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Mad at psychedelics
    #18961128 - 10/10/13 07:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

About 2 months ago I took about 2 dabs of thc wax for the first time, drank about 8 beers and took a 1 mg blotter of 25i Nbome at 3 am, aswell as smoked massive ammounts of pot throughout the night . Prior to this I had been a daily pot smoker for about 2 years and smoking weed for 3 years on the weekends before that. Prior tripping experience was nothing other than taking 800 micrograms of LSD my first time about 4 months ago. I had an insane trip after taking the 800 micros of LSD, so much so that I wouldnt even want to go into it other than the fact that after I smoked a blunt my trip went horrible and I thought I was going insane. Any ways after my first trip life went back to normal the next day. Unfortunately after my second trip which was 2 months ago  life did not go back to normal. I had stayed awake all night smoking pot, and sitting in the extremly uncomfortable setting of my friends apartment. Then when I finally got home, I passed out around 3 pm 12 hours after ingestion. When I woke up at like 5pm I felt like I was still kind of tripping. Later that night things went down hill. I began to panic and freak out, and I expirienced my first ever panic attacks. I threw up and felt like i had a fever, and I couldnt feel my head, I felt like I was floating, I couldnt sit still or be alone, I couldnt do any thing except panic. The next  I woke up and had these same feelings, of extreme EXTREMEME anxiety and feeling unreal. I had blurry vision, and visual snow, and objects moved if I stared long enough. I felt unreal. Then after about a week or so I quit smoking pot to try to feel better and thats when I started waking up in the middle of the nights with panic attacks, shaking, and head spinning. I still wake up at all hours of the nights, but now I simply go back to sleep. I also still feel a sense of unreality and have seen a psych about all this. What I have is a classic case of derealization/depersonalization, a crazy symptom of anxiety. It still haunts me everyday, however I am on zoloft and I no longer have panic attacks, I just have all the symptoms. I feel like this is not my mind any more at times and like I am floating in my head and that I am disconnected from the world. and I have a lot of visual snow as well as extremem sensativity to light. Do not tell me that this sound schizophrenia or something because tha tis my biggest fear in the world becoming schizophrenic and pretty much the reason I saw a doc in the first place and he said most definatly not. Any ways I am very angry because I loved to smoke pot and I  also loved tripping and now it looks like I will never be able ot do both ever again because once get better I am in fear of bringing it back. I am really pissed off that I cant do what I once loved and it causes a lot of anxiety knowing that I cant just go out and buy some weed and light up, especially since its all my friends ever do. Did anyone ever have any similar experiences from lsd or any kind of psychedelics, also did anyone have any similar expiriences and start smoking pot again. Or does anyone have any advice.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: squidson]
    #18962343 - 10/11/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

4 months ago-ish eh?
sounds similar to a friends experience with some pseudo-lds that was going around. brought about similar feelings and long hangovers that left them feeling insane...they were fine after a few weeks once they're neurotransmitters were replenished

as for the 25i....that shit is fairly new and from what i hear, leaves the user feeling fuct over.
i wouldnt feel any negative feelings toward psychedelics or weed or alcohol or even xanax.

take it as a bad experience. then try to learn from that.
then repeat for possibly new and better results. never give up.
especially on psychedelics.
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You are not schitzo...plus being schitzofrenic is not a bad thing....that's your Cultural Disinformation Bullshit....in other cultures these "mental illnesses" are embraced and encouraged.

Don't fear yourself.
Don't fear your drugs.
Try to relax and know that we have all pushed far and looked back, like, "OH SHITTT!!!" I DID IT IM. IN.SANE."
Its part of the ride so try to enjoy it and know that you will return to what you consider "normal" very soon.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: squidson]
    #18962589 - 10/11/13 04:26 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The best thing you can do for yourself is not over think and stress. Get excersize eat we'll and try to stop taking the benzos when you can. Don't smoke weed or do other drugs.

I think I've been getting this "visual snow" ever since I was born. Don't worry about that shit.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: Everything]
    #18962727 - 10/11/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

OP, you are trashing your body with cheap chemicals and retarded doses, and then whine about the psychedelics. That's like sticking your fingers in a wall socket and then being mad at the power company because it was live with electricity :rolleyes:

800 mics is probably way too much for inexperienced trippers, maybe even for some experienced ones on a bad day. For a first time dose it's IMO a bit retarded. Had you taken 200, 400 and 600 before, in that order, to work your way up to 800, it would have been perfectly fine. Starting with 800 is the not-so-smart way of doing it. Now you know.

2 dabs of thc wax THE FIRST TIME + 8 beers + 25i NBOME = irresponsible teenager behavior in my book. Stop hanging out with the shitty friends that send the message that this is intelligent behavior. It's not. Google more.



The psychedelics are fine, in fact they're more than fine, for most responsible users they're absolutely fantastic. The fact that you manage to have such a shitty time on them speaks only about you and your uninspired way of taking them.

You could have had 3 or 4 awesome trips on that 800 mics, had you used just a little bit of common sense.

Stop combining, start using correct doses, and they'll work as advertised. Keep doing this retarded crap and we'll see you again with similar threads.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: Spacerific]
    #18963542 - 10/11/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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also did anyone have any similar expiriences and start smoking pot again




I didn't feel like I was going insane.  I did.  Its like I was stuck in a metaphorical language and everything that was being said had a transcendental counterpart that was essential to a telepathic world unspoken in human voice rolling off of people's body language.  And voices of beings were narrating all this claiming that they were telling me what people were thinking.

I found that Cannabis would bring on the panic and anxiety and the voices got louder and more controlling.

I guess I decided that exposing myself to the anxiety and panic and voices would be like 'putting myself into the flame' and I could face my fears.  I started smoking small amounts and going into panic attacks and just riding through them trying to learn from them.

Now herb doesn't give me that rush of introspection.  And I know that I don't need it.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18978617 - 10/14/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: FishOilTheKid]
    #18978736 - 10/14/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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FishOilTheKid said:
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also did anyone have any similar expiriences and start smoking pot again




I didn't feel like I was going insane.  I did.  Its like I was stuck in a metaphorical language and everything that was being said had a transcendental counterpart that was essential to a telepathic world unspoken in human voice rolling off of people's body language.  And voices of beings were narrating all this claiming that they were telling me what people were thinking.




Been there, long ago.  Even now, sometimes smoking a lot in a group setting will bring it on again, although it was originally experienced because of shrooms.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: Sleepwalker] * 1
    #19070051 - 11/01/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

hey squidson,

I can totally relate to your circumstances, been there in the past and actually dealing with a bit of the same right now. I experienced depersonalisation last year after a long night of smoking salvia and a /lot/ of pot. things felt kind of strange the following day, and it was only when i fired up a fat one the next night that it really spun me out. I felt like I was walking around in a dream world and wanted to climb into a hedge on the way home and go to sleep. Pretty fucked up stuff. Anyway, combined with a shit tonne of stress at work, I had some of the worst few months of my life, anxiety at 100% from first thing in the morning until every evening, not a nice place to be.

Anyway, on a more positive note, looking back I probably experienced more spiritual growth during those months of recovery than I can ever previously remember. I know it can seem tough enough just getting through each day right now, but let me assure you that your current circumstance is completely temporary and will improve more and more each day. Right now you just have to focus on taking care of yourself and not dwelling on any negative thoughts around the whole thing that are not serving you well.

Let me share a few things that I believe helped me when i was in that position.

- For the time being, give the drugs a break. I know how it can feel thinking that you'll never be able to fire up a fat one again, but if you're careful and give your body / mind plenty of time to heal, that doesn't need to be the case.  Psychedelics take me so fucking high that I can barely feel the pot when I smoke it. The two occasions when I've ended up with a lot of anxiety after tripping, I smoked pot almost constantly throughout the experience, because I couldn't feel it. Personally I think this is the biggest contributing factor to the problem. Smoking more pot while you're trying to recover will most likely spin you out again, so forget about it for the time being. After giving myself plenty of time to recover I was able to enjoy a few joints again with friends with moderation!

- Watch your diet. Avoid alcohol, sugary food & drinks and caffeine e.g. coffee!. All of these things will make your anxiety and dp way worse. Make sure you're eating a good balanced diet. Plenty of fresh vegetables and as little processed shite as possible. You need to make sure you're providing your body with all the essential building blocks it needs to efficiently heal its self. I'll talk a little more about this below.

- Exercise. It's a generic response to almost any problem but take it from me that it helps a shit tonne! If you've got an old exercise bike or running machine in the garage get it setup and set yourself a goal of an extra few minutes workout each day. You'll start to feel the benefits of this in no time.

- Read some books that you really buzz off or start learning a new language. These are great ways to exercise your brain and focus your thought process. It's so easy to get caught in a shitty cycle of fearing your anxiety that it begins to steal your attention at any opportunity. Keeping your mind active by reading or learning a new skill is a great way to break this cycle and return to a calmer state of being.

- Meditation. Read up on meditation and give it a go. If you've never tried it before, it can seem confusing and may take a little practice before you notice the results. If that's the case, check out youtube for a 'guided meditation'. Sit comfortably with no distractions and pop your headphones on. The idea is similar to my point above about breaking negative thought cycles. Meditation allows you to quiet your mind which in turn dials down your anxiety, allowing your body and mind to take a well deserved break. The more you do this, the longer that chilled out, calm state will stay with you. Some recent studies have shown that experienced meditators show greatly decreased activity in the part of the brain responsible for obsessive and anxious behavior. Also try and avoid researching your problems, this just strengthens the negative thoughts!

- Keep having fun. Anxiety can stop you doing a lot of things that you'd normally enjoy. Don't view the anxiety as an external threat that's coming from outside of you, welcome it as your ally and try to learn from it, but most of all don't let it stop you doing the things you enjoy. Confide in your friends and let them know whats going on. It could end up being a good opportunity for you all to go hang out together and do something different. Let them get stoned out before you meet up and then go play football or something. It's hard hanging out with people who're smoking when you're not, but having good friends around you is worth the willpower on your part. just don't be tempted to break your abstinence early, you'll only end up setting your recovery back.

If you're able to incorporate some of those points above you'll be creating a great environment for your body to successfully heal its self. Its amazing what our bodies are capable of!

I tripped off mushrooms and acid over the summer while on holiday and had two excellent trips. A few weeks ago I had another excellent mushroom trip, but later that evening I tripped again and made the mistake of smoking a whole heap of weed because, again, I couldn't feel it! A day or two later and the anxiety dropped on me like a bomb. I was so fucked off with myself for being back in the same position, all be it no where near as sever as the first time this happened to me, but again it's been a blessing because I think it serves as confirmation to me that combining substances and indulging in excess when loaded does not sit well with me. I've been supplementing with 5-HTP (100mg before bed) which seems to help greatly with sleep and really take the edge off the anxiety. This is something to consider in the future if you're suffering from anxiety, however if you're currently taking a pharmaceutical prescription for it, avoid this for now and discuss it with your doctor in the future if you decide to give it a go.

I hope this info will be of some use to you. Just know that this kind of thing is a lot more common than you might think. Try and learn from your experience and look after yourself, you'll be back to fighting fit in no time :psychsplit:

peace brother!


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: osorus]
    #19075602 - 11/02/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sounds like great advice, osorus. Things everyone could benefit from, really.

Good luck, OP. Hope you can recover and learn from the experience.


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Re: Mad at psychedelics [Re: osorus]
    #19081767 - 11/03/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks a lot, this is defiantly the best response of gotten from anyone so far. Just reading this makes me feel better. I tried 5-htp for the first month and it helped a lot, however I found taking Zoloft whch I was prescribed has really made it bearable and I cant combine 5-htp with an SSRI. I have not smoked in about 3 months now, and it has been quite easy even though I have been a heavy pot smoker for about 3-4 years. however this whole time I have been very worried that I would never be able to smoke pot again, and you have just relieved a little bit of that stress :smile: Hopefully I will feel some reality and can once again (occaionally) smoke. Thanks!


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