unfair about the distribution of wealth. There is a lot unfair about the distribution of the tax burden.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
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actually, I have a healthy obsession with some assholes in DC taking the money I work my ass off for and giving it to someone who doesn't have the motivation to dig themselves out of a hole.
Ever hear of working poor or people who are layed off from jobs that need temporary help for their families?
Yes I have. I grew up dirt poor, and when I got out of the Navy I still was poor.
I didn't cry about it. I worked in a factory from 4PM until 1AM every night for $10 an hour, then I got up at 7am, went to school, and 4 years later graduated with a BSEE with honors. Oh, I had to find the time to do the projects, the homework, and everything else.
I paid for most of my school by scrimping and saving, but at the halfway mark we got a free apartment because we managed them.
We managed 26 units, sometimes before I left for school at 7am, or after I got home at 2:45, I had to do maintenance on someones apartment.
I had no life, it was hell but I finished. Now I'm not working poor--I make a really good salary--the kind that Liberal Politicians make people envious abouts so they can win votes.
I paid my dues, I paid my own way, and I never took a fucking cent of government money. Sometimes we ate peanut butter sandwiches and hot dogs for weeks on end.
So the next time some motherfucker says 'it isn't fair, income inequality,' so unmotivated people with crack babies from 6 different fathers can keep sucking the TEAT, well fuck them. They can smooch my hairy white ass.
IT all seems to boil down to what you think the stereotypical person on welfare is. You're just playing at racist stereotypes. Sometimes people need a helping hand to get back on their feet, there is no shame in it. There is shame in calling the poor leeches, and parasites. There is stupidity in believing welfare affects your lively hood or freedom, pure stupidity.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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There is shame in calling the poor leeches, and parasites. There is stupidity in believing welfare affects your lively hood or freedom, pure stupidity.
there is stupidity in believing that 47 million people in the US need to be on Foodstamps. Pure Stupidity.
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There is shame in calling the poor leeches, and parasites. There is stupidity in believing welfare affects your lively hood or freedom, pure stupidity.
there is stupidity in believing that 47 million people in the US need to be on Foodstamps. Pure Stupidity.
Yeah, I never once said everyone who is on goverment assistance needs it.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Im sort of against this food stamp cut back myself, but once again, every time there is an issue in Congress, the entire country blames The Republican party.
If liberals gave such a shit about food stamps, couldnt they have balanced a budget to not need to cut back on expenses at a critical moment e.g. if they gave a shit about food stamps liberals could have voted to cut back a billion a month on all the bonds they are buying on stock exchange securities. Since when did liberals give a shit?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Because this isn't some employer-employee situation.
Irrelevant to the question
No, that's the whole point. You're imagining the food stamp program to be something it isn't.
No I'm not. Why shouldn't you have to work for them. You still haven't answered the question.
My answer to "Why shouldn't people on food stamps have to work for them?" is it's not a business transaction, where goods and services are exchanged. It's a handout designed to deal with certain problems in society. I'm obviously answering the question, you just don't like my answer, stop being obtuse.
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Alleviating your poverty should be your goal, not mine.
Everyone working together on goals that not everyone supports is how the government works. For example, my taxes go towards supporting that ludicrous border fence that was the result of policies supported by people like you (I don't imagine you personally, since I can't imagine you being in favor of spending your taxes on pretty much anything) that I vehemently oppose.
You want to start an anarchist revolution and do away with government altogether, I'm all for that. But if you want the thing around, then there are going to be programs with goals you dislike.
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Food stamp dollars get spent almost immediately. There is no better form of economic stimulus outside of infrastructure development, which our current congress has for whatever reason decided is not a national priority.
So lets smash some windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
First off, feeding people has intrinsic utility; it's not the same situation at all.
Second off, economics is more complicated than your parable gets at. Paying people to bury bottles and dig them up again can increase the velocity of money in an economy and get things going again. Your argument fails even on that level.
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not to shoehorn moral lessons into questions of public policy.
Really? Here's my lesson of morality in public policy. Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself. If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech. I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site. That, my friend, is freedom.
See, why you gotta be so mad about the whole thing? Unfair economic redistribution is going to happen whether you want it to or not, whether through governmental, societal or familial means. Your obsession with the unfairness of this doesn't help you in any way and has only the barest of relations with the consequences of policy decisions.
There is nothing unfair about the distribution of wealth. There is a lot unfair about the distribution of the tax burden.
Given that one's tax burden affects one's wealth, how could it be that we have a unfair tax burden but a fair distribution of wealth?
There is nothing about the distribution of wealth that is causeless, but that doesn't mean it's fair.
It's true there's no fair way to distribute a tax burden. Tough shit.
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My answer to "Why shouldn't people on food stamps have to work for them?" is it's not a business transaction, where goods and services are exchanged.
You're missing the point, though. He's not talking about a transaction. He's talking about improving the system. Handing out food stamps means people eat, sure. Handing out food stamps and making those people work means they eat AND get some work experience...and perhaps a bit less self-loathing from taking a handout. There is zero downside to keeping these people working on something and tons of upsides. At the very least, it gets some unskilled labor for the same cost that we were getting nothing. At best, it empowers people and gives them hope that they could get a job doing similar labor and making actual money.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
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Then he needs to have some actual evidence showing that programs with such requirements actual improve employment outcomes. My suspicion would be it would not in most circumstances. "Work" experience for a governmental program is not going to impress many employers. Meanwhile, the problem with being poor is that you're usually resource-poor in other ways as well (especially on time and energy), and requiring people to spend their scarce time and energy on make-work sharply curtails their ability to spend those resources actually improving their economic situation, whether by finding a better job, going back to school, etc.
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That's ridiculous. A system that has as much free labor as we're talking about could easily accommodate people that have job interviews or need child care. There would be thousands of people available to help out with that.
As far as how it looks to potential employers, that's gonna depend from employer to employer...but we can be certain of one thing: long-term unemployment looks very bad to potential employers. If the applicant could put down the work he's been doing on the program as his current employment, that will increase his odds of being hired over what they would be if he had nothing.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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No, that's the whole point. You're imagining the food stamp program to be something it isn't.
No I'm not. Why shouldn't you have to work for them. You still haven't answered the question.
My answer to "Why shouldn't people on food stamps have to work for them?" is it's not a business transaction, where goods and services are exchanged. It's a handout designed to deal with certain problems in society. I'm obviously answering the question, you just don't like my answer, stop being obtuse.
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Everyone working together on goals that not everyone supports is how the government works. For example, my taxes go towards supporting that ludicrous border fence that was the result of policies supported by people like you (I don't imagine you personally, since I can't imagine you being in favor of spending your taxes on pretty much anything) that I vehemently oppose.
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So lets smash some windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
First off, feeding people has intrinsic utility; it's not the same situation at all.
If you want to eat you have to work. How is that a complex concept for you?Quote:
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Really? Here's my lesson of morality in public policy. Get your fucking paws out of my wallet and support yourself. If you can't support yourself you are a useless piece of shit leech. I do not care if you drill whores, gamble all your meager earnings away or smoke crack until you can't see any more as long as I don't get stuck with the bill for more than your grave site. That, my friend, is freedom.
See, why you gotta be so mad about the whole thing? Unfair economic redistribution is going to happen whether you want it to or not, whether through governmental, societal or familial means. Your obsession with the unfairness of this doesn't help you in any way and has only the barest of relations with the consequences of policy decisions.
There is nothing unfair about the distribution of wealth. There is a lot unfair about the distribution of the tax burden.
Given that one's tax burden affects one's wealth, how could it be that we have a unfair tax burden but a fair distribution of wealth?
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There is nothing about the distribution of wealth that is causeless, but that doesn't mean it's fair.
It's true there's no fair way to distribute a tax burden. Tough shit.
Of course there is a fair way to distribute the tax burden. Everybody pays the same percent of their income.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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I don't give a fuck about their gained work experience. I give a fuck that no healthy person should get something for nothing. Ever.
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You must be a hoot at Christmas. I'm sure your kids were told that they had to pay you back for every gift you ever gave them.
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You must be a hoot at Christmas. I'm sure your kids were told that they had to pay you back for every gift you ever gave them.
I got plenty from them. As a barren man you have no business opining about children.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Au Contraire. I have two beautiful daughters:
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Yours too, bro...yours too.
How dare you.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19091152 - 11/05/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know, dude...she does have an unhealthy obsession with you. She might be your illegitimate daughter from some coked up hookup in the 70s
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
#19091305 - 11/05/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It would have to have been the eighties. I couldn't afford coke in the seventies.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19091901 - 11/05/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Food stamp dollars get spent almost immediately. There is no better form of economic stimulus outside of infrastructure development, which our current congress has for whatever reason decided is not a national priority.
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That has to be one of the most assinine things I've ever hear. How is taking money from one person, filtering it through the government, then giving it to someone else an efficient way to stimulate the economy. NOTHING WAS CREATED. It is not even a zero-sum game.
The person from whom the money was originally taken would have spent it, or saved it. If it was saved, it would have been used by the savings institution as capital to fund new companies THAT CREATE SOMETHING.
Remember the ridiculous multi-hundreds of billion dollars DICKULUS that was supposed to create shovel ready jobs? It was a handout to certain organizations and businesses and did little to create jobs.
"HO HO HO, It Looks like those jobs weren't so shovel ready....." BHO.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
#19095790 - 11/06/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: That's ridiculous. A system that has as much free labor as we're talking about could easily accommodate people that have job interviews or need child care. There would be thousands of people available to help out with that.
So basically you want to do away with welfare and go one step away from a communist state, no? From each according to his ability, to each according to his need...
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As far as how it looks to potential employers, that's gonna depend from employer to employer...but we can be certain of one thing: long-term unemployment looks very bad to potential employers. If the applicant could put down the work he's been doing on the program as his current employment, that will increase his odds of being hired over what they would be if he had nothing.
That's true. I would still like to see some data. I think the resource drain would be the primary factor affecting things here.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19095823 - 11/06/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're not going to see any data unless/until they actually implement something like that.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19095846 - 11/06/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sonamdrukpa said: My answer to "Why shouldn't people on food stamps have to work for them?" is it's not a business transaction, where goods and services are exchanged. It's a handout designed to deal with certain problems in society. I'm obviously answering the question, you just don't like my answer, stop being obtuse.
That is not an answer. Saying it is a handout does not address the question of why it should be a handout.
Alternative answer: it should be a handout because the fewer restrictions you have on programs like these the more people use them.
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I have no problem with federal taxes being spent on security. I have a huge problem with them being spent on local things.
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You want to start an anarchist revolution and do away with government altogether, I'm all for that. But if you want the thing around, then there are going to be programs with goals you dislike.
This endless idiocy that opposing the federal welfare state is somehow anarchistic is as played out as three day dead pipe
So is your railing against the bums.
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If you want to eat you have to work. How is that a complex concept for you?
Quite obviously this isn't true.
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Given that one's tax burden affects one's wealth, how could it be that we have a unfair tax burden but a fair distribution of wealth?
A very few pay for the very many. The vast majority of the populace are leeches sucking the tit of the few.
So sounds like those very few are going to have their wealth unfairly distributed...
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Of course there is a fair way to distribute the tax burden. Everybody pays the same percent of their income.
Not a fair system either. Bill Gates paying 20% of his income is not the same thing as a man making $10,000 a year paying 20% of his income.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19095865 - 11/06/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sonamdrukpa said: Then he needs to have some actual evidence showing that programs with such requirements actual improve employment outcomes. My suspicion would be it would not in most circumstances. "Work" experience for a governmental program is not going to impress many employers. Meanwhile, the problem with being poor is that you're usually resource-poor in other ways as well (especially on time and energy), and requiring people to spend their scarce time and energy on make-work sharply curtails their ability to spend those resources actually improving their economic situation, whether by finding a better job, going back to school, etc.
I don't give a fuck about their gained work experience. I give a fuck that no healthy person should get something for nothing. Ever.
And here is the heart of the thing. Why do you give a fuck? And why should we institutionalize your insistence on giving a fuck?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#19096329 - 11/06/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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sonamdrukpa said: My answer to "Why shouldn't people on food stamps have to work for them?" is it's not a business transaction, where goods and services are exchanged. It's a handout designed to deal with certain problems in society. I'm obviously answering the question, you just don't like my answer, stop being obtuse.
That is not an answer. Saying it is a handout does not address the question of why it should be a handout.
Alternative answer: it should be a handout because the fewer restrictions you have on programs like these the more people use them.
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I have no problem with federal taxes being spent on security. I have a huge problem with them being spent on local things.
This is a really silly distinction. Every border incident is a local thing. Every time a soldier gets paid it is a local thing. Every time there is a contract to produce a weapon it pays people on a local level.
That is asinine. Soldiers are not local expenses. Weapons procurement are not local expenses. Bike paths are. Schools are. Most roads and bridges are.Quote:
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You want to start an anarchist revolution and do away with government altogether, I'm all for that. But if you want the thing around, then there are going to be programs with goals you dislike.
This endless idiocy that opposing the federal welfare state is somehow anarchistic is as played out as three day dead pipe
So is your railing against the bums.
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Quite obviously this isn't true.
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Given that one's tax burden affects one's wealth, how could it be that we have a unfair tax burden but a fair distribution of wealth?
A very few pay for the very many. The vast majority of the populace are leeches sucking the tit of the few.
So sounds like those very few are going to have their wealth unfairly distributed...
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Of course there is a fair way to distribute the tax burden. Everybody pays the same percent of their income.
Not a fair system either. Bill Gates paying 20% of his income is not the same thing as a man making $10,000 a year paying 20% of his income.
You're right. The guy making $10,000 is still a leech.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: sonamdrukpa]
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sonamdrukpa said: Then he needs to have some actual evidence showing that programs with such requirements actual improve employment outcomes. My suspicion would be it would not in most circumstances. "Work" experience for a governmental program is not going to impress many employers. Meanwhile, the problem with being poor is that you're usually resource-poor in other ways as well (especially on time and energy), and requiring people to spend their scarce time and energy on make-work sharply curtails their ability to spend those resources actually improving their economic situation, whether by finding a better job, going back to school, etc.
I don't give a fuck about their gained work experience. I give a fuck that no healthy person should get something for nothing. Ever.
And here is the heart of the thing. Why do you give a fuck? And why should we institutionalize your insistence on giving a fuck?
Because I'm fucking paying for it.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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sonamdrukpa said: Then he needs to have some actual evidence showing that programs with such requirements actual improve employment outcomes. My suspicion would be it would not in most circumstances. "Work" experience for a governmental program is not going to impress many employers. Meanwhile, the problem with being poor is that you're usually resource-poor in other ways as well (especially on time and energy), and requiring people to spend their scarce time and energy on make-work sharply curtails their ability to spend those resources actually improving their economic situation, whether by finding a better job, going back to school, etc.
I don't give a fuck about their gained work experience. I give a fuck that no healthy person should get something for nothing. Ever.
And here is the heart of the thing. Why do you give a fuck? And why should we institutionalize your insistence on giving a fuck?
Because I'm fucking paying for it.
You pay more a year for toliet paper then for food stamps. Quit bitching.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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Why should I pay anything at all for your food stamps?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19096822 - 11/06/13 06:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why should families starve to death, or go malnourished when all that's required to contribute is a smaller fraction of your paycheck then it takes to wipe your wrinkled old ass?
By the way, I've never been on food stamps in my life.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19097090 - 11/06/13 07:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How would you know somebody on the internet has food stamps? I mean, with our knowledge of how much you pay illegal workers, maybe you shouldn't be bitching
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
#19097104 - 11/06/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Smokey420 said: Why should families starve to death, or go malnourished when all that's required to contribute is a smaller fraction of your paycheck then it takes to wipe your wrinkled old ass?
I got a better idea. Why don't you feed them? I'm sick of buying lobster for surfer dude.Quote:
By the way, I've never been on food stamps in my life.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19097113 - 11/06/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Why should I pay anything at all for your food stamps?
How would you know somebody on the internet has food stamps? I mean, with our knowledge of how much you pay illegal workers, maybe you shouldn't be bitching 
I didn't say I paid them anything. Pay attention. I know what day laborers get paid. Some of them are illegal but they still get paid the same cash as the legal ones. Which is probably more than you get paid.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19097116 - 11/06/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've got a better idea, why don't the wealthy like zappa acknowledge that they were made wealthy by the capitalist system in place in the United States and pay their fair share of taxes?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
#19097126 - 11/06/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: I didn't say I paid them anything. Pay attention. I know what day laborers get paid. Some of them are illegal but they still get paid the same cash as the legal ones. Which is probably more than you get paid.
You know how much it costs to pay illegal immigrants to work, you know it is cheaper than American workers, you're a big proponent of capitalism, why would I think that you didn't hire illegals? 
Maybe if you weren't so defensive about the subject you might have some credibility, but your adamant denial of hiring illegal immigrants is definitely sketchy.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19097135 - 11/06/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: I've got a better idea, why don't the wealthy like zappa acknowledge that they were made wealthy by the capitalist system in place in the United States and pay their fair share of taxes?
Fair? Is it fair that I pay $100,000 and you pay nothing? I made my money providing a service that other people willingly paid for. How do you make your money?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Mush4Brains said: I've got a better idea, why don't the wealthy like zappa acknowledge that they were made wealthy by the capitalist system in place in the United States and pay their fair share of taxes?
Fair? Is it fair that I pay $100,000 and you pay nothing? I made my money providing a service that other people willingly paid for. How do you make your money?
So you're saying that you make roughly $400k a year (this is a conservative guess, since you say 50% of your "wealth" is "confiscated")? That puts you in the top 5% of earners, what are you so butthurt about? Maybe you should think of the government policies that made you wealthy.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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zappaisgod said: I didn't say I paid them anything. Pay attention. I know what day laborers get paid. Some of them are illegal but they still get paid the same cash as the legal ones. Which is probably more than you get paid.
You know how much it costs to pay illegal immigrants to work, you know it is cheaper than American workers, you're a big proponent of capitalism, why would I think that you didn't hire illegals? 
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Maybe if you weren't so defensive about the subject you might have some credibility, but your adamant denial of hiring illegal immigrants is definitely sketchy.
I don't hire them. I use subs. They might hire them but that isn't on me.
How much do you get paid?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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My pay is irrelevant. Stop trying to change the subject. So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits? Just like Mitt?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: I've got a better idea, why don't the wealthy like zappa acknowledge that they were made wealthy by the capitalist system in place in the United States and pay their fair share of taxes?
Fair? Is it fair that I pay $100,000 and you pay nothing? I made my money providing a service that other people willingly paid for. How do you make your money?
So you're saying that you make roughly $400k a year (this is a conservative guess, since you say 50% of your "wealth" is "confiscated")? That puts you in the top 5% of earners, what are you so butthurt about? Maybe you should think of the government policies that made you wealthy.
The family does, yes. Government policies have not made us wealthy. Government policies have been a net drag. For instance if we hadn't been taxed into oblivion we could have bought several rental properties but because we had to pay for the bums that money was not available for investments. Now tell me again why I should be responsible for buying you or anybody else anything you didn't work for. I can accept a reasonable societal responsibility for caring for the feeble and infirm. Which are you?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: My pay is irrelevant. Stop trying to change the subject. So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits? Just like Mitt?
But they aren't cheaper. Benefits? I don't pay anybody benefits. Never did. I paid money. What they did it with it was their business. It's called CHOICE.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Government policies have not made us wealthy
So the construction bubble didn't make you wealthy?
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Government policies have been a net drag.
Obviously not, as you claim to be extremely wealthy.
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For instance if we hadn't been taxed into oblivion we could have bought several rental properties but because we had to pay for the bums that money was not available for investments.
What?
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Now tell me again why I should be responsible for buying you or anybody else anything you didn't work for.
You're not responsible for me at all. Quit with the strawman arguments.
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I can accept a reasonable societal responsibility for caring for the feeble and infirm.
Apparently you can't.
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Which are you?
Once again, irrelevant to the discussion, as I'm not drawing off of any public funds, and have paid Federal and State taxes (along with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid) since I have had a job at 16 (I didn't have to pay taxes on my umpire job from 13-16, as it was an independent contractor position, and only made $1000 or so a year).
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Mush4Brains said: My pay is irrelevant. Stop trying to change the subject. So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits? Just like Mitt?
But they aren't cheaper. Benefits? I don't pay anybody benefits. Never did. I paid money. What they did it with it was their business. It's called CHOICE.
Ah, so you didn't give people in a dangerous profession any sort of health insurance benefits? Man, you sound like a QUALITY employer (not). No wonder you got so wealthy, fucking the workers over while you raked in profit. Zappa's favorite type of capitalism (fuck the little man, gimme money).
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Government policies have not made us wealthy
So the construction bubble didn't make you wealthy?
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Obviously not, as you claim to be extremely wealthy.
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Now tell me again why I should be responsible for buying you or anybody else anything you didn't work for.
You're not responsible for me at all. Quit with the strawman arguments.
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Apparently you can't.
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Which are you?
Once again, irrelevant to the discussion, as I'm not drawing off of any public funds, and have paid Federal and State taxes (along with SS, Medicare, and Medicaid) since I have had a job at 16 (I didn't have to pay taxes on my umpire job from 13-16, as it was an independent contractor position, and only made $1000 or so a year).
How much did you pay last year? My guess is it isn't shit. You are quite cavalier with giving away other people's money. I got a better idea. Give your own away.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: My pay is irrelevant. Stop trying to change the subject. So you admit that your subcontractors could be (i.e. are) hiring illegal immigrants for cheaper pay and no benifits? Just like Mitt?
But they aren't cheaper. Benefits? I don't pay anybody benefits. Never did. I paid money. What they did it with it was their business. It's called CHOICE.
Ah, so you didn't give people in a dangerous profession any sort of health insurance benefits?
Workmen's compensation covers workplace accidents. I pay roughly 15% of payroll for that for what I do. That isn't health insurance or a benefit. You don't know anything about the real world, do you?Quote:
Man, you sound like a QUALITY employer (not). No wonder you got so wealthy, fucking the workers over while you raked in profit. Zappa's favorite type of capitalism (fuck the little man, gimme money).
I pay the people who work for me a competitive wage and enforce job safety. If they want to use their paycheck to buy insurance they can. If they don't they don't have to. I'm not a fascist forcing people to buy something they might not think is in their best interests. It isn't for me to decide what is good for them.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Not at all. I've been through three cycles of up and down.
So you admit that it is the business cycle and not government that determined your wealth?
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I don't claim to be extremely wealthy
You don't need to. It is apparent with your vitriol towards the "bums."
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Yes. If we had not been taxed into oblivion we would own much more real estate.
Well, when you think about it, if you would have been taxed less, then other people in your income range would have been taxed less, and therefore there is no guarantee that you could have ever been able to afford more real estate.
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Surfer dude on lobster stamps and Obamaphone lady can go fuck themselves. Neither are feeble or infirm.
There is no such thing as an "Obamaphone"
If there is fraud in the food stamp program, then figure out how to curtail it instead of destroying the program for people who legitimately need it. Why don't you "conservatives" understand this principle?
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How much did you pay last year? My guess is it isn't shit. You are quite cavalier with giving away other people's money. I got a better idea. Give your own away.
Why does it matter how much I paid?
Since it is such an important issue to you, as a full time college student working nearly full time, I paid about $2700 in Federal Income taxes after refund, and about $1200 in state income taxes, after refund. I made roughly $19,000 or so last year, which is roughly 14% Federal Income tax rate, and a 6.3% State Income tax rate, plus Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.
So, I'm not one of those 0% bums you talk about, so stop fucking saying I am.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Workmen's compensation covers workplace accidents. I pay roughly 15% of payroll for that for what I do. That isn't health insurance or a benefit. You don't know anything about the real world, do you?
I'm sure a lot of your undocumented workers are eager to step up and claim workman's comp
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Well, food stamp enrollment has increased about 70% from 2009 until present--(32 million Teatbaggers then, 48 Teatbaggers now) would you agree with those numbers? And, since so many more people are on food stamps, its imperative not to really cut too much--people will suffer. I can agree to some extent with that logic.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: starfire_xes]
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I don't deny the numbers. But, what do you think the cause of the rise in numbers actually is? Let's hear you say it was the awful Bush admin and maybe I'll believe your "both sides suck" argument
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I would say the first third of the increase was the recession, which was well helped along by Bush. One third is both Congress--both sides--for getting us into the mess. 1/3 is Obama for not having the leadership or the plan to get us out of the mess, and expanding the program.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: EddYerb]
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EddYerb said: I reckon you should definitely have to work for the state if your claiming benefits. Doesn't seem like a bad idea at all to me - gives people structure, routine and experience. IT is true, you can't get by in life by not working, unless you are disabled but even then depending on the disability there will be jobs some people can do. 
If you should work for the state for claiming benefits, then maybe the state should stop spending tax money gambling on the stock market. I dont care if investments are always a gamble, investing on the public stock exchange is a blind risk.
Has everyone in the thread moved to the idea that food stamps and welfare checks are the same thing? Dont forget, the quality of life in this country is because we dont allow things like poverty to exist. Can you imagine if food stamps didnt exist?
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Not at all. I've been through three cycles of up and down.
So you admit that it is the business cycle and not government that determined your wealth?
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You don't need to. It is apparent with your vitriol towards the "bums."
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Well, when you think about it, if you would have been taxed less, then other people in your income range would have been taxed less, and therefore there is no guarantee that you could have ever been able to afford more real estate.
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Surfer dude on lobster stamps and Obamaphone lady can go fuck themselves. Neither are feeble or infirm.
There is no such thing as an "Obamaphone"
If there is fraud in the food stamp program, then figure out how to curtail it instead of destroying the program for people who legitimately need it. Why don't you "conservatives" understand this principle?
Those two examples aren't committing fraud. They are following the law. The law sucks. Which is not to say that they aren't parasitic bloodsucking bums themselvesQuote:
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How much did you pay last year? My guess is it isn't shit. You are quite cavalier with giving away other people's money. I got a better idea. Give your own away.
Why does it matter how much I paid?
Becauuse you seem to be pretty cavalier about giving away other people's money and I was just curious about what pittance of it was yours.Quote:
Since it is such an important issue to you, as a full time college student working nearly full time, I paid about $2700 in Federal Income taxes after refund, and about $1200 in state income taxes, after refund. I made roughly $19,000 or so last year, which is roughly 14% Federal Income tax rate, and a 6.3% State Income tax rate, plus Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.
So, I'm not one of those 0% bums you talk about, so stop fucking saying I am.
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Workmen's compensation covers workplace accidents. I pay roughly 15% of payroll for that for what I do. That isn't health insurance or a benefit. You don't know anything about the real world, do you?
I'm sure a lot of your undocumented workers are eager to step up and claim workman's comp 
I don't have any illegal workers and workmen's comp isn't for the protection of the employee. It is to protect the employer from getting sued. The illegals are actually in a position to sue both the employer and the homeowner. Is there anything that you do know about the real world?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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Food stamps cost the average tax payer more then welfare; but, Corporate subsidies cost more then the two combined multiplied tenfold. People need to stop blaming the poor, and start blaming the government and the corporations they represent for their high taxes.
I'm sure we can all agree that some people abuse government assistance, but the MAJORITY of people actually do rely on those programs for the well being of their family, and plenty of people stop receiving assistance when they're in a better part of their life.
Those among you who want to turn this country into some third world shit hole, by ending these programs completely, have absolutely no humanity. They would rather have kids starve then pay the slightest amount of their paycheck to help those in need. They even have the audacity to claim that these programs impede on their freedoms, they bitch and moan as of they're living in North Korea. To those among you reading this, you are the ignorant trash of this country. You can bet that if your fringe political groups do manage to have these programs ended; there will be nothing left for the poor to eat but the rich.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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Smokey420 said: Food stamps cost the average tax payer more then welfare; but, Corporate subsidies cost more then the two combined multiplied tenfold.
Cite a source for this claim. I'm sure you pulled this out of your ass.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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First, your source doesn't support your claim. Second, your source includes things that are clearly not subsidies.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
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Sounds like you pulled that out of your ass.
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The totals from your source are less than a trillion a year. How is that even close to ten times the cost of welfare as you claimed?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil]
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Someone who makes $50,000 a year pays $43.78 for welfare and food stamps per year The same person pays $4000 a year for corporate subsidies. It's more then tenfold.
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Enlil] 1
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In 2011 alone the governments of the United States gave away almost a trillion dollars in means tested largesse. This does not include Medicare or Soc Sec. Not taxing someone is not the same as giving them something and tax havens are irrelevant. Most everything else is bullshit as well.
Smokey if you think that the idiot poor who can't even support themselves will somehow manage to persuade the vast majority that do to violently rise up to support their loser asses you need to put down the pipe and the bottle. They are doing bad things to you.
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Smokey420 said: Someone who makes $50,000 a year pays $43.78 for welfare and food stamps per year The same person pays $4000 a year for corporate subsidies. It's more then tenfold.
It is, of course, complete bullshit
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: Smokey420]
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Smokey420 said: Someone who makes $50,000 a year pays $43.78 for welfare and food stamps per year The same person pays $4000 a year for corporate subsidies. It's more then tenfold.
Where is your source for that claim?
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Re: Why The Butthurt About The 'Food Stamp Cuts?' [Re: zappaisgod]
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I already gave you the source. I'm out.
By the way Zappa, enjoying the new mayor yet? What did he win by again, 75% of the vote?
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Your source doesn't say anything about how much welfare costs.
You pulled that out of your ass, didn't you.
Welfare is over a trillion a year...I doubt 43 bucks covers it.
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Yeah, a raving drooling nutcase who is full of shit http://www.commondreams.org/paul-buchheit
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By the way Zappa, enjoying the new mayor yet? What did he win by again, 75% of the vote?
Not my mayor. I don't live in the city and he hasn't been sworn in yet. I expect he will succeed at increasing the number of young Negro males who will be homicide victims and driving even more rich earners out of the tax base.
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You can refute my sources all you want. You haven't posted a single one.
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3. $722 for Interest Rate Subsidies for Banks
According to the Huffington Post, the "U.S. Government Essentially Gives The Banks 3 Cents Of Every Tax Dollar." They cite research that calculates a nearly 1 percent benefit to banks when they borrow, through bonds and customer deposits and other liabilities. This amounts to a taxpayer subsidy of $83 billion, or about $722 from every American family.
The wealthiest five banks -- JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and Goldman Sachs -- account for three-quarters of the total subsidy. The Huffington Post article notes that without the taxpayer subsidy, those banks would not make a profit. In other words, "the profits they report are essentially transfers from taxpayers to their shareholders."
4. $350 for Retirement Fund Bank Fees
This was a tough one to calculate. Demos reports that over a lifetime, bank fees can "cost a median-income two-earner family nearly $155,000 and consume nearly one-third of their investment returns." Fees are well over one percent a year.
However, the Economic Policy Institute notes that the average middle-quintile retirement account is $34,981. A conservative one percent annual management fee translates to about $350 per family. This, again, is an average; many families have no retirement account. But many families pay much more than 1% in annual fees.
5. $1,268 for Overpriced Medications
According to Dean Baker, "government granted patent monopolies raise the price of prescription drugs by close to $270 billion a year compared to the free market price." This represents an astonishing annual cost of over $2,000 to an average American family.
OECD figures on pharmaceutical expenditures reveal that Americans spend almost twice the OECD average on drugs, an additional $460 per capita. This translates to $1,268 per household.
6. $870 for Corporate Tax Subsidies
We've heard a lot about tax avoidance and tax breaks for the super-rich. With regard to corporations alone, the Tax Foundation has concluded that their "special tax provisions" cost taxpayers over $100 billion per year, or $870 per family. Corporate benefits include items such as Graduated Corporate Income, Inventory Property Sales, Research and Experimentation Tax Credit, Accelerated Depreciation, and Deferred taxes.
Once again, it may be even worse. Citizens for Tax Justice cite a Government Accountability Office report that calculated a loss to the Treasury of $181 billion from corporate tax expenditures. That would be almost $1,600 per family.
7. $1,231 for Revenue Losses from Corporate Tax Havens
U.S. PIRG recently reported that the average 2012 taxpayer paid an extra $1,026 in taxes to make up for the revenue lost from offshore tax havens by corporations and wealthy individuals. With 138 million taxpayers (1.2 per household), that comes to $1,231 per household.
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Massachusetts sucks balls,take it from someone who lives here.
my license to carry (LTC) or pistol permit has my photo,address,signature,place of birth and a FUCKING INDEX FINGERPRINT. Its almost cost prohibitive,almost. To boot, my last renewal was delayed 4 months because some fat fuck bureaucrat couldn't check his in box, fortunately my police chief issuing authority is an upstanding citizen and tore someone's ass.
contrast that with the EBT or welfare card. No photo, no real background check, hardly any verification and no limit on what it could be used for. News reports ran rampant of cards being used for cigarettes,lottery tickets,casino binges,atm cash advances and vacations in costs Rica.
when it came time for a vote on whether to put photos on ebt, it was voted down because it would cost to much. As opposed to the millions already stolen or fraudulently acquired.
I used to empathize with people who caught a tough break,but not any more.
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