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Chaga and Gym-liota?
#19078999 - 11/03/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Suspect Chaga: Growing from yellow birch, was extremely hard, but some bits would crumble off. I gave it a roundhouse kick to try and knock it off and just bruised my heel.

Pholiota with the spores washed off by rain? The cap is wet but not viscid. Around 4 inches in diameter No annulus on stem, brown bruising, uniform thickness.


Ganoderma applanatum

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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079008 - 11/03/13 06:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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2. i'd bet on Galerina...
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: bloodworm]
#19079028 - 11/03/13 07:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That looks like chaga to me but the best way to tell is to cut off a piece and look at the inside.
I'd guess Cortinarius for two. Was it growing terrestrially?
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19079036 - 11/03/13 07:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd guess Cortinarius for two. Was it growing terrestrially?
good call.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: bloodworm]
#19079038 - 11/03/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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#2 had rusty brown spores and was growing clustered, at the trunk of a dead tree maple or oak most likely. I can upload more pictures of it if you would like?
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079051 - 11/03/13 07:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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please do. definitely sounding more like a Pholiota now.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: bloodworm]
#19079060 - 11/03/13 07:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess I deleted them, I'll run back up in the woods and snap some. Oh the joys of finding stuff 5 minutes from your house!
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079062 - 11/03/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's up to you. It might help us make more accurate guesses. I was just making a stab with the umbillicate cap and the gills are turning rusty. Corts don't usually grow clustered.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19079137 - 11/03/13 07:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This may will just make things more confusing. They are pretty well past their prime at this point.
Could the caps shape be from being smashed against the others? Most of the others don't have that umbillicate cap. One other did. The aborted pins look extra gymy to me for some reason.


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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079146 - 11/03/13 07:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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This cluster just screams Pholiota to me.... Most confusing find ever...
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079149 - 11/03/13 07:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They're Pholiota due to the brownish spore print on the cap in the second pic. The cap shape is due to them being old.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19079171 - 11/03/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet, thanks for the help! What should I be looking for when I cut into the chaga?
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079242 - 11/03/13 08:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice pics and finds Lsms! Also I think youre right the last one looks like artists conk
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079250 - 11/03/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lsms said: What should I be looking for when I cut into the chaga?
Should look something like this, brown / almost orange-ish color in parts.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: xfsketch]
#19079292 - 11/03/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks, I'm getting pretty good at crappy cell phone photos, it's like being the smartest kid on the short bus... I thought the first picture of it looked a little fishy. Pun intended. There was like 20 of them on that birch tree. You would of been in etching heaven. 
I am going to have to check back in with that suspect chaga, as soon as I find a machete or something that will cut it.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079327 - 11/03/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19079407 - 11/03/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lsms said: I am going to have to check back in with that suspect chaga, as soon as I find a machete or something that will cut it.
Try a chisel and hammer and pry bar. Chisel a channel around and then pop it off with the bar? More of a chance of getting it off in one big chunk rather than bits. That's easier to control than trying to whang at a bump on a tree with a machete, axe or hatchet.
But I've never found chaga, so this is an unproven method for that fungus. I sometimes carry a chisel, a small stubby hammer and a mini pry bar for other conks. I try not to sully the undersurace with my grubby paws and those tools are very helpful, but damned heavy.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: fry day]
#19079416 - 11/03/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Luckily this one isn't too far out there. I will try it and report back. Hopefully I am not just trying to pry a knot out of the tree.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: fry day]
#19079667 - 11/03/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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fry day said: Try a chisel and hammer and pry bar. Chisel a channel around and then pop it off with the bar? More of a chance of getting it off in one big chunk rather than bits. That's easier to control than trying to whang at a bump on a tree with a machete, axe or hatchet.
But I've never found chaga, so this is an unproven method for that fungus. I sometimes carry a chisel, a small stubby hammer and a mini pry bar for other conks. I try not to sully the undersurace with my grubby paws and those tools are very helpful, but damned heavy.
Yeah I agree I've found it easy to jam something in the side of it and pry, you can usually get the majority of it to pop off in one or two chunks.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Forrester]
#19083585 - 11/04/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I lived in and when I visit Vermont I have always used a big rock for chaga.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Forrester]
#19084761 - 11/04/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I chiseled around in with a knife and rock. It seemed to work pretty well.
Way to tell me it hurts when accidentally you punch the chaga!
  
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19084935 - 11/04/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone have a good method to dry this? I've just left it sitting in the sun.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19085210 - 11/04/13 12:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You must break it up into smaller chunks/slices while it's fresh, both to help it dry before rot can set in and to make it easy to prepare later, when it will be rock hard.
Fer instance, if you plan to grind it in a coffee grinder or such, mangle it into pieces that will fit into the appliance...
If not grinding, you can use a chunk or a slice in the pot, and keep reusing it until the color of the tea fades, meaning you've used it all up.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: fry day]
#19085344 - 11/04/13 01:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks! Here's the plan I have come up with after much pondering Do try to shoot it down if at all possible.
How does chunkin' it up small enough so that it will fit in a dehydrator sound? Let that baby go overnight and store the chunks in quart jars?
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19086925 - 11/04/13 07:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Whatever works for ya - if you have a dehydrator just do it. ;-) Might take more than overnite, tho'.
I'm always afraid when folks want to leave these big chunks to air dry in the winter. Yuk. Might work in the summer with full blazin' sun and dry air, but not in the cold and damp. But I'm in Oregon and move my dehumidifier around all year to suck out the damp in my belongings so I'm perhaps a bit hyper on this perticular topic. 
I've contemplated using my miter saw to slice up big stuff, but somehow it seems inappropropriate, a waste of some of the material, and slightly dangerous because of the irregular shapes. I slice smaller conks with a serrated blade but it's a bitch, big ones I'd really have no choice, not strong enough to saw through 'em with a bread knife. No chaga here to wrestle with, tho'.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: fry day]
#19087215 - 11/04/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cool congrats on the Chaga!!! Looks like goldy inside which is what I saw someone posted for you earlier lsms reminds me of petrified volcanic ash.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: xfsketch]
#19087216 - 11/04/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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P.s. Your knuckles look painful. I been there took a month to heal lol.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: fry day]
#19087837 - 11/04/13 10:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've contemplated using my miter saw to slice up big stuff, but somehow it seems inappropropriate, a waste of some of the material, and slightly dangerous because of the irregular shapes. I slice smaller conks with a serrated blade but it's a bitch, big ones I'd really have no choice, not strong enough to saw through 'em with a bread knife. No chaga here to wrestle with, tho'.
know anyone with a hobby band saw? you might be able to rig a jig to hold the bigger chunks and then slice off bits
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: lsms]
#19087947 - 11/04/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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lsms said: How does chunkin' it up small enough so that it will fit in a dehydrator sound? Let that baby go overnight and store the chunks in quart jars?
That's exactly what I do, works well. Overnight is usually long enough for me, although my chunks aren't that big or they won't fit in the dehydrator.
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RuralAnomaly said: know anyone with a hobby band saw? you might be able to rig a jig to hold the bigger chunks and then slice off bits
I've got a bandsaw in the shed, no blade on it, haven't used one for years... Seems that might be a bit safer than the miter, the blade wants to violently fling pieces that are not long and/or flat enough to nestle in the stops and be held firmly while the blade bites. I have the idea that fine teeth on the band would hold less potential for that, but with nothing to anchor a chunk on the band table I'm not sure how that could work outside of a slideable jig or something similar beyond my meager fab skills.
I sure wish someone else with more saw skills would figure that out and let us know. ;-)
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: fry day] 1
#19089166 - 11/05/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you could glue the part you don't want (the outer crust) to a block of anything, 2x4 for example, and let it set overnight to harden, use a fast drying wood glue - then you can shave off chaga and not fingertips by holding the 2x4 flat against the table, just make sure when you glue it, its sitting on a flat surface so when you go to cut some of the chaga is on the table too to minimize the torque on the blade and make it easier to push thru you might have to take a file to the chaga side to flatten/rough it a bit to get a good hold on the glue
i'm just brainstorming, i've never chopped up a chaga and don't know how well that glue would hold or if layers would separate but from what you went through to get it off, it looks tough enough lol
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I went with the hammer and pillow case technique I saw somewhere. It worked alright except the pillow case got torn up even worse than my hand.
This is what I couldn't fit in the dehydrator, is leaving it on top of the wood stove a bad idea?
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RuralAnomaly said: you could glue the part you don't want (the outer crust) to a block of anything, 2x4 for example
You DO want the outer crust (the black burnt looking part) if you're using it medicinally though.
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Forrester]
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ah HA, well. don't want any glue with your medicine. looks like your method works just fine without getting so involved anyway
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Congrats on the hunk of chaga! FAB find!
It's the only mushroom left i REALLY would love to find...when in Scotland next i'm dedicating all my time to hunt for it :-) Might get a few queer looks wandering around the wilderness yielding an axe! hahaaa..
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Re: Chaga and Gym-liota? [Re: Forrester]
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RuralAnomaly said: you could glue the part you don't want (the outer crust) to a block of anything, 2x4 for example
Thanks for the inspiration... That's sometimes why I ramble on a bit, trying to spur some other ideas... Now I'm thinking that if you have a big chunk, you make your first two cuts to quarter it and give you two flat sides on each piece, one on the table and the other nestled up against the back support on the miter. If they're big enough you use a hand to support it until the piece gets too small, then a piece of wood or such... Now it seems doable without losing a digit or two or launching chunks. LOL.
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Forrester said: You DO want the outer crust (the black burnt looking part) if you're using it medicinally though.
That is my understanding also...
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