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solo11
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How can I utilize these nice bags?
#19075850 - 11/02/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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People keep recommending bags, the first bag I bought was over a hundred dollars including shipping, came with a free syringe lol. and didn't do anything, today I decide to look around. I stumble on these http://www.amazon.com/Manure-Based-Mushroom-Substrate-Grow/dp/B003N07MYG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383429515&sr=8-1&keywords=manure+myco+bags
I have syringes coming, so I thought, perfect price, hell yea il experiment with a couple of these, but stupidly didn't read the description, and amazon has informed me they've already shipped, basically manure bags you cant start from syringe. damn. Thought I could inoc and have a new substrate to work with.
However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up? I picked this over the brf bags because ive been wanting to try a more nutritious sub. theres gotta be something I can do, I don't have grains or PC. hope someone can help. thanks
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
#19075996 - 11/02/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10981397
Nice write up on using PF Tek as spawn to bulk substrate. Your issue will be getting your spawn into the bag, as the bag is meant to be injected. You can't really get the shredded spawn in there without exposing it to contams... may want to just open the bag and use in a tray similar to the examples shown in the tek I posted there.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: urthtown]
#19076005 - 11/02/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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This is why you don't buy stuff on a whim and you do research before you purchase stuff.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19076045 - 11/02/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok, that's a good idea, probably try that, so I still wonder since I will have spore syringes at the same time it is ok to just inoculate with spore syringe than? Might just try on one of them to see what happens. Not a big loss. The description made it sound like you were supposed to use grain spawn instead, wich would entail opening it anyway. So either it's the same thing just with brf, or I actually can shoot it up?
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
#19076100 - 11/02/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No. You can't. You can use grain spawn, and spawn in a SAB.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19076112 - 11/02/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: spawn in a SAB.
Who does this?
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: PussyFart]
#19076176 - 11/02/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: spawn in a SAB.
Who does this?
maybe its your hoot this time as he is talking about spawning to a sterile sub
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: cronicr]
#19076484 - 11/02/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: PussyFart]
#19076595 - 11/02/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
#19076762 - 11/02/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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solo11 said:
However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?
If you have cakes, quickly birth one directly into each spawn bag, close it, and break it up with your fingers from outside of the bag. Simple as that.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
#19076796 - 11/02/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joiningheads said:
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solo11 said:
However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?
If you have cakes, quickly birth one directly into each spawn bag, close it, and break it up with your fingers from outside of the bag. Simple as that. 
Manure is substrate not spawn. The manure is pasteurized so the speed at which it's put into the SUBSTRATE bag won't matter since it's not something that needs to be sterile anyway.
Even if it were to be a SPAWN bag what you suggested would still be pure fail because you would get contamination into sterile media doing that.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19076987 - 11/02/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Manure is substrate not spawn. The manure is pasteurized so the speed at which it's put into the SUBSTRATE bag won't matter since it's not something that needs to be sterile anyway.
Even if it were to be a SPAWN bag what you suggested would still be pure fail because you would get contamination into sterile media doing that.
Its not "pure fail" I've done this several times into sterilized spawn bags. His manure is sterilized in this case if you would have read the ops post. Generally you want a filter over the lid but its not necessary for success. bodhisatta next time read the post completely and not try to act like a know-it-all, or you'll just set yourself up for another "pure fail".
Oh, and its usually called a "spawn bag" no matter what's in it. Sub or spawn.
Edited by joiningheads (11/02/13 09:06 PM)
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
#19077033 - 11/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joiningheads said:
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solo11 said:
However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?
If you have cakes, quickly birth one directly into each spawn bag, close it, and break it up with your fingers from outside of the bag. Simple as that. 
This sounds like a good idea, by far the easiest, makes since thanks for the suggestion, might work out after all! Maybe I can figure it out when I see the bag but is there an easy way to seal it back up?
Edited by solo11 (11/02/13 08:49 PM)
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
#19077048 - 11/02/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just turn the jar upside down and try to empty as much of the dry verm layer off before spawning it so as to avoid contamination.
You don't need to "seal" it, just twist it really tight and tie it with a few wires or zip-ties.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
#19079653 - 11/03/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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good luck...
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19079669 - 11/03/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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without a proper filter i wouldnt use cakes
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: cronicr]
#19079926 - 11/03/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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cronicr said: without a proper filter i wouldnt use cakes
In an ideal world, you're correct. However, have you ever tried this? I have done this many, many times into sterilized substrate with a 100% success rate (I didn't expect it to be that successful). Like I said in an earlier post, ideally you want a filter disk (and no dry verm layer) but I always just emptied the dry layer off before putting it in the bag. Just trying to relate through experience is all.
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
#19079938 - 11/03/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have tried with taped holez and had some success but way better success with a true filter
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
#19080009 - 11/03/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joiningheads said:
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Manure is substrate not spawn. The manure is pasteurized so the speed at which it's put into the SUBSTRATE bag won't matter since it's not something that needs to be sterile anyway.
Even if it were to be a SPAWN bag what you suggested would still be pure fail because you would get contamination into sterile media doing that.
Its not "pure fail" I've done this several times into sterilized spawn bags. His manure is sterilized in this case if you would have read the ops post. Generally you want a filter over the lid but its not necessary for success. bodhisatta next time read the post completely and not try to act like a know-it-all, or you'll just set yourself up for another "pure fail".
Oh, and its usually called a "spawn bag" no matter what's in it. Sub or spawn.
I'm glad you had good luck. I had luck doing G2G in open air the first time I grew and I bragged about it. Does that mean it's not fucking stupid to do? I used to go around saying well it worked for me when I did something stupid as a noob cultivator any telling other noobs it would work. Just because it worked for you once doesn't mean we have seen it fail more often than not. This just shows your ignorance. You should really read more before giving advice.
out grow still references their poo bags as substrate not spawn They even say you need to use spawn to inoculate them. Besides that they do sterilize their substrates which is a horrible idea it should be pasteurized otherwise your chance of contams goes up even more especially using birthed PF cakes to as spawn to sterile media.
Either way you're setting the OP up for failure. While the rest of us would like to see him have better success chances as to not give up after his first grow gets ruined by shitty information.
Either way OP do as you wish. I trust you'll be able to identify the people who know wtf they're doing or not. Or try it for yourself. I know I had to make my own mistakes. I only hope you don't cultivate contamination on your first try with these overpriced garbage bags. Buy the bags and fill them yourself. It's not as bad or hard as it sounds. I wanted to cut corners when I started out too. You'll quickly learn that's a bad idea.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (11/03/13 12:58 PM)
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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
#19080040 - 11/03/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If all you got is syringes get some rtv silicone and make some homage injection ports on those. Easy as pie. Go for a nickel sized blob of silicone. Spread it around to ensure a good adhesion on the plastic bag. Shoot 5cc of spore slurry thru it. Then dab a bit more silicone right over the injection spot. Not hard and assuming ur syringe is clean ur gtg. If you spawn sterilized poo with pf cakes you are likely to grow green.
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