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How can I utilize these nice bags?
    #19075850 - 11/02/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

People keep recommending bags, the first bag I bought was over a hundred dollars including shipping, came with a free syringe lol. and didn't do anything, today I decide to look around. I stumble on these
http://www.amazon.com/Manure-Based-Mushroom-Substrate-Grow/dp/B003N07MYG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1383429515&sr=8-1&keywords=manure+myco+bags

I have syringes coming, so I thought, perfect price, hell yea il experiment with a couple of these, but stupidly didn't read the description, and amazon has informed me they've already shipped, basically manure bags you cant start from syringe. damn. Thought I could inoc and have a new substrate to work with.

However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?
I picked this over the brf bags because ive been wanting to try a more nutritious sub. theres gotta be something I can do, I don't have grains or PC. hope someone can help. thanks


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19075996 - 11/02/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10981397

Nice write up on using PF Tek as spawn to bulk substrate. Your issue will be getting your spawn into the bag, as the bag is meant to be injected. You can't really get the shredded spawn in there without exposing it to contams... may want to just open the bag and use in a tray similar to the examples shown in the tek I posted there.

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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: urthtown]
    #19076005 - 11/02/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is why you don't buy stuff on a whim and you do research before you purchase stuff.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19076045 - 11/02/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, that's a good idea, probably try that, so I still wonder since I will have spore syringes at the same time it is ok to just inoculate with spore syringe than? Might just try on one of them to see what happens.  Not a big loss. The description made it sound like you were supposed to use grain spawn instead, wich would entail opening it anyway. So either it's the same thing just with brf, or I actually can shoot it up?


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19076100 - 11/02/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No.  You can't.  You can use grain spawn, and spawn in a SAB.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Mush4Brains]
    #19076112 - 11/02/13 05:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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spawn in a SAB.



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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19076176 - 11/02/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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spawn in a SAB.



Who does this?



maybe its your hoot this time as he is talking about spawning to a sterile sub


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: cronicr]
    #19076484 - 11/02/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19076595 - 11/02/13 06:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19076762 - 11/02/13 07:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?




If you have cakes, quickly birth one directly into each spawn bag, close it, and break it up with your fingers from outside of the bag. Simple as that. :thumbup:


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
    #19076796 - 11/02/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?




If you have cakes, quickly birth one directly into each spawn bag, close it, and break it up with your fingers from outside of the bag. Simple as that. :thumbup:




Manure is substrate not spawn. The manure is pasteurized so the speed at which it's put into the SUBSTRATE bag won't matter since it's not something that needs to be sterile anyway.

Even if it were to be a SPAWN bag what you suggested would still be pure fail because you would get contamination into sterile media doing that.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19076987 - 11/02/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Manure is substrate not spawn. The manure is pasteurized so the speed at which it's put into the SUBSTRATE bag won't matter since it's not something that needs to be sterile anyway.

Even if it were to be a SPAWN bag what you suggested would still be pure fail because you would get contamination into sterile media doing that.




Its not "pure fail" I've done this several times into sterilized spawn bags. His manure is sterilized in this case if you would have read the ops post. Generally you want a filter over the lid but its not necessary for success.  bodhisatta next time read the post completely and not try to act like a know-it-all, or you'll just set yourself up for another "pure fail".

Oh, and its usually called a "spawn bag" no matter what's in it. Sub or spawn.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
    #19077033 - 11/02/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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However, I do have some brf cakes that will be done by the time they get here, you think I could cheese grate them in there and mix? or could I just literally shoot it up?




If you have cakes, quickly birth one directly into each spawn bag, close it, and break it up with your fingers from outside of the bag. Simple as that. :thumbup:





This sounds like a good idea, by far the easiest, makes since thanks for the suggestion, might work out after all! Maybe I can figure it out when I see the bag but is there an easy way to seal it back up?


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19077048 - 11/02/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Just turn the jar upside down and try to empty as much of the dry verm layer off before spawning it so as to avoid contamination. 

You don't need to "seal" it, just twist it really tight and tie it with a few wires or zip-ties.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
    #19079653 - 11/03/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

good luck...


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19079669 - 11/03/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

without a proper filter i wouldnt use cakes


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: cronicr]
    #19079926 - 11/03/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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without a proper filter i wouldnt use cakes




In an ideal world, you're correct.  However, have you ever tried this? 
I have done this many, many times into sterilized substrate with a 100% success rate (I didn't expect it to be that successful).  Like I said in an earlier post, ideally you want a filter disk (and no dry verm layer) but I always just emptied the dry layer off before putting it in the bag.  Just trying to relate through experience is all.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
    #19079938 - 11/03/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i have tried with taped holez and had some success but way better success with a true filter


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
    #19080009 - 11/03/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Manure is substrate not spawn. The manure is pasteurized so the speed at which it's put into the SUBSTRATE bag won't matter since it's not something that needs to be sterile anyway.

Even if it were to be a SPAWN bag what you suggested would still be pure fail because you would get contamination into sterile media doing that.




Its not "pure fail" I've done this several times into sterilized spawn bags. His manure is sterilized in this case if you would have read the ops post. Generally you want a filter over the lid but its not necessary for success.  bodhisatta next time read the post completely and not try to act like a know-it-all, or you'll just set yourself up for another "pure fail".

Oh, and its usually called a "spawn bag" no matter what's in it. Sub or spawn.




I'm glad you had good luck. I had luck doing G2G in open air the first time I grew and I bragged about it. Does that mean it's not fucking stupid to do? I used to go around saying well it worked for me when I did something stupid as a noob cultivator any telling other noobs it would work. Just because it worked for you once doesn't mean we have seen it fail more often than not. This just shows your ignorance. You should really read more before giving advice.

out grow still references their poo bags as substrate not spawn They even say you need to use spawn to inoculate them. Besides that they do sterilize their substrates which is a horrible idea it should be pasteurized otherwise your chance of contams goes up even more especially using birthed PF cakes to as spawn to sterile media.

Either way you're setting the OP up for failure. While the rest of us would like to see him have better success chances as to not give up after his first grow gets ruined by shitty information.

Either way OP do as you wish. I trust you'll be able to identify the people who know wtf they're doing or not. Or try it for yourself. I know I had to make my own mistakes. I only hope you don't cultivate contamination on your first try with these overpriced garbage bags. Buy the bags and fill them yourself. It's not as bad or hard as it sounds. I wanted to cut corners when I started out too. You'll quickly learn that's a bad idea.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19080040 - 11/03/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If all you got is syringes get some rtv silicone and make some homage injection ports on those. Easy as pie. Go for a nickel sized blob of silicone. Spread it around to ensure a good adhesion on the plastic bag.  Shoot 5cc of spore slurry thru it. Then dab a bit more silicone right over the injection spot. Not hard and assuming ur syringe is clean ur gtg.  If you spawn sterilized poo with pf cakes you are likely to grow green.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19080047 - 11/03/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If all you got is syringes get some rtv silicone and make some homage injection ports on those. Easy as pie. Go for a nickel sized blob of silicone. Spread it around to ensure a good adhesion on the plastic bag.  Shoot 5cc of spore slurry thru it. Then dab a bit more silicone right over the injection spot. Not hard and assuming ur syringe is clean ur gtg.




I know you're a TC but I have to ask

You really think 5CC MS would colonize a whole 2# bag of sterilized poo before staling out?

Even the vendor says you need to use some sort of spawn to get these bags to go to 100% in reasonable time.

Just sincerely wondering.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19080084 - 11/03/13 12:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Didn't see the weight or size of the bag but if 2 pounds of poo ur right. Better success would be to make multiple ports and inject more for sure. Whether is stalls depends on how good a job the vendor did in hydrating the substrate. Properly hydrated no reason why it would stall mi am assuming the bag has a filter patch?  Since it is sterile you have plenty of time for it to colonize, assuming you keep it sterile when you inoculate it.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19080114 - 11/03/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Didn't see the weight or size of the bag but if 2 pounds of poo ur right. Better success would be to make multiple ports and inject more for sure. Whether is stalls depends on how good a job the vendor did in hydrating the substrate. Properly hydrated no reason why it would stall mi am assuming the bag has a filter patch?  Since it is sterile you have plenty of time for it to colonize, assuming you keep it sterile when you inoculate it.




The bag that the OP posted originally does have a filter patch but if he wants to inoculate it with birthed PF cakes it's not going to stay sterile(aside from mush myc) long.

If I were OP and were going to use the bag no matter what I would make a 2-4 SHIPs with silicone on the bag like Amanita said and inject MS rather than trying to spawn cakes especially because it's sterile. PF cakes work good for spawn if the substrate is pasteurized


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19080153 - 11/03/13 12:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Didn't see the weight or size of the bag but if 2 pounds of poo ur right. Better success would be to make multiple ports and inject more for sure. Whether is stalls depends on how good a job the vendor did in hydrating the substrate. Properly hydrated no reason why it would stall mi am assuming the bag has a filter patch?  Since it is sterile you have plenty of time for it to colonize, assuming you keep it sterile when you inoculate it.




The bag that the OP posted originally does have a filter patch but if he wants to inoculate it with birthed PF cakes it's not going to stay sterile(aside from mush myc) long.

If I were OP and were going to use the bag no matter what I would make a 2-4 SHIPs with silicone on the bag like Amanita said and inject MS rather than trying to spawn cakes especially because it's sterile. PF cakes work good for spawn if the substrate is pasteurized



Yup!  Pf cakes into a sterile sub is a lost cause. I would still be careful about the amt of ms injected. Less might be better in this case as I would worry about the added moisture over saturating the poo. Then it quickly can go anaerobic and stall. If it were me I would make four ports and shoot 2mil in each one.  Thats plenty of spores and then it just comes down to how clean the ms syringe is.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19082359 - 11/03/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok, il go for the silicone injection sites, kind of what I was hoping to do, not a big deal if it fails, have a whole pf tek grow going beside it, this is for experiment I guess, and about the price, its honestly cheap enough to not be worried about, I know you can get a huge bag of manure for the same price that would make a lot of these, but its not the hundred dollar bag I stupidly bought a while ago, seems worth it until I get PC.
I will get some silicone, make a few injection points, and keep you guys updated since its kind of experimental. you think I could get this particular kind at ace or somewhere similar?


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19084661 - 11/04/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ok, il go for the silicone injection sites, kind of what I was hoping to do, not a big deal if it fails, have a whole pf tek grow going beside it, this is for experiment I guess, and about the price, its honestly cheap enough to not be worried about, I know you can get a huge bag of manure for the same price that would make a lot of these, but its not the hundred dollar bag I stupidly bought a while ago, seems worth it until I get PC.
I will get some silicone, make a few injection points, and keep you guys updated since its kind of experimental. you think I could get this particular kind at ace or somewhere similar?



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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: Amanita virosa]
    #19084726 - 11/04/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's one problem - spores aren't gonna want to germinate on poo, without any grain to feed it.


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    #19084944 - 11/04/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You guys are funny.  An MS syringe is JUST as likely to get green, if not more so.  And noc'ing manure with a MS syringe is not at all the preferred method to begin with. 

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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: joiningheads]
    #19085902 - 11/04/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You guys are funny.  An MS syringe is JUST as likely to get green, if not more so.  And noc'ing manure with a MS syringe is not at all the preferred method to begin with. 

Suit yourselves.



I agree that it isn't the preferred method but....
Op has no flow hood. He would have to cut open the bag of sterilized substrate;  just doing that is likely to contaminate it. Then birth a cake or two, get rid of the contaminated verm, drop
Them into the sub, reseal the bag except he prolly doesn't have an impulse sealler either which means zip tying it closed. That is gonna contaminate. Almost guaranteed keeping in mind that the sub is sterilized not pasteurized. Just a few bacteria or mold spores and its all over. . Injecting ms into the poo never exposes it to the outside environment. I will admit that It still has a pretty high likely hood to fail though primarily because syringes are so often contaminated with bacteria and mold these days. Also likely to stall because I bet the poo is gonna be too compacted and wet. Maybe op is willing to try one of each? And get back to us??  Cube spores germinate just fine in poo in nature. Don't see why they wouldn't in poo in a bag but I will admit I have never shot ms into poo only lc.


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    #19089141 - 11/05/13 09:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well I've done a bunch of reading, and it seems like the ultimate way to go which is like what amanita was talking about is inject it with liquid culture instead of spores, it doesn't sound like manure has enough carbohydrates to get spores to latch onto, but most threads I've come across ppl. Haven't tried it much.

So since I have more spores than I need il try it on one for the hell of it, and will hopefully can drop a cake in there with enough grace. I live in a brand new place, and haven't had contam issues yet. Definitely don't have a high chance of success, but oh well. I suppose I could throw them in the freezer and try to get something easier set up, LC or something, but considering that you are supposed to drop grains in here to inoc. Just like the drop a cake in, maybe there is something I'm missing, il know when I get them I suppose. Like, either way you are SUPPOSED to cut it open anyway, don't know what I'm trying to say, but I also saw pictures where a guy just taped up the top of the bag, il probably do it in the oven or something for extra caution.


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    #19091123 - 11/05/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, it's on, just got them, only had one cake at 100 percent, so I sterilized the air in a rarely used bathroom, flammed the scissors, turned the jar upside down to let verm layer spill onto paper towel, cut the bag open and quickly tapped the cake into the bag and taped it up on the top, that was the hardest part to move with speed, than tried to break the cake up and mix it, i think i harmed it a little bit. Here's a pic.


All in all it went fast, everything seemed very clean, got high hopes.
Didnt get spores today, so I have one bag still waiting around for a cake or spores.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19091472 - 11/05/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you did all that in open air, you're probably just gonna get contams.


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    #19091523 - 11/05/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If you did all that in open air, you're probably just gonna get contams.



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He is what we call a troll. Although he might have experienced some success everyone that's been around mushrooms long enough knows that it's only going to cause you way more problems.

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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19091613 - 11/05/13 06:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Okay. I know I can be as big of a dumb-ass as anybody else. But, I hope I can get a smiley face for effort.

I've read through this post a couple of times. I can't seem to find anything that indicates the substrate bag is sterile. I even looked on the manufacturer's web-site.

Is it just common knowledge that it's sterile because it's in a myco-bag with a filter patch? Is this not just the preferred method for shipping? Could it not be pasteurized instead?

Is everyone just jumping to conclusion that it's sterilized? Did I just miss something? The first person to point out what I'm missing get's a free "Dutch Rudder". Female's get an "Alabama Hot-Pocket"


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19091661 - 11/05/13 06:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

huh, well the reason I went with that method is that I also asked the company it came from, they basically said, no you cant shoot spores into it, but yes you can use brf cakes to inoc. So my thinking was that even if I was doing it the way I was supposed to (rye grain) than this is what I was supposed to do, cut it open and dump the colonized rye, which is what anyone would do with these I suppose. So, I also understand I don't have the correct equipment (flow hood) but that seems to be the only missing thing. so basically the way I figured it is that im doing exactly what was meant to be done with these except without the flow hood. so time will tell I guess

So as far as advice from other posters, I guess im going to just inject a few places with spores, is this what you guys are getting at, that I should have done that? I don't understand how else you could spawn these bags without opening to the air for a second. I don't see any other option other than to do what I just did, or inoc. the manure with spores.

you think this other bag could last in the freezer while I work on a liquid culture? because that to me seems by far the most ideal. Im just going on the combination of info I have that makes the most since.


And it says on the site 100% sterilized.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19091680 - 11/05/13 06:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Out Grow sterilizes there substrates

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The moister content is guaranteed in the sterilized mushroom substrate. We have a huge autoclave that we use to sterilize our substrate. This makes sure there is no bacteria or mold spores left living in the compost. You will receive a myco bag full of enriched mushroom substrate that any dung loving mushroom species will thrive on. I have personally seen up to 6 flushes of mushroom from 5 pounds of Out Grows Manure Based Mushroom Substrate. That's because there is so much nutrients available to the mushrooms they just keep on fruiting. We package our Manure Based Mushroom Substrate in pre sealed 10" myco bags with built in pre-filter. These are currently the best myco bags available for home mushroom cultivation. This will insure that you receive the freshest substrate possible. This is perfect substrate for all gourmet dung loving mushrooms. (copied from the amazon link)




I think the vendor meant to say moisture too.

This description alone leaves me feeling meh about their business.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19091711 - 11/05/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The thing with a PF cake is that it's going to be nearly impossible to keep it sterile as it requires too much handling to spawn. Let alone it has the dry verm barrier you have to remove which almost inevitably makes the cake a non-sterile source of inoculate no matter how well you handle it with sterile procedure(which you didn't use).

You can keep rye sterile(aside from it having the desired mycellium on it) if you open your jars in a SAB or infront of a LFH

You can do inoculations these ways

Sterile to Sterile (agar to grain / grain to mycobag) (even with this you need a flow hood or sab but most people would never think to spawn to a mycobag in a SAB)
or Sterile to pasturized (why bother but you can)
or even non-sterile to pasturized (spawning colonized rye to bulk in open air)
but not non sterile to sterile (pf cake birthed into open air and then into a sterile bag is bad news)


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19091713 - 11/05/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If that bag is indeed sterile, then it will likely contaminate because you opened in open air and added a "non-sterile" spawn to it.

Most consider inoculating manure with spores to be a bad idea, even sterile manure.

You run the same risk of contamination with sterile manure as you do with sterile grains or cake because there is no guarantee your spores are clean.

However, if you consider my above post and your substrate is merely pasteurized, then it stands a better chance. As a matter of fact, if it is merely pasteurized, then you could have dunked and crumbled your cakes before you put them in the bag.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19091761 - 11/05/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for posting that. I completely missed it. I owe you a grand prize.

I was hoping to be the bearer of good news. If only it were pasteurized.

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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19091884 - 11/05/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Grosser Preis!

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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19091885 - 11/05/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

huh, interesting, I think for next time I just wont mess with this, trying to jump from pf tek to bulk  has my head spinning. I still have high hopes though, where I threw the cake in was very clean, lots of air cleaner spray in the air, and did not touch the cake. it is disappointing though. this is getting confusing. But the pf tek was confusing till I did it, maybe I should just pasteurize some manure and spawn a cake to it.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19091939 - 11/05/13 07:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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huh, interesting, I think for next time I just wont mess with this, trying to jump from pf tek to bulk  has my head spinning. I still have high hopes though, where I threw the cake in was very clean, lots of air cleaner spray in the air, and did not touch the cake. it is disappointing though. this is getting confusing. But the pf tek was confusing till I did it, maybe I should just pasteurize some manure and spawn a cake to it.




Your very clean is just as dirty as the bottom of your shoe as far as mycology is concerned. A SINGLE rogue spore can ruin sterile substrate. You need lab cleanliness be it a LFH or very still & settled air in a SAB.

I would suggest starting with Coir+verm substrates rather than manure. It's probably easier to find, cheaper(sometimes), and more forgiving.

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Watch these

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I highly suggest watching the BRF/PF tek videos and looking into building a cheap and effective SGFC

If you're interested in moving away from the PF tek there's grain/bulk info at the above link and more detailed info below

How frank gets shit done
This is franks post with links to his teks.
Frank is one of our Trusted Cultivators.
If you use the advance search engine you can click a box for trusted cultivators. This will give you replies to the question you had(that's already been asked 100s of times) by people that know their shit. Please do this before posting any question you have

Tips and tricksLot's of good stuff in here.

Preparing grain spawn
What to do with that spawn? Coir prep Tek

If you plan on asking about lighting in the future NotAHacker will probably copy and paste this to you so here's it in advance
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Good things to know are there's a box for "trusted cultivators" in the advanced search engine when you click on search posts. This gives you replies by only people with the TC tag.

Good current members to listen to are NotAHacker420 and Frank(from the above links) They're around a lot and their advice is solid.




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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19091948 - 11/05/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Keep your chin up. The forum is for helping people sort this stuff out and to advance cultivation.

It can be confusing. If it were easy, then there would be no need for the forums anymore.

bodhisatta is correct. You can't mix an unsterilized material in to something that is sterilized. Nothing was sterile except that bag of manure and it was no longer sterile when you opened it in the open air. It's a recipe for disaster.

You don't have to use manure either. You can mix vermiculite and coco coir instead. But yes, pasteurize it, don't sterilize it.

bodhi beat me to it.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19145634 - 11/16/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

just as an update on the one I dropped the cake into, no contams, and mycelium is colonizing very nicely, would say 60% done, the other one is still in the freezer, sorry, just got super busy and never got around to getting the silicone, but so far so good.


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    #19171007 - 11/21/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Got pins, hell yea, super stoked. doesn't look fully colonized like a cake does, but there is mycelium all over it, I guess manure has a different look when fully colonized. but a ton of pins on both sides, looks like its gonna look nice, il post pics in a day or two when the pins are a bit bigger.


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19196577 - 11/27/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe someone can help me with this, I've got a few really large size fruits that have been coming up for days now, all of them small and large are really fuzzy all the way up the stems and they are growing damn tall, and just keep growing taller, I am thinking that fae isn't very efficient, so I opened the bag, after I pick than dunk, should I put it back in the bag and close it off? Or Leave it open?

It's hard to believe that with a sgfc you have so many holes, and have to fan multiple times a day, and that barely takes care of fae, but with this, ppl say far is adequate with just that little patch and no openings, these are the biggest nicest shrooms I've gotten so far though. So is fruiting in the closed bag the best for all flushes u think?


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Re: How can I utilize these nice bags? [Re: solo11]
    #19196591 - 11/27/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

we fan the sgfc to help evaporation , they get constant fae. open it up and fan more


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    #19196609 - 11/27/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Cool, so you think I should just open it up a couple times a day and fan a bit?


Took a couple mushrooms just now before the veil broke, but that's one side.


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