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Offlinecircastes
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The true spiritual pilgrimage...
    #19073577 - 11/02/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

...is into your own heart and mind to discover Who is fact is waiting there.

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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: circastes]
    #19074456 - 11/02/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bowser?


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: circastes]
    #19074512 - 11/02/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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circastes said:
...is into your own heart and mind to discover Who in fact is waiting there.

:heart:



Nice.

If you're looking for heaven, you're not going to find it on some altar in a church or at the feet of a guru.

It's an inside job.



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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: all this beauty]
    #19074518 - 11/02/13 10:39 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Does heaven die when your insides die then?


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: Yogi1]
    #19074549 - 11/02/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Does heaven die when your insides die then?



My insides are totally inconsequential to the game.  My perception of what's real and not real, completely unreliable.  I am, after all, just a mess of neurons, cells, and all manner of bloody junk.

Something lurks there, though.

Something pretty wonderful.


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: all this beauty]
    #19074555 - 11/02/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:awesome: fair enough


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: Yogi1]
    #19074583 - 11/02/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder about this myself.  I seem to think that it's our brains that organize chaos, chaos that is reality.  When we stimulate 5ht2a receptors, we break down this blocking feature.  We then see a greater realm, one that may be eternal.  So when we die, we stay for ever in what really is.... the great tripping mind/soul.


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: circastes]
    #19074607 - 11/02/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Bishop of Hippo, Saint Augustine (354-430):

    The first step forward . . . will be to see that the attention is fastened on truth. Of course faith does not see truth clearly, but it has an eye for it, so to speak, which enables it to see that a thing is true even when it does not see the reason for it. It does not yet see the thing it believes, but at least it knows for certain that it does not see it and that it is true none the less. This possession through faith of a hidden but certain truth is the very thing which will impel the mind to penetrate its content, and to give the formula, "Believe that you may understand" (Crede ut intelligas), its full meaning.


With the light of the intellect we can see things which are invisible to our bodily senses. No one denies that mathematical and geometrical truths are "seen" in this way. To prove a proposition means to give it form, by analysis, simplification, transformation, or dissection, through which the truth can be seen; beyond this seeing there is neither the possibility of nor the need for any further proof.

Can we see, with the light of the intellect, things which go beyond mathematics and geometry? Again, no one denies that we can see what another person means, sometimes even when he does not express himself accurately. Our everyday language is a constant witness to this power of seeing, of grasping ideas, which  is quite different from the process of thinking and forming opinions. It produces flashes of understanding.

    As far as St Augustine is concerned, faith is the heart of the matter. Faith tells us what there is to understand; it purifies the heart, and so allows reason to profit from discussion; it enables reason to arrive at an understanding of God's revelation. In short, when Augustine speaks of understanding, he always has in mind the product of a rational activity for which faith prepares the way.

As Buddhists say, faith opens "the eye of truth," also called "the Eye of the Heart" or "the Eye of the Soul." Saint Augustine insisted that "our whole business in this life is to restore to health the eye of the heart whereby God may be seen."

Persia's greatest Sufi poet, Rumi(1207-1273), speaks of "the eye of the heart, which is seventy-fold and of which these two sensible eyes are only the gleaners"; while John Smith the Platonist advises: "We must shut the eyes of sense, and open that brighter eye of our understandings, that the other eye of the soul, as the philosopher calls our intellectual faculty, 'which indeed all have, but few make use of it.'" The Socctish theologian, Richard of Saint-Victor (d. 1173), says: "For the outer sense alone perceives visible things and the eye of the heart alone sees the invisible."

The power of "the Eye of the Heart," which produces insight, is vastly superior to the power of thought, which produces opinions. "Recognizing the poverty of philosophical opinions," says the Buddha, "Not adhering to any of them, seeking the truth, I saw. The process of mobilizing the various powers possessed by man, gradually and, as it were, organically, is described in a Buddhist text:

  "One can not, I say, attain supreme knowledge all at once; only by gradual training, a gradual action, a gradual unfolding, does one attain perfect knowledge. In what manner? A man comes, moved by confidence; having come, he joins; having joined, he listens; listening, he receives the doctrine; having received the doctrine, he remembers it; he examines the sense of the things remembered; from examining the sense, the things are approved of; having approved, desire is born; he ponders; pondering, he eagerly trains himself; and eagerly training himself, he mentally realizes the highest truth itself and, penetrating it by means of wisdom, he sees"

This is the process of gaining adaequatio, of developing the instrument capable of seeing and thus understanding the truth that does not merely inform the mind but liberates the soul.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Maurice Nicoll:

"A world of inward perception then begins to open out, distinct from that of outward perception. Inner space appears. The creation of the world begins in man himself. At first all is darkness: then light appears and is separated from the darkness. By this light we understand a form of consciousness to which our ordinary consciousness is, by comparison, darkness. This light has constantly been equated with truth and freedom. Inner perception of oneself, of one's invisibility, is the beginning of light. This perception of truth is not a matter of sense-perception, but of the perception of the truth of "ideas"-through which, certainly, the perception of our senses is greatly increased. The path of self-knowledge has this aim in view, for no one can know himself unless he turns inwards. . . ."

A Guide For The Perplexed by E.F Schumacher


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
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"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: circastes]
    #19075056 - 11/02/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You have to search your heart for the answer, the answer in which you have denied yourself its source, for you might wish to no longer regard the answer i n your heart and discover it in something else. Sometimes you don't wish to reveal the source that conceals your heart from expressing all of its wonderful emotions, you will hide away your heart from people so they can't expose you. You won't allow anyone to even get close to your heart, and if they do it will instantly be enclosed by some metal structure which wouldn't allow it to penetrate it. Some hearts are much more metallic than human, I think. For instance, my friend recently had a heart sold to him in the mail. They said that someone suggested that he buy a heart a week before, and thus, he persuaded him into buying a new heart. It was a heart factory that first was built last May. They created replacement hearts for people that no longer had any, so you could go around seeming like you really did when you didn't.

For indeed we might be prone to corresponding our emotions to hiding the heart from acknowledging them bestow their many faceted outbursts to the person opposite to you. For instance last week I was on a train, but I left my magazine at home and I realized I wasn't going to have anything to do in the train. I was faced with a dilemma for I didn't know anyone on this train. Nor did anyone on the train seem like they wished to engage in conversation with me. As if they would rather die than say anything to such a worthless person as myself. For we might pretend we have much worth when we really are lower than dirt.

So the train was not suppose to have left so early today, and we didn't realize when it was approaching all of London that it was going to get there atleast an hour earlier than usual, because we took a train much faster than usual. For instance this train station was built in 1972. It was atleast 30 years before I was born so I didn't know what I was viewing. I was still somewhat naive to what would happen here.

Anyway I didn't realize that they also weren't planning on taking us to London on this train, they were going to take us to France instead. My friends were the ones who suggested I take this train, but now I recognize the fact that they only suggested it so I would leave them alone. Though they sent me some of their friends to be with me on the train, despite them leaving me 10 minutes later. I always ask them to not leave me for atleast 10 minutes, they cannot leave me or I will request they must stay.


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: drkkenny]
    #19075172 - 11/02/13 01:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You'd never guess this guy used to stutter like shutters flapping in the wind.  Never.



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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: drkkenny]
    #19075505 - 11/02/13 02:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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drkkenny said:
You have to search your heart for the answer, the answer in which you have denied yourself its source, for you might wish to no longer regard the answer i n your heart and discover it in something else. Sometimes you don't wish to reveal the source that conceals your heart from expressing all of its wonderful emotions, you will hide away your heart from people so they can't expose you. You won't allow anyone to even get close to your heart, and if they do it will instantly be enclosed by some metal structure which wouldn't allow it to penetrate it. Some hearts are much more metallic than human, I think. For instance, my friend recently had a heart sold to him in the mail. They said that someone suggested that he buy a heart a week before, and thus, he persuaded him into buying a new heart. It was a heart factory that first was built last May. They created replacement hearts for people that no longer had any, so you could go around seeming like you really did when you didn't.

For indeed we might be prone to corresponding our emotions to hiding the heart from acknowledging them bestow their many faceted outbursts to the person opposite to you. For instance last week I was on a train, but I left my magazine at home and I realized I wasn't going to have anything to do in the train. I was faced with a dilemma for I didn't know anyone on this train. Nor did anyone on the train seem like they wished to engage in conversation with me. As if they would rather die than say anything to such a worthless person as myself. For we might pretend we have much worth when we really are lower than dirt.

So the train was not suppose to have left so early today, and we didn't realize when it was approaching all of London that it was going to get there atleast an hour earlier than usual, because we took a train much faster than usual. For instance this train station was built in 1972. It was atleast 30 years before I was born so I didn't know what I was viewing. I was still somewhat naive to what would happen here.

Anyway I didn't realize that they also weren't planning on taking us to London on this train, they were going to take us to France instead. My friends were the ones who suggested I take this train, but now I recognize the fact that they only suggested it so I would leave them alone. Though they sent me some of their friends to be with me on the train, despite them leaving me 10 minutes later. I always ask them to not leave me for atleast 10 minutes, they cannot leave me or I will request they must stay.



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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: circastes]
    #19076258 - 11/02/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



"Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction"


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"Springs of water welling from the fire"

"Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."


"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions."
-Thich Nhat Hanh
instant
"Experience always goes beyond ideas"


Edited by Sse (11/02/13 05:41 PM)


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Re: The true spiritual pilgrimage... [Re: Sse]
    #19079827 - 11/03/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Sse said:
Bishop of Hippo, Saint Augustine (354-430):

    The first step forward . . . will be to see that the attention is fastened on truth. Of course faith does not see truth clearly, but it has an eye for it, so to speak, which enables it to see that a thing is true even when it does not see the reason for it. It does not yet see the thing it believes, but at least it knows for certain that it does not see it and that it is true none the less. This possession through faith of a hidden but certain truth is the very thing which will impel the mind to penetrate its content, and to give the formula, "Believe that you may understand" (Crede ut intelligas), its full meaning.


With the light of the intellect we can see things which are invisible to our bodily senses. No one denies that mathematical and geometrical truths are "seen" in this way. To prove a proposition means to give it form, by analysis, simplification, transformation, or dissection, through which the truth can be seen; beyond this seeing there is neither the possibility of nor the need for any further proof.

Can we see, with the light of the intellect, things which go beyond mathematics and geometry? Again, no one denies that we can see what another person means, sometimes even when he does not express himself accurately. Our everyday language is a constant witness to this power of seeing, of grasping ideas, which  is quite different from the process of thinking and forming opinions. It produces flashes of understanding.

    As far as St Augustine is concerned, faith is the heart of the matter. Faith tells us what there is to understand; it purifies the heart, and so allows reason to profit from discussion; it enables reason to arrive at an understanding of God's revelation. In short, when Augustine speaks of understanding, he always has in mind the product of a rational activity for which faith prepares the way.

As Buddhists say, faith opens "the eye of truth," also called "the Eye of the Heart" or "the Eye of the Soul." Saint Augustine insisted that "our whole business in this life is to restore to health the eye of the heart whereby God may be seen."

Persia's greatest Sufi poet, Rumi(1207-1273), speaks of "the eye of the heart, which is seventy-fold and of which these two sensible eyes are only the gleaners"; while John Smith the Platonist advises: "We must shut the eyes of sense, and open that brighter eye of our understandings, that the other eye of the soul, as the philosopher calls our intellectual faculty, 'which indeed all have, but few make use of it.'" The Socctish theologian, Richard of Saint-Victor (d. 1173), says: "For the outer sense alone perceives visible things and the eye of the heart alone sees the invisible."

The power of "the Eye of the Heart," which produces insight, is vastly superior to the power of thought, which produces opinions. "Recognizing the poverty of philosophical opinions," says the Buddha, "Not adhering to any of them, seeking the truth, I saw. The process of mobilizing the various powers possessed by man, gradually and, as it were, organically, is described in a Buddhist text:

  "One can not, I say, attain supreme knowledge all at once; only by gradual training, a gradual action, a gradual unfolding, does one attain perfect knowledge. In what manner? A man comes, moved by confidence; having come, he joins; having joined, he listens; listening, he receives the doctrine; having received the doctrine, he remembers it; he examines the sense of the things remembered; from examining the sense, the things are approved of; having approved, desire is born; he ponders; pondering, he eagerly trains himself; and eagerly training himself, he mentally realizes the highest truth itself and, penetrating it by means of wisdom, he sees"

This is the process of gaining adaequatio, of developing the instrument capable of seeing and thus understanding the truth that does not merely inform the mind but liberates the soul.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Maurice Nicoll:

"A world of inward perception then begins to open out, distinct from that of outward perception. Inner space appears. The creation of the world begins in man himself. At first all is darkness: then light appears and is separated from the darkness. By this light we understand a form of consciousness to which our ordinary consciousness is, by comparison, darkness. This light has constantly been equated with truth and freedom. Inner perception of oneself, of one's invisibility, is the beginning of light. This perception of truth is not a matter of sense-perception, but of the perception of the truth of "ideas"-through which, certainly, the perception of our senses is greatly increased. The path of self-knowledge has this aim in view, for no one can know himself unless he turns inwards. . . ."

A Guide For The Perplexed by E.F Schumacher




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