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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: JMooreOnYoutube]
#19083658 - 11/04/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is against what America stands for. You can't go after someone who just made a comment. What is this the Middle East now? That cop can go suck my white dick. Fuck you dumb ass piggy.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: GreenGrassMatt] 1
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Im gonna go spam their facebook
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: mukhail]
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: mukhail]
#19084708 - 11/04/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I noticed that the pig did not respond to the part of comment that said marijuana going to be legal soon anyway. This pig has to know that the war on cannabis is almost over and he just wants to destroy as many lives as he can.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: overstand]
#19085043 - 11/04/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The funny thing is that the comment in no way implied that the commenter smokes marijuana, it just stated an opinion on the police force and their waste of resources on piddly shit.
If anything, that cop can be sued for false accusations and slander. But that's probably not going to happen.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: lowbrow]
#19085049 - 11/04/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The way I see it, both parties in this dispute were exercising their right to free speech.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19085375 - 11/04/13 01:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thank you for sharing your views and giving us reasonable suspicion to believe you might be a criminal, we will work on finding you.
It might still be considered free speech but that last part of the quote sure does sound ominous. I can imagine police resources being wasted if the roles were reversed and it was an ordinary citizen threatening a cop that s/he would work on finding them. They really should have omitted the last part of that statement before posting it online.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19085433 - 11/04/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The citizen was obviously engaging in free speech. He was advocating for better allocation of police resources as well as changes to the law. The First Amendment was written for exactly this kind of speech, and even the dumbest judge in South Carolina would have to agree. No speech is more protected than political speech.
Which is why the semi-literate police chief was in the wrong. As a public official, he has no business threatening someone with investigation or arrest for desiring changes in public policy. He has a First Amendment right as a private citizen to say it, but he should very obviously be fired for doing so as a public official with powers far beyond that of an average citizen.
I can say the police should arrest you for wanting changes to the law. But a police chief can't say he's going to do it, as that chills your right to free speech.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Ythan]
#19088956 - 11/05/13 08:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: "..o'er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.."
Makes 'Murrca look bad, why on earth would they "work on finding" him? Sounds like a bad-natured jackass on a power trip to me.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Alan Rockefeller] 1
#19089499 - 11/05/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: The way I see it, both parties in this dispute were exercising their right to free speech.
Incorrect. The cop was clearly threatening an illegal investigation (and therefore harassment) of a citizen for exercising his constitutional right to free speech. Some might even say that harassment by police could contain elements of violence. Arrest / imprisonment is certainly a somewhat violent act. So this does potentially become a threat to violence. Being the target of an investigation, especially a frivolous one that could be seen as harassment, is certainly an intimidating thing. And I suggest it was meant to be intimidating. Which is completely improper, especially when aimed at one particular citizen who has neither been convicted, nor charged with a crime. Had the cop made a general statement ("And I put all drug criminals on notice that we will not tolerate...") that would have been legal, and perfectly acceptable, if not stupid, short-sighted, and all kinds of other petty stuff.
Further, aside from the fact that this was potential threat of violence, and was certainly designed to intimidate a particular citizen, there are other issues / elements to this case.
This guy was not speaking as a private citizen. He was speaking from a position of authority, from an official police account. And just like a prisoner gives up some of their rights, or (better yet) a soldier gives up some of their rights, so does a cop. At least while they are on the job, on the clock, or working in some official capacity.
For example, an on-duty cop pulling over a woman and making lewd sexual remarks. Were he a civilian in a casual encounter, lewd remarks would be legal (up to a point.) But during a traffic stop, even a "nice tits" from the cop would make him way, way way in the wrong, and liable for disciplinary action.
Likewise, an on-duty cop, or a cop acting in an official capacity does not have 100% right to free speech in the same way as a citizen. And such a statement as he made is harassment, intimidation, and a clear violation of that citizen's rights, peace of mind, safety, as well as intimidation as retaliation for exercising his constitutional right to free speech as a citizen.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Uzziel]
#19092700 - 11/05/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Uzziel said: Wow thats fucked for speaking your mind you get a cop threatening you.
Imagine that!
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: GrimTroll]
#19093082 - 11/05/13 10:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cops are necessary. Nobody likes the idea of being charged or arrested for anything, but without somebody to enforce the law, there would be absolute chaos, in a very violent and gruesome way.
The police shouldn't harass and arrest people for simple drug possession (especially for drugs like marijuana), but that isn't a problem with our police - it's a problem with our policy!
That being said, many cops make it their goal to stomp out nonviolent drug offenders, over more important and pressing issues - whatever the reason. That's not right. An officer should definitely be looking to reduce violence and crime that hurts one another. It's like ignoring a murder call to catch a speeder - which I'm sure many cops would do.
However, this officer did step out of line by threatening arrest for posting a political opinion.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Magick]
#19093173 - 11/05/13 11:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Magick said: Cops are necessary. Nobody likes the idea of being charged or arrested for anything, but without somebody to enforce the law, there would be absolute chaos, in a very violent and gruesome way.
The police shouldn't harass and arrest people for simple drug possession (especially for drugs like marijuana), but that isn't a problem with our police - it's a problem with our policy!
That being said, many cops make it their goal to stomp out nonviolent drug offenders, over more important and pressing issues - whatever the reason. That's not right. An officer should definitely be looking to reduce violence and crime that hurts one another. It's like ignoring a murder call to catch a speeder - which I'm sure many cops would do.
However, this officer did step out of line by threatening arrest for posting a political opinion.
That's such bullshit. People have been shown to self govern themselves in absence of a referee. Its not like all a sudden morals and good will automatically disappear if cops just vanished.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: dark3st]
#19094041 - 11/06/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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dark3st said:
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Magick said: Cops are necessary. Nobody likes the idea of being charged or arrested for anything, but without somebody to enforce the law, there would be absolute chaos, in a very violent and gruesome way.
The police shouldn't harass and arrest people for simple drug possession (especially for drugs like marijuana), but that isn't a problem with our police - it's a problem with our policy!
That being said, many cops make it their goal to stomp out nonviolent drug offenders, over more important and pressing issues - whatever the reason. That's not right. An officer should definitely be looking to reduce violence and crime that hurts one another. It's like ignoring a murder call to catch a speeder - which I'm sure many cops would do.
However, this officer did step out of line by threatening arrest for posting a political opinion.
That's such bullshit. People have been shown to self govern themselves in absence of a referee. Its not like all a sudden morals and good will automatically disappear if cops just vanished.
They may not "magically" disappear, but they would surely "rapidly" disappear.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#19094161 - 11/06/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, I doubt it.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19094348 - 11/06/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CidneyIndole said:
Incorrect. The cop was clearly threatening an illegal investigation (and therefore harassment) of a citizen for exercising his constitutional right to free speech.
What law says they can‘t do that?
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19094649 - 11/06/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms said:
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That's such bullshit. People have been shown to self govern themselves in absence of a referee. Its not like all a sudden morals and good will automatically disappear if cops just vanished.
They may not "magically" disappear, but they would surely "rapidly" disappear.
Hey, maybe you're not out there right now raping and pillaging away because it's illegal, and there are cops, and you are afraid of them.... but I believe many of us are not doing that kind of stuff because it's not in our nature, and we're decent people who want to mind our own business and get along.
Sure, sometimes I want to smack someone. No, the law is usually not what stops me from doing so.
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Incorrect. The cop was clearly threatening an illegal investigation (and therefore harassment) of a citizen for exercising his constitutional right to free speech.
What law says they can‘t do that?
What law says the cops can't make illegal threats against citizens, while on duty, and/or falsely investigate them, and harass them in retaliation for exercising their first amendment right? Is that really what you're asking me?
Well, if the first amendment means a wet squat other than just ink on paper, than the first amendment does, for one. However, I just took quite a lot of time to explain my position and reasoning. How about you tell me which law says they can do that?
(And don't say the first amendment-- we already addressed that.)
Sure, the cops can just make any threats they want, against anyone. Especially while on the job. And that's 100% legal and not wrong at all. No law against that. Just like they can sit parked outside your house every single night for three years, and follow you everywhere you go, and put up posters of you in you community with your picture, that say: "Really Bad Man. Not Under Arrest, but Under Investigation-- Look Out!" And throw eggs at you, and rape your mother, and burn your house down, and shit on the corpses of your children after they burn to death.
  
Honestly, the way you write, I bet you do think cops can legally do all that stuff. Or should be able to. But they can't. Doing any of those things would violate numerous laws and personal rights, except for the investigation one IF and ONLY IF they had valid reason to be investigating. The cops can not frivolously follow you around, just because they don't like you or what you stand for.
Why don't you look it up? Better yet-- shoot an email off the the ACLU and see what they have to say about it.
Do you actually read the shit you write sometimes, Alan, or bother thinking about it at all? Because honestly, it really does not seem that way, sometimes.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: CidneyIndole]
#19094673 - 11/06/13 10:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CidneyIndole said: but I believe many of us are not doing that kind of stuff because it's not in our nature, and we're decent people who want to mind our own business and get along.
Correct. Many of us are not, for the reasons quoted.
That won't stop those who aren't decent people. Without a police force, those wanting to do right will be faced with 2 choices. Be the bitch of the baddies, or create a police force.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19094676 - 11/06/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Incorrect. The cop was clearly threatening an illegal investigation (and therefore harassment) of a citizen for exercising his constitutional right to free speech.
What law says they can‘t do that?
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
The legal machinery of the state cannot be used to inhibit lawful political speech.
This is pretty basic, and not at all a gray area.
Just imagine a police chief who issued a press release announcing that his department will be investigating all citizens who campaign for Barack Obama, or who promote a state initiative to legalize gay marriage.
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Re: Pro-pot comment earns Facebook user a personalized arrest threat from South Carolina police chief [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#19095023 - 11/06/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And here's a great question I forgot to include in my last post:
If you think what this cop did was so right then tell me.... why did he go back and very quickly erase the message?
Y'know... if he was in the right, and perfectly legal, and simply exercising his free speech to state his opinion? Why in the world would he go back very quickly and delete something he said, under such circumstances? It's almost as if he suddenly realized he did something very, very stupid.
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CidneyIndole said: but I believe many of us are not doing that kind of stuff because it's not in our nature, and we're decent people who want to mind our own business and get along.
Correct. Many of us are not, for the reasons quoted.
That won't stop those who aren't decent people. Without a police force, those wanting to do right will be faced with 2 choices. Be the bitch of the baddies, or create a police force.
I hear what you're saying. And I'm not trying to argue that we need zero government, or don't need cops or whatever. Just clearing up a common misconception.
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