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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
#19101665 - 11/07/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yet he was stupid enough to join in the first place.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
#19103489 - 11/07/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: In reality women love sexist men. The more sexist the man the more he is adored by women.
Um. No. Ascribing to a gender role is not synonymous to the word sexist. As I said earlier, there are feminists who are feminine and choose to be housewives or stay-at-home moms. A man choosing a particular identity is not the same thing as a man who chooses to oppress an entire sex. There is nothing inherently oppressive about a "man's man" who likes to work on cars and drink beer. A man does not have to exhibit any "girly" characteristics in demeanor or behavior to be considerate for equal treatment of women.
I really have no idea what is so sexist about William Shatner, although I don't know anything about the guy. Maybe you should explain what's so sexist about him. Interestingly enough, doing a quick search, I found this article about him: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2276882/William-Shatner-slams-Reddit-allowing-racism-homophobia-sexism.html
A program called Boston Legal. I only ever saw the show because of women I was living with. Now I'm thinking of downloading it so that I can learn sexism from the master.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19103651 - 11/08/13 12:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A program called Boston Legal. I only ever saw the show because of women I was living with. Now I'm thinking of downloading it so that I can learn sexism from the master.
I don't understand how it's sexist. But what's your point? People play racist and sexist roles all the time in acting without actually being those things themselves. Why wouldn't they? Racism and sexism exist in the real world, and it would be accurate to portray it when it's necessary. I really don't understand what point you are trying to make right now and how William Shatner is indicative of sexism.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Anonymous #1]
#19110036 - 11/09/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
#19110942 - 11/09/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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More classist hate. I describe -poorly- some traditionalist view points in one paragraph, you felt obliged to insult all stay home mothers as unhappy and common, even though some of them are your friends. Then you profile me as an ignorant, uneducated bigot that can only cause harm. William Shatner probably got paid millions of dollars fully exploring the full extent of a man's potential to be sexist and he gets a pass. 5 seasons of tv episodes reveling in sexism for the entertainment of women is cool so long as the man is rich and powerful. But if a man is broke and powerless he better kiss feminist ass or at least keep his mouth shut.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19114675 - 11/10/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: More classist hate. I describe -poorly- some traditionalist view points in one paragraph, you felt obliged to insult all stay home mothers as unhappy and common, even though some of them are your friends. Then you profile me as an ignorant, uneducated bigot that can only cause harm. William Shatner probably got paid millions of dollars fully exploring the full extent of a man's potential to be sexist and he gets a pass. 5 seasons of tv episodes reveling in sexism for the entertainment of women is cool so long as the man is rich and powerful. But if a man is broke and powerless he better kiss feminist ass or at least keep his mouth shut.
Holy crap dude, I can't enough at every post you have made in this thread.
Do you know what "acting" means? It's when somebody gets paid to fit into a certain character and play out a story. Just because somebody accepts a job to be a bigot on a television series does not say ANYTHING about their character outside of that show. I don't know the show, but a lot of times a the writers will put in a racist character to act as a foil to another character or to make a statement about some of the flaws of society through that character's portrayal.
You're only digger yourself deeper. You haven't made a single logical, defensible comment yet.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19116962 - 11/10/13 07:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Women don't want what they think they do.
I'm simply pointing to the popularity of Boston Legal. The feminist women I knew were really turned on by it, much like some rather popular books called 50 Shades Of Grey. One feminist I knew brought the movie Irreversible around to re-watch with me because the rape scene turned her on so much.
After I'd been making her cum for a few weeks I let her manipulate me into being a stay home dad for her convenience. All those dishes I did and the cooking and baby sitting basically disgusted her, even though she had thought that was what she wanted from me. So she booted me out of her life.
If I'd focused on what was good for me, not her, and honed an masculine dominance persona, not an ass kissing nice man persona, perhaps I'd still be making her cum... She did not want to stop loving me, I did not want us to separate. Swallowing uptight lefty do-gooder dross is not going to help me make these inner changes that I need to make.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117427 - 11/10/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Let me get this straight. You are basing your entire view on all women based of an experience that you had with a single person who broke up with you and you believe unequivocally that you are correct. Makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19117672 - 11/10/13 10:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I did not say that my entire view of all women is based on this one experience, don't know where you got that idea from. I've never claimed that I believe unequivocally that I am correct.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117693 - 11/10/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: I'm simply pointing to the popularity of Boston Legal. The feminist women I knew were really turned on by it, much like some rather popular books called 50 Shades Of Grey. One feminist I knew brought the movie Irreversible around to re-watch with me because the rape scene turned her on so much.
Actually there was a lot of feminist criticism about the book 50 Shades of Grey. Namely, about the materialism and the sexual violence in the book that was supposed to be portrayed as "hot" and appealing to people in society.
As for the rape scene, watching rape scenes has actually been reported to be therapeutic among actual rape victims. Watching these scenes helps them to recognize and process exactly what has happened to them. Am I going to go blame somebody who enjoys watching this kind of stuff? No, because I recognize that they may very well have been a victim of sexual trauma, either as a child or as an adult.
In any case, what one likes sexually has nothing to do with whether they believe women should be given equal opportunity in society. Equal opportunity means right to vote, right to work, right to choose, etc. not right to a certain type of sex. 
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After I'd been making her cum for a few weeks I let her manipulate me into being a stay home dad for her convenience. All those dishes I did and the cooking and baby sitting basically disgusted her, even though she had thought that was what she wanted from me. So she booted me out of her life.
She was probably disgusted by you because it was clear that you were using her, and didn't have any genuine intentions for taking care of her.
Edit: Or, did it ever occur to you, that she didn't want you because your personality or your image or you yourself is a bore, and not what she's looking for? It's very common for people who are narcissistic to be in denial about their own shortcomings and in denial about rejection. Yes, blame all women, 50% of the population is what's wrong, clearly it couldn't possibly be you.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
#19117814 - 11/10/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Actually there was a lot of feminist criticism about the book 50 Shades of Grey.
Yes this is interesting isn't it. There is no male patriarchy forcing feminists to read this stuff. My own female feminist friends love these books. Women love these books. The feminist commentators are completely out of touch with women. Criticising these books is simply not intelligent or productive.
It does not seem too far fetched to me to at least talk consider the implications of what a woman wants and what she is drawn to in art. If reality is so black and white, so right and left, then why don't women get into stories about nice men who are just helpful and always kiss ass? If some 60% of divorces are initiated by women out of shear dissatisfaction, and most of the husbands were nice men who were just helpful and always kissing ass (they are, because that is how society shapes them) and these women are captivated by fantasies of submission and sexism, it seems reasonable to consider that perhaps women would just be allot happier if men stood up for themselves.
Writing is pure entertainment. My intention is to simply not be emotionally involved in any of this, other than to celebrate my own irrationality.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117843 - 11/10/13 10:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: Yes this is interesting isn't it. There is no male patriarchy forcing feminists to read this stuff. My own female feminist friends love these books. Women love these books. The feminist commentators are completely out of touch with women. Criticising these books is simply not intelligent or productive.
Do you even know what the definition of critiquing is, in academic terms? Critiquing is done often to reveal underlying political, sociological, and widespread societal problems.
Saying that people shouldn't criticize them because it is popular is like saying that people shouldn't criticize people's abundance on thoughtless and offensive TV shows simply because they are popular.
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It does not seem too far fetched to me to at least talk consider the implications of what a woman wants and what she is drawn to in art. If reality is so black and white, so right and left, then why don't women get into stories about nice men who are just helpful and always kiss ass?
That's because stories about nice men are for fairy tales, they are for Disney movies, and often do not depict reality. Art is intended to portray all aspects of life, including the ugly and the violent and the tragic. It does not always have to appeal to the happy. Your misunderstanding of art also appears to be very shallow.
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If some 60% of divorces are initiated by women out of shear dissatisfaction, and most of the husbands were nice men who were just helpful and always kissing ass
What makes you think that these husbands were nice men? They more likely divorced because of cheating or abuse or constant fighting. If you look at the statistical numbers of domestic abuse or infidelity, does it seem like those 60% of couples divorce because of each other's "niceness?"
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(they are, because that is how society shapes them)
Apparently you believe TV shows about how men and women are depicted. You are the first person I have ever "met" who fails to distinguish the difference between reality and fiction. TV shows depict men as kissing ass, doofus, dummies who are inept at common sense and taking care of their kids, because it is FUNNY. It is supposed to be a COMEDY. Men are not REALLY like Homer Simpson and not all women are like Marge.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
#19117847 - 11/10/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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She was probably disgusted by you because it was clear that you were using her, and didn't have any genuine intentions for taking care of her.
Edit: Or, did it ever occur to you, that she didn't want you because your personality or your image or you yourself is a bore, and not what she's looking for? It's very common for people who are narcissistic to be in denial about their own shortcomings and in denial about rejection. Yes, blame all women, 50% of the population is what's wrong, clearly it couldn't possibly be you
I clearly stated that it was entirely my own fault. I simply was not sexist enough. I took care of her in the way that she clearly indicated that she wanted me to. Had I been raised to be sexist I would have known how she really needed to be taken care of. I have not blamed women for anything at all in this thread. I have the best interests of woman at heart.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117854 - 11/10/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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She was probably disgusted by you because it was clear that you were using her, and didn't have any genuine intentions for taking care of her.
Edit: Or, did it ever occur to you, that she didn't want you because your personality or your image or you yourself is a bore, and not what she's looking for? It's very common for people who are narcissistic to be in denial about their own shortcomings and in denial about rejection. Yes, blame all women, 50% of the population is what's wrong, clearly it couldn't possibly be you
I clearly stated that it was entirely my own fault. I simply was not sexist enough. I took care of her in the way that she clearly indicated that she wanted me to. Had I been raised to be sexist I would have known how she really needed to be taken care of. I have not blamed women for anything at all in this thread. I have the best interests of woman at heart.
Are you being intentionally obtuse, because it really seems like it. You have not addressed a single argument that has been brought against you, many of which have been made BY a woman who is disagreeing with you.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117883 - 11/10/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do you even know what the definition of critiquing is, in academic terms? Critiquing is done often to reveal underlying political, sociological, and widespread societal problems.
Saying that people shouldn't criticize them because it is popular is like saying that people shouldn't criticize people's abundance on thoughtless and offensive TV shows simply because they are popular.
That's because stories about nice men are for fairy tales, they are for Disney movies, and often do not depict reality. Art is intended to portray all aspects of life, including the ugly and the violent and the tragic It does not always have to appeal to the happy. Your misunderstanding of art also appears to be very shallow.
I was thinking of uptight eggheads wringing their hands and screaming "it is so wrong! it is all wrong"! This is not intelligent. When art is brought to relevance by philosophising and mythologising, this is intelligent. Being affected by art is my religion. I'm surrounded by so much art and I'm entranced by some piece of art most of the time. My posts on this forum art works of art.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19117893 - 11/10/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: Are you being intentionally obtuse, because it really seems like it. You have not addressed a single argument that has been brought against you, many of which have been made BY a woman who is disagreeing with you.
Apparently this is a guy that does not distinguish between fact and fiction, and alpha and sexist.
I am drawn to alphas, and this guy would most likely use his standard of thinking to prove, "See! Women like sexist guys!"
But he fails to consider that the reason that I like alphas, is because I MYSELF AM ALSO AN ALPHA. I also prefer women who are alphas. I am drawn to men and women who are strong physically and mentally, people who refuse to be easily bullied by others, people who exude good looks and charm and a daring quality to them. Nowhere in my definition of alpha would I be drawn to men who are sexist.
Actually any time I have ever noticed even an inkling of sexism on a date, I have broken it off with the guy. Because to me, sexism is usually a big red flag that they are insecure and very controlling, and it would be indicative of marital problems in the future. I don't want to spend my years fighting for my freedom and the right to do what I want to do.
Maybe usul should consider marrying a traditional Muslim woman to fit his views.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117908 - 11/10/13 11:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you being intentionally obtuse, because it really seems like it. You have not addressed a single argument that has been brought against you, many of which have been made BY a woman who is disagreeing with you.
Are you saying that if a woman disagrees with me I should kiss her ass? I've addressed plenty of arguments. There are a few too many to keep up with.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19117920 - 11/10/13 11:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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usulpsychonaut said: I was thinking of uptight eggheads wringing their hands and screaming "it is so wrong! it is all wrong"! This is not intelligent. When art is brought to relevance by philosophising and mythologising, this is intelligent. Being affected by art is my religion. I'm surrounded by so much art and I'm entranced by some piece of art most of the time. My posts on this forum art works of art.
I am convinced now you have never attended an academic conference or read an academic journal. As a matter of fact, you probably got your view of "these eggheads" from some movie that was supposed to be a comedy. Your rendition of academia reminds me of those mad mom groups on South Park. Is that where you get your information from? 
When "these eggheads" have critiqued 50 Shades of Grey, they discuss topics such as intersectionality, multicultural inclusion, hegemonic masculinity, gender performativity, and identity politics.
Here is a sample of one research paper I have found critiquing 50 Shades of Grey. I'm sure you won't be able to understand it. http://www.academia.edu/attachments/30233410/download_file
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: Crystal G]
#19120453 - 11/11/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pwnasaurus said: Are you being intentionally obtuse, because it really seems like it. You have not addressed a single argument that has been brought against you, many of which have been made BY a woman who is disagreeing with you.
Apparently this is a guy that does not distinguish between fact and fiction, and alpha and sexist.
I am drawn to alphas, and this guy would most likely use his standard of thinking to prove, "See! Women like sexist guys!"
But he fails to consider that the reason that I like alphas, is because I MYSELF AM ALSO AN ALPHA. I also prefer women who are alphas. I am drawn to men and women who are strong physically and mentally, people who refuse to be easily bullied by others, people who exude good looks and charm and a daring quality to them. Nowhere in my definition of alpha would I be drawn to men who are sexist.
Actually any time I have ever noticed even an inkling of sexism on a date, I have broken it off with the guy. Because to me, sexism is usually a big red flag that they are insecure and very controlling, and it would be indicative of marital problems in the future. I don't want to spend my years fighting for my freedom and the right to do what I want to do.
Maybe usul should consider marrying a traditional Muslim woman to fit his views.
I want artistic, fun, uncomplicated women. Which came first, sexist or alpha? Does it require higher education to make basic observations about reality? Why is it sexist to make a truthful statement that states the obvious? This simple article about covers it. http://takimag.com/article/this_country_was_not_built_by_beta_males_gavin_mcinnes#axzz2kMjsvNDQ Fact, the majority of women would be happier if they focused on fulfilling their natural purpose for being alive. I did not choose the word sexist, it was hurled at me, I'm just owning it. The failure to distinguish between alpha and sexist is not mine. I don't really have a sexist bone in my body.
Elitist intellectuals impose their strange superstitions on what they see as the lesser humans, clearly you state that I am a lower creature, cause I've never read an academic paper. This secular religion is just as annoying as traditional Islam.
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Re: Just Found out my friends cheat on their girlfriends and wives [Re: usulpsychonaut]
#19120481 - 11/11/13 12:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you being intentionally obtuse, because it really seems like it. You have not addressed a single argument that has been brought against you, many of which have been made BY a woman who is disagreeing with you.
Are you saying that if a woman disagrees with me I should kiss her ass? I've addressed plenty of arguments.
....no. I am saying that if you make an absurd statement that gets refuted, you should defend your position logically. Making non sequitur remarks is not "addressing the argument". It is a logical fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)
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