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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
    #19143837 - 11/16/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been thinking about the alpha/sexist thing. Feel pretty certain that Alpha's get away with sexism, it works for them. They know when to avoid inappropriate comments/behaviour, but if they want to they can be as sexy as they like with their sexism.

You make allot of assumptions about me. I don't even know me as well as you think you know me.




Name a few examples that you think that alpha males get away with sexism. Personally, I don't think you have the faintest idea what sexism means.

And the main reason that women don't speak out against feminism (edit: I meant sexism) amongst groups of guys when they see it, is because they are afraid of being labeled "the bitch" or "stuck up and anal and butt-hurt" and outed in the entire crowd.




The word 'sexism' is utterly meaningless. There is no sexism, only natural order. The only pathology inflicting unhappiness on the innocent is left wing academia and their vile filth of feminist lies. The happier woman flows with the natural order.

I don't know much about being an alpha. But I have never once gotten away with being a gentle natured, helpful equal. While all my far less gentle, helpful equal friends always get away with who they are and their women radiate happiness. When find the stones to test my theories, I'll let you know how it goes.


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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19143919 - 11/16/13 02:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Wait, I'm finding examples.

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I can tell you all this is true from experience. When I was a smart-ass little college freshman I would (unwittingly) draw women in with this stuff. I didn’t know better. I thought it was funny. So, apparently, did the girls, judging by my notch count from ages 17-19.

Sample freshman year dorm convo: “So you plan on having kids?” “Yes.” “Wanna practice?” “You’re disgusting!” Maybe so, but she was the one back in my room later on.

And then I got involved in college “issues” and got “educated.” I began to engage women intellectually (gag!) as “equals” instead of making my usual semi-disrespectful comments in the margins.

Anyone wanna guess what happened to the old notch count after that?




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Reminds me of a little story from last year. Friends of my wife, Jewish couple, he’s got a successful accounting business, she’s a surgeon, and pretty hot looking – hour glass figure, all tits and ass, beautiful face, bluest blue eyes – probably an 8. She mentions that she’s taking ballroom dancing lessons as a way to stay fit,and likes it a lot so far.

Hearing this I chime in:
Me: “I think it’s a wonderful thing for a girl to take ballroom dancing lessons!”
Hottie: “Right, it’s good exercise and it gets you out of the house”
Me: “NO. That’s not what I meant at all. Ballroom dancing forces a girl to follow the lead of her male partner. So she learns how to properly follow and bend to a man’s will…” (smirk)
Hottie: “What the hell!” (rabbit punches me in the gut)
Me: (Deadpan) “It’s true”
Hottie: (Walks off indignantly… slightly sashaying her hips)

An hour or more passes, and we’re parting company, but out of earshot of her hubby or my wifey.

Hottie: “Goodbye” (Hugs me, mashes her big titties into my chest)
Me: “See ya soon!”
Hottie: (Hushed voice) “You know, you should really think about taking up ballroom dancing… I’m looking for a new partner (Raises eyebrows suggestively)




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Every time I’m tempted to open a can of emergency rations game, I’m reminded of all the fun and amazing times I had with my girl, and I can’t bring myself to hit on someone new. Then again, leaving was necessary. I was starting to be treated as a beta schlub on a more and more frequent basis. Yelling and screaming when I’d forget to clean up something in the house, yelling and criticism when I wouldn’t buy her what she wanted at the store, or if it was not EXACTLY the brand and make she wanted.

My stop-loss order kicked in and I couldn’t take another second of it. Broke up that evening and let her know it was final and that I would never be contacting her again.




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We’ve grown up in a society today where there is a proper way a guy is supposed to address a female he just met that he hardly knows. Ms. or Mrs. In a formal setting and if you just met a girl in a bar/ casual setting it’s less formal than that, just her first name. But there is a select group of truly alpha males who get to flip the switch around and pet name call women he just met within minutes of meeting them, sometimes before even getting their first names.  When the same scenario is switched and a beta does it or man who doesn’t have experience/ self confidence of talking to thousands of women says the same thing he’s yelled at and called sexist. Here’s an example

You’re walking up to a crowded bar trying to get a drink. There’s a semi attractive girl that already has one but is blocking your way.

The alpha- Walks up confidently with a purpose towards the girl with slight smirk on his face and say,

“Excuse me sweetheart let me get by you and get a drink” (absolutely dead pan and no hint of irony)

She looks him up and down and immediately can tell he’s an alpha male and about that life, she smiles, says; “no problem” slides over and lets him get a drink.

The beta-less experienced man- walks up looks around nervously then decides to walk to the same girl

“Um… I’m sorry baby… can I get by you to get a drink” (not making eye contact, voice wobbling)

She responds, “Baby.. BABY! I don’t know you like that, ima a grown woman! I’m nobody’s baby! What do you think this is 1950, nobody puts baby in the corner.. you fucking jerk!”

In both situations the men referred to the girl with a pet name even though she was a complete stranger. By society’s standards the way both of them referred to her was completely sexist and ill advised. But just like office harassment and street harassment… alpha males get to get away with it. This is something I started playing with about a year ago. Trust me it’s one of the most uncomfortable things in the world to do, refer to a woman with a pet name in such an intimate way. It took practice but the more I did it the more comfortable I felt doing it. It was like breaking some kind of law and not getting caught so I grew bolder to keep committing the crime.

I walk through a crowded bar or dance floor and an attractive girl is in my way, I’d put my hand on her lower back and whisper, “excuse me beautiful and gently keep on moving past her”. I walk up to the bar and it’s a female bartender I start my order off with “Hey darling let me get a…..”.  This moved to me opening women in the same way, “Hey gorgeous is there a place that plays good hip hop around here”.




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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: lunarpiscean]
    #19144967 - 11/16/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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hey. if it's in someone's nature to cheat and be a piece of shit, that just is what it is.


human nature is human nature. if a person decides to be with a cheater, they should know they're being cheated on way before their wedding day.

marriage is a really big commitiment and i think you can get sued for money if theres proof you've cheated :lol: thats why its wrong



I disagree. but thats the beauty of it. We dont have to agree to get along :sun:


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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19152696 - 11/18/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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usulpsychonaut said:
Wait, I'm finding examples.

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I can tell you all this is true from experience. When I was a smart-ass little college freshman I would (unwittingly) draw women in with this stuff. I didn’t know better. I thought it was funny. So, apparently, did the girls, judging by my notch count from ages 17-19.

Sample freshman year dorm convo: “So you plan on having kids?” “Yes.” “Wanna practice?” “You’re disgusting!” Maybe so, but she was the one back in my room later on.

And then I got involved in college “issues” and got “educated.” I began to engage women intellectually (gag!) as “equals” instead of making my usual semi-disrespectful comments in the margins.

Anyone wanna guess what happened to the old notch count after that?




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Reminds me of a little story from last year. Friends of my wife, Jewish couple, he’s got a successful accounting business, she’s a surgeon, and pretty hot looking – hour glass figure, all tits and ass, beautiful face, bluest blue eyes – probably an 8. She mentions that she’s taking ballroom dancing lessons as a way to stay fit,and likes it a lot so far.

Hearing this I chime in:
Me: “I think it’s a wonderful thing for a girl to take ballroom dancing lessons!”
Hottie: “Right, it’s good exercise and it gets you out of the house”
Me: “NO. That’s not what I meant at all. Ballroom dancing forces a girl to follow the lead of her male partner. So she learns how to properly follow and bend to a man’s will…” (smirk)
Hottie: “What the hell!” (rabbit punches me in the gut)
Me: (Deadpan) “It’s true”
Hottie: (Walks off indignantly… slightly sashaying her hips)

An hour or more passes, and we’re parting company, but out of earshot of her hubby or my wifey.

Hottie: “Goodbye” (Hugs me, mashes her big titties into my chest)
Me: “See ya soon!”
Hottie: (Hushed voice) “You know, you should really think about taking up ballroom dancing… I’m looking for a new partner (Raises eyebrows suggestively)




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Every time I’m tempted to open a can of emergency rations game, I’m reminded of all the fun and amazing times I had with my girl, and I can’t bring myself to hit on someone new. Then again, leaving was necessary. I was starting to be treated as a beta schlub on a more and more frequent basis. Yelling and screaming when I’d forget to clean up something in the house, yelling and criticism when I wouldn’t buy her what she wanted at the store, or if it was not EXACTLY the brand and make she wanted.

My stop-loss order kicked in and I couldn’t take another second of it. Broke up that evening and let her know it was final and that I would never be contacting her again.




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We’ve grown up in a society today where there is a proper way a guy is supposed to address a female he just met that he hardly knows. Ms. or Mrs. In a formal setting and if you just met a girl in a bar/ casual setting it’s less formal than that, just her first name. But there is a select group of truly alpha males who get to flip the switch around and pet name call women he just met within minutes of meeting them, sometimes before even getting their first names.  When the same scenario is switched and a beta does it or man who doesn’t have experience/ self confidence of talking to thousands of women says the same thing he’s yelled at and called sexist. Here’s an example

You’re walking up to a crowded bar trying to get a drink. There’s a semi attractive girl that already has one but is blocking your way.

The alpha- Walks up confidently with a purpose towards the girl with slight smirk on his face and say,

“Excuse me sweetheart let me get by you and get a drink” (absolutely dead pan and no hint of irony)

She looks him up and down and immediately can tell he’s an alpha male and about that life, she smiles, says; “no problem” slides over and lets him get a drink.

The beta-less experienced man- walks up looks around nervously then decides to walk to the same girl

“Um… I’m sorry baby… can I get by you to get a drink” (not making eye contact, voice wobbling)

She responds, “Baby.. BABY! I don’t know you like that, ima a grown woman! I’m nobody’s baby! What do you think this is 1950, nobody puts baby in the corner.. you fucking jerk!”

In both situations the men referred to the girl with a pet name even though she was a complete stranger. By society’s standards the way both of them referred to her was completely sexist and ill advised. But just like office harassment and street harassment… alpha males get to get away with it. This is something I started playing with about a year ago. Trust me it’s one of the most uncomfortable things in the world to do, refer to a woman with a pet name in such an intimate way. It took practice but the more I did it the more comfortable I felt doing it. It was like breaking some kind of law and not getting caught so I grew bolder to keep committing the crime.

I walk through a crowded bar or dance floor and an attractive girl is in my way, I’d put my hand on her lower back and whisper, “excuse me beautiful and gently keep on moving past her”. I walk up to the bar and it’s a female bartender I start my order off with “Hey darling let me get a…..”.  This moved to me opening women in the same way, “Hey gorgeous is there a place that plays good hip hop around here”.







You got those anecdotes from a blog that is titled "Happy Sexist is Happy" for Christsake's. :facepalm:

I'm sorry, but you are wrong in saying that WOMEN AS A WHOLE are drawn to the same thing. Some women might like being put down, especially if they are accustomed to living a life of abuse. Some women like to be put on a pedestal and are very high-maintenance. All women are different and have their own unique tastes and preferences, so to say the same method works on every single woman as an entire gender is simply INACCURATE.

Men too have different tastes. Some men like the flamboyant, wild-child, dirty girl who's overtly sexual and aggressive personality-wise, while others prefer the homebody, shy, and innocent type who's more reserved. Just like women, some men are drawn to alpha women, while other men are drawn to beta women. Do you think the alpha woman is going to like the same type of man as a beta woman? Nope, she's not.

You remind me of one of those "pick-up artists" who claim to have THE SECRET that will lure every woman into a man's bedroom without fail. When in reality, their "big secret" is going up to girl after girl after girl, until they eventually get lucky and one eventually says. There is no fool-proof secret. That's what young boys like you with no experience need to know.

If all women were only drawn to alpha guys then we would only see alpha guys in relationships or getting married. But this is really not the case.


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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
    #19153907 - 11/18/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I could not speak from experience so I searched for relevant information :shrug: Women have always married betta men. The traditional marriage is organized so that beta men would be married and would stay married. Now that marriage is a sham, betta men don't get to stay married. Their strategies of being nice and good cause great dissatisfaction to women, which now a days is legal justification for divorce. Women marry betas these days because alphas don't want to be married.

Freely admitting, I know fuck all about any of this. So far I ain't found the stones to address any woman as sweaty, love or darling. It hardly matters if I'm over generalizing. My intent is not to inform anyone other than myself and you have got me thinking. Perhaps I should submit and stop using this word sexist.

My problem with word definitions. Their meanings change in my mind and I go about creating straw man arguments. But I'm certain the feminist camp frequently bends the definition of sexism too. I know that I'm a delta male and that this is unacceptable to me and all attractive women. It feels like I'm so far down the scale of sexism that its some kind of pathology - the reverse of sexism. Its limiting. Can you stop leering down at me long enough to hear that?


Edited by usulpsychonaut (11/18/13 12:37 PM)


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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19155310 - 11/18/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I could not speak from experience so I searched for relevant information :shrug: Women have always married betta men. The traditional marriage is organized so that beta men would be married and would stay married. Now that marriage is a sham, betta men don't get to stay married. Their strategies of being nice and good cause great dissatisfaction to women, which now a days is legal justification for divorce. Women marry betas these days because alphas don't want to be married.




And under what conditions are you defining "alpha" and "beta?" Because there are different labeling methods when you use the terms alpha and beta. When YOU say alpha, do you mean PHYSICALLY alpha, as in strong and tough, military or police officer or bodybuilder types? Or when you say alpha, do you mean SOCIALLY alpha, as in alphas that have high social status in society, such as CEO's or politicians or celebrities? Because marriage is pretty common among both types of alphas.

I know the type of guy you are talking about that, those guys that are 45 and have never been married and are still constantly chasing 19 year old girls. To be honest, I don't even bother with those type of guys. I get approached by those guys all the time on POF. For some reason, they strike me as very slimy, untrustworthy, flaky, and insecure. I don't see them alphas. I see them as pathetic, kind of like the one guy that looks way too old to be hanging around in a nightclub. :lol:

And no, historically speaking, due to the caste system that was prevalent in society, men and women have always married within their social class. Marriages were often arranged from early adolescence, and peasants married peasants, while royals married royals.

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Freely admitting, I know fuck all about any of this. So far I ain't found the stones to address any woman as sweaty, love or darling.




I've never met a woman that gets offended if you call them love or darling. As a matter of fact, it's an endearing term that is commonly used in England. I've been called love and darling by both men and women, and I consider it a term of endearment.

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My problem with word definitions. Their meanings change in my mind and I go about creating straw man arguments. But I'm certain the feminist camp frequently bends the definition of sexism too. I know that I'm a delta male and that this is unacceptable to me and all attractive women. It feels like I'm so far down the scale of sexism that its some kind of pathology - the reverse of sexism. Its limiting. Can you stop leering down at me long enough to hear that?




So you consider yourself inadequate. In what way do you consider yourself a delta male? What traits do you exhibit, either internally or externally that make you a delta male?

Are you unattractive, overweight, introverted, autistic, opposite of charming, unemployed, disabled, broke, nerdy, weak, have bad hygiene, poor fashion taste, and what else? I bet you anything if you took care of your appearance a little bit, and learned how to converse in a charming way with strangers, you would find women that found you appealing.


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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
    #19157923 - 11/19/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've never met a woman that gets offended if you call them love or darling. As a matter of fact, it's an endearing term that is commonly used in England. I've been called love and darling by both men and women, and I consider it a term of endearment.




Thanks for the validation. Perhaps conscience was the limitation. If it is not the case that somewhere someone would call out terms of endearment as sexism, it would seem that being raised in feminized setting such as church (no hitting, cussing, smoking, music, adventure or manly role modals) causes much naivety. Life feels like endless naivety.

The correct definition for Sexism describes real oppression. Where do gooders have called out normal flirtatious relations as sexist, where no oppression exists, then the definitions have been blurred and some might be understand for intuiting they need to become sexist.

Personally, wider definitions, or varied definitions seem preferable. Narrow language limits expression. The word Sexism seems appropriate as applied to any contemplation of gender. This also applies to Racist. How can tight, emotionally charged definitions be anything but rigid limitation to communication?


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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #19158039 - 11/19/13 02:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks for the validation. Perhaps conscience was the limitation. If it is not the case that somewhere someone would call out terms of endearment as sexism, it would seem that being raised in feminized setting such as church (no hitting, cussing, smoking, music, adventure or manly role modals) causes much naivety. Life feels like endless naivety.




I feel like you are misusing the word naivety, or don't understand what the definition means.

With all due respect, restricting a boy from hitting, cussing, and smoking is not feminization. It is trying to turn boys into refined gentlemen of high social class. Ever notice that blue-collar guys are usually the ones that cuss in every sentence, chain-smoke, and get drunk and rowdy and get into fist-fights? High-class, white-collar guys do not brawl or riot or cuss people out in public. Do you want your sons growing up acting like Jersey Shore boys? Most people don't. That's why they teach them these things.

I can tell you never went to cotillion. It's okay, I never did either. But you ever notice that blue-collar guys even have different table manners from white-collar guys? And that blue-collar guys do things like spit on the sidewalk while white-collar guys don't? Frankly, there are certain restaurants that I can't bring some of my friends to, because they lack the table manners that are required for some dining experiences.

Again, what you are describing is not feminization. It's a class issue.

Smoking is something that statistically, the working class do. If you go to the ghetto in Long Beach, you will see maybe 1 out of every 10 people smoking cigarettes. Then when you go to the gated community of Newport Beach where all you will see are million dollar mansions, you will almost never ever see a smoker. Same with tattoos. Lower class people get them, upper class people don't. Thats why almost everybody in prison is a smoker with tattoos. If you go to the methadone clinic, everybody crowding around outside will be tattooed and smoking.

White-collar guys smoke cigars. I will even relay to you one experience I had in a cigar shop. I was shopping for cigars as a gift for my father. I saw 4 guys in the lounge smoking cigars, so I lit up a cigarette while browsing the aisles. The cigar lady came up to me and actually said, "I'm sorry, but you are going to have to put that out." I asked, why? She said, no fucking shit, "Cigarettes are actually considered something that lower class people do... we mostly cater to high-profile clientele, and they would be offended if a cigarette smoker were in here, because it's considered something only low-class people do."

I couldn't believe it! Of course, I was tattooed, and not wearing any brand-name clothing, so I'm sure that added to the prejudice. I had plenty of money to spend, I simply don't show it off like other people do. Suffice to say, I walked out of that store and didn't purchase a thing.

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Personally, wider definitions, or varied definitions seem preferable. Narrow language limits expression. The word Sexism seems appropriate as applied to any contemplation of gender. This also applies to Racist. How can tight, emotionally charged definitions be anything but rigid limitation to communication?




Sexism and racism can apply to many situations and they can be subliminal or they can be obvious. Things have progressed and gotten better, but to say it doesn't exist, is naive and means you are living in a bubble.


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