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Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work?
#19078790 - 11/03/13 04:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Back in the day, prior to the 1970's, it used to be very common for people of prestige and wealth to donate to charity and do philanthropy work. Nowadays I feel like those days are dying and we are seeing this type of activity less and less frequently.
I guess my question is, are there any organizations that any of you are passionate about? Have you ever, or do you ever plan to volunteer or donate money to any of them? If you plan on leaving a will to any sort of charity or organization, who will you be donating to?
In the past, I've volunteered and donated to women's and children's domestic violence shelters, to troubled youth crisis centers, to gay and lesbian centers, and to sober living houses. My favorite work that I did out of all of them was working with at-risk youth. They ended up inviting me to a formal banquet with the LAPD one year, and I got to meet the chief of police, and Mayor Villaraigoisa, and the general consul of Mexico.
When I die, I definitely plan on donating a substantial portion to NPR, the exact percentage would depend on how many living relatives I have left by the time I pass. I would like to donate to two more causes, but my ability to do so will depend on exactly how much I have acquired by the time I pass.
One, is that I would like to set up a fund to give a scholarship to give at least 1 lucky student a chance to attend my university for free. This student would have to have overcome a previous drug addiction to qualify for the scholarship, and will have to write an essay about the ordeal that they have overcome. I would like to write the guidelines so that a person who has struggled with homelessness due to addiction will qualify first for the scholarship, and a person who has endured incarceration due to drug use or drug possession will be the next best candidate.
Two, is that I would like to set up a fund to one particular hospital I used to live by, to set up a charity care program to give some form of financial aid to people who cannot afford to pay for medical care and do not qualify for payment reductions by the hospital, or for government assistance.
And I plan on doing all this in the form of life insurance, so that none of the beneficiaries will have to pay most of it to federal and state estate taxes. Cause SCREW YOU GOVERNMENT!!! 
What about any of you? Do you have any dreams about committing yourself to charitable work, such as joining the Peace Corps?
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Crystal G]
#19078887 - 11/03/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Back in the day, prior to the 1970's, it used to be very common for people of prestige and wealth to donate to charity and do philanthropy work. Nowadays I feel like those days are dying and we are seeing this type of activity less and less frequently.
you feel like they're dying... it means you havent looked, Cheney donated $7mil of his $9mil income to charity without making a big ruckus about it, libtards such as bill and melinda gates being some of the wealthiest people on the planet set up a foundation for charitable giving, the catch is that their money wont go into the foundation until after their deaths but you can donate and it'll be promptly distributed before the end of the year
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Crystal G said: Back in the day, prior to the 1970's, it used to be very common for people of prestige and wealth to donate to charity and do philanthropy work. Nowadays I feel like those days are dying and we are seeing this type of activity less and less frequently.
you feel like they're dying... it means you havent looked, Cheney donated $7mil of his $9mil income to charity without making a big ruckus about it, libtards such as bill and melinda gates being some of the wealthiest people on the planet set up a foundation for charitable giving, the catch is that their money wont go into the foundation until after their deaths but you can donate and it'll be promptly distributed before the end of the year
I'm aware of Bill Gates' donations, I have heard from sources that he contributes over 90% of his income to charities and his children reportedly only get a tiny percentage of what he has earned.
I'm wondering though, if I were to hypothetically set up a fund for a university or a hospital solely for the purpose of its designated intention that I directed... they wouldn't be allowed to use those funds for anything other than what I designated in the will, correct? Or is there some legal loophole where they can use that donated money for whatever crap they want?
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Crystal G]
#19078992 - 11/03/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think you'd need to get a lawyer and have a contract drawn up and then you could probably hold the payee accountable.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: moonrockmushy]
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If you plan on leaving a will to any sort of charity or organization, who will you be donating to?
before yesterday i didnt even know people put things like that in their will
i was reading national geographic on water conservation and there was a page that you could fill out to put nat geo in your will
i was like 
i have no money to give at the moment, i did volunteer at a cancer center place for just an hour a week, for a couple months, i should get back into it
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: Back in the day, prior to the 1970's, it used to be very common for people of prestige and wealth to donate to charity and do philanthropy work. Nowadays I feel like those days are dying and we are seeing this type of activity less and less frequently.
you feel like they're dying... it means you havent looked, Cheney donated $7mil of his $9mil income to charity without making a big ruckus about it, libtards such as bill and melinda gates being some of the wealthiest people on the planet set up a foundation for charitable giving, the catch is that their money wont go into the foundation until after their deaths but you can donate and it'll be promptly distributed before the end of the year
I'm aware of Bill Gates' donations, I have heard from sources that he contributes over 90% of his income to charities and his children reportedly only get a tiny percentage of what he has earned.
that's all after his death, those arent donations, it's a bequeathment, a donation is something you give while you're alive. seems gates doesnt want to part with his cash until he cant have it anymore and in the mean time, he'll use your cash to show everyone how generous he is while his remains in a trust; which is invested in numerous companies; until his death and will be distributed within 20 years after his death and this ends the foundation and the trust
many of those trust investments are counter to what the foundations goals are
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I'm wondering though, if I were to hypothetically set up a fund for a university or a hospital solely for the purpose of its designated intention that I directed... they wouldn't be allowed to use those funds for anything other than what I designated in the will, correct? Or is there some legal loophole where they can use that donated money for whatever crap they want?
the vast majority of charities are scams on both ends. let's say you set up a fund for a hospital for children in which you take donations, to run this you need help, you have to establish a boad of directors that will all be paid, you'll need to get cash for their pay which means you need telemarketers, they'll also (most) will want to be paid, in between you'll need those mid level execs that will also want a slice of this tax free pie and the funny part, executive salaries can be set at any dollar amount and until the generated donations exceed the pay out to keep the place running, nothing has to be done with it toward the charitable end because it still isnt generating a 'profit', once donations exceed the payroll and operating expenses it does have to be payed out to maintain the NPO status
now lets see the other end, let's say you donate $1million to my charity, 90% of that money is going to pay me and my staff and exorbitant salary, it's taking care of my office lease and utilities as well as advertising and marketing, even for celebrity endorsements (PETA is notorious for paying celebs to be spokes people), this leaves 10% that goes to care at the hospital for children, once in the hospital they have staff that is paid out of the funds to find those suitable patients that need the financial assistance and even some that dont in order to eliminate any surpluses, of course the dispersal of funds could include new office furniture because a $4000 desk for a secretary is important since her old one had a few scratches and as long as the funds are used by the charity arm of the hospital it's still legal, and by the end of the day you may have had around 1-2% of your money actually going to help those it was intended to aid
recently there was a post in which someone wanted to donate food to a foodbank, the donations were refused, my pops was helping a friend, he took 2 truckloads of shoes to the salvation army (a shoe store his friend owned couldnt warehouse all the stock that was unsold), on his second trip he saw the workers cutting the sides of the shoes so they couldnt be used or resold and throwing all these new shoes in the dumpster, if you dontate clothes they'll sort them, ship them to china to be cut into rags, then be packaged and shipped back to the US to be sold for $4/bag as opposed to helping the poor in the US by providing jobs doing that same task
it's not hard to look and find that little of the cash you give to charity is pissed away, most of the times it's charities cancer, children and cops, I was solicited for donations for breast cancer awareness, I'm fucking aware of breast cancer, why not spend that money on research instead of marketing for a crap-ass charity that just brings it to your attention one month out of the year, even unions such as the AFL-CIO are calling themselves charities
here's a short list of shit charities, maybe out of a few hundred they researched, many charity rating sites rely on donor rating and public opinion for their data, these guys look at tax returns as well but the opinion skews data http://www.tampabay.com/americas-worst-charities/
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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that's all after his death, those arent donations, it's a bequeathment, a donation is something you give while you're alive. seems gates doesnt want to part with his cash until he cant have it anymore and in the mean time, he'll use your cash to show everyone how generous he is while his remains in a trust; which is invested in numerous companies; until his death and will be distributed within 20 years after his death and this ends the foundation and the trust
many of those trust investments are counter to what the foundations goals are
in that 20 years i bet a lot of people will find ways to suck as much as that wealth as they can before it ends up in charity
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: hidenseek1]
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that's all after his death, those arent donations, it's a bequeathment, a donation is something you give while you're alive. seems gates doesnt want to part with his cash until he cant have it anymore and in the mean time, he'll use your cash to show everyone how generous he is while his remains in a trust; which is invested in numerous companies; until his death and will be distributed within 20 years after his death and this ends the foundation and the trust
many of those trust investments are counter to what the foundations goals are
in that 20 years i bet a lot of people will find ways to suck as much as that wealth as they can before it ends up in charity
there's a board of trustees and an entire foundation to do that
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#19079174 - 11/03/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: that's all after his death, those arent donations, it's a bequeathment, a donation is something you give while you're alive. seems gates doesnt want to part with his cash until he cant have it anymore and in the mean time, he'll use your cash to show everyone how generous he is while his remains in a trust; which is invested in numerous companies; until his death and will be distributed within 20 years after his death and this ends the foundation and the trust
many of those trust investments are counter to what the foundations goals are
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I'm wondering though, if I were to hypothetically set up a fund for a university or a hospital solely for the purpose of its designated intention that I directed... they wouldn't be allowed to use those funds for anything other than what I designated in the will, correct? Or is there some legal loophole where they can use that donated money for whatever crap they want?
the vast majority of charities are scams on both ends. let's say you set up a fund for a hospital for children in which you take donations, to run this you need help, you have to establish a boad of directors that will all be paid, you'll need to get cash for their pay which means you need telemarketers, they'll also (most) will want to be paid, in between you'll need those mid level execs that will also want a slice of this tax free pie and the funny part, executive salaries can be set at any dollar amount and until the generated donations exceed the pay out to keep the place running, nothing has to be done with it toward the charitable end because it still isnt generating a 'profit', once donations exceed the payroll and operating expenses it does have to be payed out to maintain the NPO status
now lets see the other end, let's say you donate $1million to my charity, 90% of that money is going to pay me and my staff and exorbitant salary, it's taking care of my office lease and utilities as well as advertising and marketing, even for celebrity endorsements (PETA is notorious for paying celebs to be spokes people), this leaves 10% that goes to care at the hospital for children, once in the hospital they have staff that is paid out of the funds to find those suitable patients that need the financial assistance and even some that dont in order to eliminate any surpluses, of course the dispersal of funds could include new office furniture because a $4000 desk for a secretary is important since her old one had a few scratches and as long as the funds are used by the charity arm of the hospital it's still legal, and by the end of the day you may have had around 1-2% of your money actually going to help those it was intended to aid
recently there was a post in which someone wanted to donate food to a foodbank, the donations were refused, my pops was helping a friend, he took 2 truckloads of shoes to the salvation army (a shoe store his friend owned couldnt warehouse all the stock that was unsold), on his second trip he saw the workers cutting the sides of the shoes so they couldnt be used or resold and throwing all these new shoes in the dumpster, if you dontate clothes they'll sort them, ship them to china to be cut into rags, then be packaged and shipped back to the US to be sold for $4/bag as opposed to helping the poor in the US by providing jobs doing that same task
it's not hard to look and find that little of the cash you give to charity is pissed away, most of the times it's charities cancer, children and cops, I was solicited for donations for breast cancer awareness, I'm fucking aware of breast cancer, why not spend that money on research instead of marketing for a crap-ass charity that just brings it to your attention one month out of the year, even unions such as the AFL-CIO are calling themselves charities
here's a short list of shit charities, maybe out of a few hundred they researched, many charity rating sites rely on donor rating and public opinion for their data, these guys look at tax returns as well but the opinion skews data http://www.tampabay.com/americas-worst-charities/
I know about the scams of charities and how much people skim off the top. That's why I wasn't going to leave behind money to any established charities aside from NPR (which doesn't really count as a charity, I just really appreciate their style of journalism and the stories they bring to the public. I would like to see them continue and donations are vital to their survival). Instead of giving money to charities, I would rather set up my own charity such as a homeless shelter or formerly trafficked sex workers shelter that I could account for and know exactly where the funds were going to, or I would set it up in a way such as the scenario that I described in my first post.
For example, the scholarship fund would be virtually foolproof, since the money is not being directed through the university or through any board of education. You would really only need to pay one person to advertise the scholarship to various school websites or send flyers to drug rehabilitation centers, then read all the essays and documentation that people send in, and then contact the person who qualifies for the scholarship to offer them $3,000 for the semester (or whatever tuition is equivalent to that year). That is easy work and the total amount of actual work they would be doing would be for less than a couple days, and that can easily be done for less than 500 bucks. And that would considered pretty generous considering the actual amount of work they would be doing. I used to do exactly this type of work, and I got paid $10/hr.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal G said: For example, the scholarship fund would be virtually foolproof, since the money is not being directed through the university or through any board of education. You would really only need to pay one person to advertise the scholarship to various school websites or send flyers to drug rehabilitation centers, then read all the essays and documentation that people send in, and then contact the person who qualifies for the scholarship. That is easy work and the total amount of actual work they would be doing would be for less than a couple days, and that can easily be done for less than 500 bucks. And that would considered pretty generous considering the actual amount of work they would be doing. I used to do exactly this type of work, and I got paid $10/hr.
lol. if 10,000 people apply for a scholarship then how will one person read all those essays, applications and check all the documents in just a few days, there's nearly 8000 colleges in the US, one person wont be making all those calls and establishing the chain for applicants in a few weeks
you really dont know what it takes to establish a charity, the paperwork on your end alone could be months of work just getting it established
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: lol. if 10,000 people apply for a scholarship then how will one person read all those essays, applications and check all the documents in just a few days, there's nearly 8000 colleges in the US, one person wont be making all those calls and establishing the chain for applicants in a few weeks
Please read the statements accurately. I said in my original post that they would be offered tuition for MY university. The reason being, it's a state university, and tuition is some of the cheapest in the entire state and country. I doubt I would be able to afford to set up a trust for somebody to attend Cambridge or NYU or whatever. Somehow I have a hard time believing that 10,000 former drug addicts would apply for a scholarship to this one university.
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you really dont know what it takes to establish a charity, the paperwork on your end alone could be months of work just getting it established
This is not what this thread is about. This thread is about charities that people are passionate about. Quit derailing this thread like you always do.
And duhhh, no shit. Paperwork, creating a will, setting up life insurance, whatever it is takes months of work and requires a lawyer. That's pretty much expected. However, this is all work that takes place BEFORE you die. What we were just talking about just now with the application process is what takes place AFTER you die, and I'm saying that the funds to set up this process won't be nearly as expensive as the tuition.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Crystal G]
#19079225 - 11/03/13 08:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Back in the day, prior to the 1970's, it used to be very common for people of prestige and wealth to donate to charity and do philanthropy work. Nowadays I feel like those days are dying and we are seeing this type of activity less and less frequently.
I guess my question is, are there any organizations that any of you are passionate about? Have you ever, or do you ever plan to volunteer or donate money to any of them? If you plan on leaving a will to any sort of charity or organization, who will you be donating to?
In the past, I've volunteered and donated to women's and children's domestic violence shelters, to troubled youth crisis centers, to gay and lesbian centers, and to sober living houses. My favorite work that I did out of all of them was working with at-risk youth. They ended up inviting me to a formal banquet with the LAPD one year, and I got to meet the chief of police, and Mayor Villaraigoisa, and the general consul of Mexico.
When I die, I definitely plan on donating a substantial portion to NPR, the exact percentage would depend on how many living relatives I have left by the time I pass. I would like to donate to two more causes, but my ability to do so will depend on exactly how much I have acquired by the time I pass.
One, is that I would like to set up a fund to give a scholarship to give at least 1 lucky student a chance to attend my university for free. This student would have to have overcome a previous drug addiction to qualify for the scholarship, and will have to write an essay about the ordeal that they have overcome. I would like to write the guidelines so that a person who has struggled with homelessness due to addiction will qualify first for the scholarship, and a person who has endured incarceration due to drug use or drug possession will be the next best candidate.
Two, is that I would like to set up a fund to one particular hospital I used to live by, to set up a charity care program to give some form of financial aid to people who cannot afford to pay for medical care and do not qualify for payment reductions by the hospital, or for government assistance.
And I plan on doing all this in the form of life insurance, so that none of the beneficiaries will have to pay most of it to federal and state estate taxes. Cause SCREW YOU GOVERNMENT!!! 
What about any of you? Do you have any dreams about committing yourself to charitable work, such as joining the Peace Corps?
Should you even be working with "at-risk youth"? It doesn't make sense based on your high risk behavior.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Crystal G]
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as I stated, you have no clue what is involved in setting up a charity and clearly have no clue about how one would be run or what it would cost, your best bet is to go with an established, reputable charity to achieve your ends
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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A certain portion of my consulting practice turns out to be charitable work, though nobody intended it that way in my office. Does that count?
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said: as I stated, you have no clue what is involved in setting up a charity and clearly have no clue about how one would be run or what it would cost, your best bet is to go with an established, reputable charity to achieve your ends
That's what attorneys are for. You really think every single person who started up a charity or a business knew all the legal ins and outs and every single license and permit and building codes and regulations they had to follow, and didn't get advice from at least one or more professionals?
In any case, this is not an official charity in an office or a building, it's a scholarship fund, and people have been setting up their own scholarship funds ranging from $500 and up for years now, and now it's always being done online. You clearly have no clue about the college application process or how one obtains and starts up various scholarships. I have known parents at my high school that set up scholarship funds based on their own criteria, it's not that difficult.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Fewer and fewer people are giving to charity as he goverment allows fewer deductions, tax credits, or exemptions for donations or charitable organizations. For example, The Affordable Care Shit Sandwich provides new methods to fuck over chairtable hospitals and charities that provide health services or money for healthcare.
Progressives get Butthurt and believe people are greedy if their money isn't filtered through the Government first. It's kind of like The Mafia--The Government Runs the Racket--Healthcare--and if you want to play you have to pay protection to them, i.e. taxes and fees.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Crystal G said: Back in the day, prior to the 1970's, it used to be very common for people of prestige and wealth to donate to charity and do philanthropy work. Nowadays I feel like those days are dying and we are seeing this type of activity less and less frequently.
you feel like they're dying... it means you havent looked, Cheney donated $7mil of his $9mil income to charity without making a big ruckus about it, libtards such as bill and melinda gates being some of the wealthiest people on the planet set up a foundation for charitable giving, the catch is that their money wont go into the foundation until after their deaths but you can donate and it'll be promptly distributed before the end of the year
A 2013 Bloomberg report stated that, as of May 16, 2013, Bill Gates had donated US$28 billion to the foundation.
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Re: Do Any Of You Commit Yourselves to Philanthropy Work? [Re: mpd]
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How to be a philanthropist:
1) Create a multibillion dollar souless corporation with only profit in mind 2) Make yourself a billionnaire 3) Set up a charity 4) Give money to save on your taxes 5) Bingo, you are now a philanthropist
Now if you play your cards right, you can actually manage to be a philanthropist without actually giving directly to the poor.
All you have to do is create a chrity that donates to other charities, that way you don't have to deal with the poor directly (they're dirty and they stink ). This will of course multiply the admin cost cause you have to pay your guys to decide which charities to give to and these charities also have admin costs. So technically, you can get the maximum taxes break without actually committing a large percentage of the money to the poor. It's the perfect front to look like a good guy.
Or if you truly want to be a philanthropist, simply buy a plan ticket, go to africa and spend your life savings to change their lives directly.
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Patlal said: Or if you truly want to be a philanthropist, simply buy a plan ticket, go to africa and spend your life savings to change their lives directly.
My aunt and uncle are missionaries. They go to Africa and build churches and dig wells for poor people and make them read the bible.
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