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Bubbles85

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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Littleman]
#19063054 - 10/31/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Bubbles85]
#19063119 - 10/31/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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next time try to get the base with the mushroom on a few of those specimens, see if they are actually bruising.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Hashfinger
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19063213 - 10/31/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is there any way to distinguish between pelliculosa and silvatica without a microscope?
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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Joust
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19063286 - 10/31/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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not with any certainty.
Remember Neos Washers?
Those turned out to be pelliculosa with micro.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Hashfinger
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19063342 - 10/31/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust said: not with any certainty.
Remember Neos Washers?
Those turned out to be pelliculosa with micro.
No I don't remember those. But they sure are pretty!
-------------------- Species List (Georgia): Psilocybe caerulescens/weilii, Psilocybe atlantis/galindoi, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybe fagicola, Copelandia cyanescens, Panaeolus cinctulus, Panaeolus fimicola, Panaeolus olivaceus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus, Gymnopilus junonius, Pluteus salicinus (Ohio): Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata, Psilocybe caerulipes, Pluteus cyanopus, Pluteus salicinus sensu lato..., Panaeolus cinctulus, Gymnopilus luteus, Gymnopilus luteofolius, Gymnopilus junonius, Gymnopilus aeruginosus
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MonkeyJesusFresco
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Hashfinger]
#19063566 - 10/31/13 01:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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okay guys, I give up, help me out; 
what features pictured in the pics of the original post scream Psilocybe and not Mycena???
habitat?
nvrmind, image search
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Edited by MonkeyJesusFresco (10/31/13 01:48 PM)
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kcrocker802
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You can see a purple brown spore deposit on one of the specimens first off. They look to sturdy and a little to large of Mycena. The gill color.
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: kcrocker802]
#19063657 - 10/31/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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OK GUYS
UPDATE.
After the nights wait for my spore prints I came out empty handed and the specimens I collected dried out :/ Which means I have no print and no way to take a look under my scope. Sucks, I know.
I'am determined to put everyone's curiosities to rest as well as my own with solid evidence so I will reharvest some today as I go out and reprocess, though I do believe what I have here is P.Silvatica with the following all being true.
The cap: is 0.8— 2(2.5) cm broad and is obtusely conic, becoming broadly campanulate to broadly conic, often with an acute umbo. It is tawny dark brown when moist, fading to pale yellowish brown or grayish brown. It is even to striatulate when moist, smooth, hygrophanous, and viscid when moist from a thin gelatinous pellicle that is barely separable, if at all. It sometimes has a grayish-green tinge along the margin. It fades to pale buff.
The gills: are adnate to adnexed, close to subdistant, narrow to moderately broad, and dull grayish brown to cinnamon brown at first then smoky brown at maturity, edges remaining whitish.
The stipe: is 2— 8 cm long by 1— 3 mm thick, equal to slightly enlarged at the base, tubular, and somewhat flexuous. It is pallid to brownish beneath a silky fibrillose covering. It becomes darker towards the base, partial veil poorly developed, cortinate, thin to obscure, and soon absent. It is slightly bluish-green at base.
It is gregarious but not cespitose on wood debris or on wood chips or in well-decayed conifer substratum or among fallen leaves of hardwoods from the end of September until December. It is known from Ontario, Canada the Pacific Northwest, Michigan, New York, and northern Europe. The Northwest and European finds are more recent; it was once only known in the northeast.
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19074799 - 11/02/13 11:59 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Final Update. Sorry this took so long. My microscope is kind of janky, so I'm not sure how much use these pictures are.
Original Patch:

Bluing Near Base:

Dark Gills:

Spores & Print:




 View My Video
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Joust
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19074875 - 11/02/13 12:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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any bluing? id like to see a full micro done if there is some.
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19074891 - 11/02/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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There seems to be natural bluing on the stems, especially on the dryer few. When I give them a pinch they seem to go green until they dry blue. As far as some more microscope work I have a new lens on the way. Hopefully I can pull some better pictures of these spores in a few days.
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Joust
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19074902 - 11/02/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DabShroomin said: There seems to be natural bluing on the stems, especially on the dryer few. When I give them a pinch they seem to go green until they dry blue. As far as some more microscope work I have a new lens on the way. Hopefully I can pull some better pictures of these spores in a few days.
it would be best to measure them.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19074944 - 11/02/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Let me see if I cant get a solid measurement. That might be the best I can do at the moment until my Melzer's Reagent and lens arrives.
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Joust
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19074957 - 11/02/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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DabShroomin said: Let me see if I cant get a solid measurement. That might be the best I can do at the moment until my Melzer's Reagent and lens arrives.
melzers is pretty pointless other than checking the reaction, i would get a eyepiece reticle if you can.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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Joust
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19074961 - 11/02/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Joust said:
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DabShroomin said: Let me see if I cant get a solid measurement. That might be the best I can do at the moment until my Melzer's Reagent and lens arrives.
melzers is pretty pointless other than checking the reaction, i would get a eyepiece reticle if you can.
Also if you dont end up feeling confident about the ID, I would be happy to take a look at them under my scope and post some pics, i just got it up and running again.
-------------------- ~~~~~~***Psilocybin Mushrooms***~~~~~~ _________A Practical Guide To Psilocybin Mushrooms_________ "Think about the species, not your scale". -NeoSporen "Mr. Joust, I see you don't actually partake in the psilocin, but it looks like it may partake in you!" -Gojira
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: Joust]
#19075018 - 11/02/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeahhh, I'll be getting my microscopes back together as I re-pick up this hobby. I'm all for you getting your hands on these just for the hell of it. You thinking just a slide of the spores mailed to you? W Quote:
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DabShroomin said: Let me see if I cant get a solid measurement. That might be the best I can do at the moment until my Melzer's Reagent and lens arrives.
melzers is pretty pointless other than checking the reaction, i would get a eyepiece reticle if you can.
Also if you dont end up feeling confident about the ID, I would be happy to take a look at them under my scope and post some pics, i just got it up and running again.
Yeahhh, I'll be getting my microscopes back together as I re-pick up this hobby. Reagents are just for my notes. I'm all for you getting your hands on these just for the hell of it though. You thinking just a slide of the spores mailed to you? Wouldn't be a couple days being in the same state.
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knarkkorven
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19078819 - 11/03/13 04:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cool find!
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: knarkkorven]
#19080711 - 11/03/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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knarkkorven said: Cool find! 
Thanks! They've been fun.
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jet li
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: DabShroomin]
#19080739 - 11/03/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just want to point out the lack of any purple in the spore print...
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DabShroomin
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Re: Liberty Cap, Psilocybe semilanceata? ID [Re: jet li]
#19080839 - 11/03/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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jet li said: I just want to point out the lack of any purple in the spore print...
Yup, there isn't. I'm still not 100% sure what these are even. I'm eager to snag a few freshies and throw em under the new scope when it arrives.
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