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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19021273 - 10/23/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

That really only serves my point. Some people throw up till they're dying. If
we were 50 years back you might be judging their behavior as weak etc but its now a recognized compulsion and mental disorder on the level of drug addiction.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19021388 - 10/23/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
That really only serves my point. Some people throw up till they're dying. If
we were 50 years back you might be judging their behavior as weak etc but its now a recognized compulsion and mental disorder on the level of drug addiction.




What does that have to do with your point?  They are being judged to be mentally ill instead of just weak.  And drug addicts are not mentally ill.  They are just weak.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19021422 - 10/23/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
That really only serves my point. Some people throw up till they're dying. If
we were 50 years back you might be judging their behavior as weak etc but its now a recognized compulsion and mental disorder on the level of drug addiction.




What does that have to do with your point?  They are being judged to be mentally ill instead of just weak.  And drug addicts are not mentally ill.  They are just weak.




yeah most disorders I dont have are weakness, like drug addiction, bi polar, depression, manic disorder, codependence... :curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19021500 - 10/23/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Might have been easy for your upper class ass to switch to private schooling or move school districts on the dime, but most people kind of have to deal with it.






Why would anyone want to switch to private schooling?  After all, the Public School System, administered by local government beaurocrats, staffed with indoctrinated union teachers, are Icons of High-Level Education and Innovation, under the guidance of the Federal Department of Education. :smirk:


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19021523 - 10/23/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
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Yogi1 said:
That really only serves my point. Some people throw up till they're dying. If
we were 50 years back you might be judging their behavior as weak etc but its now a recognized compulsion and mental disorder on the level of drug addiction.




What does that have to do with your point?  They are being judged to be mentally ill instead of just weak.  And drug addicts are not mentally ill.  They are just weak.




yeah most disorders I dont have are weakness, like drug addiction, bi polar, depression, manic disorder, codependence... :curbyourenthusiasm:




I only mentioned one of those.  Stop with the straw men.  Although I would throw in co-dependence as a nonsense illness as well.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19021546 - 10/23/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Yogi1 said:
That really only serves my point. Some people throw up till they're dying. If
we were 50 years back you might be judging their behavior as weak etc but its now a recognized compulsion and mental disorder on the level of drug addiction.




What does that have to do with your point?  They are being judged to be mentally ill instead of just weak.  And drug addicts are not mentally ill.  They are just weak.




yeah most disorders I dont have are weakness, like drug addiction, bi polar, depression, manic disorder, codependence... :curbyourenthusiasm:




I only mentioned one of those.  Stop with the straw men.  Although I would throw in co-dependence as a nonsense illness as well.




You can call straw man if you want but it is exactly your argument...


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19021617 - 10/23/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bi polar, depression, manic disorder




I do not include those in my list of psychobabble bullshit


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19021645 - 10/23/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bi polar, depression, manic disorder




I do not include those in my list of psychobabble bullshit





I'm thinking you should probably include Butthurt Disorder in the list.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19021662 - 10/23/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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bi polar, depression, manic disorder




I do not include those in my list of psychobabble bullshit



some (most) mental disorders are bullshit. However there are cases where they are. For instance in (rare) cases of depression there are actually measurable deficiencies of certain neurotransmitters


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: psyconaught]
    #19021686 - 10/23/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I can't believe any of you. In your own favorite go to, post evidence from a credible source.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1] * 1
    #19021700 - 10/23/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Well, one thing that has certainly been proven is that Liberalism is a mental disorder.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19021719 - 10/23/13 08:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, one thing that has certainly been proven is that Liberalism is a mental disorder.




:lol:


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19022024 - 10/23/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I regret making this thread:sad:


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Yogi1]
    #19022459 - 10/23/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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  A 6 year old can't commit murder, so that's just nonsense.





You're telling me that between the 6 and 15 year olds you know exactly their maturity level, undiagnosed or diagnosed psychology, situation etc...

You really must be special.



Nope.  I'm telling you that none of that is relevant to my determination of whether or not they're stupid for getting someone pregnant.

I don't care how mature they are...that's just an excuse.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Enlil]
    #19075903 - 11/02/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Biggest. facepalm. ever.

Like all American oligopolies, the pharmaceutical industrial complex has it's hands up DC's ass. It costs millions to release a new drug, raising consumer prices, which they don't mind since the fees and regulations act as barriers to keep competitors out of the market. They make higher profits because they have little or no competition, allowing them to charge more, and the FDA gets a nice payment in exchange.

They push unnecessary and often harmful treatments, making them mandatory when possible. (Vaccines, anti-depressants, ADD meds, etc.)

They propagandize doctors, turning them into low life drug dealers who now know nothing about nutrition and healthy living. All they do is write prescriptions in exchange for kick backs.

They also lobby to keep marijuana illegal and that alone is enough to hate them.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19075967 - 11/02/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The FDA isn't paid by pharmaceutical companies.  It is a federally funded agency.

You're welcome to lobby to legalize marijuana.  Why are you so against freedom of speech?


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Enlil]
    #19076015 - 11/02/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The FDA isn't paid by pharmaceutical companies.  It is a federally funded agency.

You're welcome to lobby to legalize marijuana.  Why are you so against freedom of speech?



The FDA is federally funded. Pharmaceutical companies pay the federal government. So the money is filtered through the government first. Doesn't really change the situation much except that more people are being paid off.

Rofl. Lobbying is freedom of speech. I guess you don't know how lobbying works.

How am I welcome to legalize marijuana?


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19076068 - 11/02/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The pharma companies pay the government in taxes, sure, along with every other corporation in the nation.  It's a bit of a stretch to call that the "FDA get[ting]a payment in exchange."

Clearly YOU don't know how lobbying works.  Lobbying is simply the process by which laws are advocated for or against by groups who send a brief discussing the impact of the proposed legislation...or they discuss it in person.

I never said you could legalize marijuana.  I said you're free to lobby for it.  Write a brief and send it to your congressman...or meet him and advocate in person.  Or get a petition of live signatures of taxpayers and submit that to your congressman and/or senator.

Marijuana was made illegal because the people wanted it illegal.  It has remained illegal for that same reason.  Public opinion is shifting, and legalization or criminalization might be on the horizon.  Change on a national level is always slow, however.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: Enlil]
    #19076155 - 11/02/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You're right, you did say I could lobby.

Sorry man, but I think you're being a bit naive. Politics is all about making deals. Endorsements, campaign contributions, threats, etc, are all used to persuade politicians to go along with the agenda of the lobbying group. It's special interests trading with politicians. The more you have to trade, the more capable you are to buy political power.

It's not so much that lobbying is bad, in itself. It is the political system generally. No one has the right to prohibit ownership of a plant, no matter how much money you can pay organized criminals to enforce such a rule.


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Re: I think big pharma/industry is great [Re: MaxwellSmart]
    #19076173 - 11/02/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Biggest. facepalm. ever.

It costs millions to release a new drug, raising consumer prices, which they don't mind since the fees and regulations act as barriers to keep competitors out of the market. They make higher profits because they have little or no competition, allowing them to charge more, and the FDA gets a nice payment in exchange.






Before you talk about pharmaceutical companies ''make higher profits' and 'charging more' I want to ask you if you know how much money Gilead Pharmaceuticals Spent--UP FRONT, before they make even a dime, or get FDA approval, for the new hepititis C drug Sofosbuvir? (It works well too)

Once you find that information out come back and tell me if it is fair or not whether they are going to charge a lot of money for it.  Remember, a pharmaceutical company can spend Billions up front front to develop a new drug, only to have years and money wasted because the Government decides the drug isn't safe.  That's a HUGE risk they take, so, what is fair?  :smirk:


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