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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: OneiricOutsider]
    #19071202 - 11/01/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Nakor420 was probably just misunderstanding the word "produce", humans don't produce or generate any bacteria, but we do harbor tons of them. Apparently during and right after birth, bacteria from your mom and surrounding environment rapidly colonize your gut and other areas. Kind of weird to think about, but cool :laugh:




Quite dumb to misunderstand the word "produce" but I was feeling a bit sensitive earlier and it ain't nice to be "Godzilla facepalmed" :lol:

Still pretty sure my body has never created any other form of life (within the generally established realm of scientific understanding) :wink:


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Skinty]
    #19072496 - 11/01/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I'm not the one who claimed humans PRODUCE bacteria...go back and read...that was someone else.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Nakor420]
    #19072526 - 11/01/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Also. I just looked it up and bacteria exist within a completely separate kingdom of life than fungi OR animalia...so my original point that fungi does not produce bacteria is still true...I just thought they were animalia...my mistake..I'm not a biologist or a zoologist...


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Nakor420]
    #19072638 - 11/01/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)



NO.  One form of life cannot produce another form of life.  I can't believe some of these replies and the original posts came from someone who even passed 5th grade science. 

Bacteria cannot be "created" from anything, except other bacteria.  Just like humans can't produce anything but other humans or beetles wont produce caterpillar eggs, the child will always be the same species as the parents with similar traits determined by the combined genes, in the case of sexual creatures or the parent, in the case of asexual creatures.  Bacteria are asexual and reproduce by creating a copy of themselves through Binary Fission.

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If a mushroom were to grow in a sterile environment, would the environment stay sterile or would the mushroom itself produce bacteria that would cause the environment to not be sterile any longer?



If a mushroom was placed in a 100% completely sterile envrionment, with the exception of the mushroom and its spores, and everything on and in the mushroom is sterile, again except for the mushroom nothing would happen, except the mushroom would dehydrate over time, as all elements of the cycle of life will have been removed. 

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maybe the fungus spits and from they're saliva bacteria are born. maybe it's a new domain, not archaea, bateria or some kind of protist, but a super fungus-unicellular-way-cooler-than-yeast-creature


This is so retarded, I can't make heads or tails of it. 

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Alright, so as long as no flies get into my jars I won't have a maggot problem. And as long as they don't get on top of my jars, there won't be any maggots on top of the jars.

That covered my next question.

But as far as mushrooms producing any bacteria, do they?



Read above.  And I dont know why it matters since you will NEVER replicate a sterile environment at home.  There will constantly be mold spores and bacteria in your fruiting chamber, no matter what you do, millions of them.  Even in a properly pressure cooked, unopened BRF or grain jar, there will be stunned/incapacitated contaminants as total sterilization would take a day or longer.  Sterilization = No existance of life or possibility of life (i.e. Mold spores)  The massive numbers of them are what keep the cycle of life and decay going.  The amount of spores and bacteria in each square foot of your house number in the millions.  Unless you have an industrial UV light emitter, you will never have a sterile room.  Even industrial HEPA filters only filter 99.9% of micron substances. 

Mods, please lock this hunk of shit thread before more new growers are confused


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19073300 - 11/02/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you serious? You're the hunk of shit here. All I wanted to know was if a fruiting mushroom would produce any type of bacteria. You don't have to call me stupid and start a dick sizing contest with anyone. I'll explain the reasoning behind my question when I wake up tomorrow.

Next time someone asks a question just answer it without being a dick.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: jolo]
    #19073490 - 11/02/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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maybe the fungus spits and from they're saliva bacteria are born. maybe it's a new domain, not archaea, bateria or some kind of protist, but a super fungus-unicellular-way-cooler-than-yeast-creature

This is so retarded, I can't make heads or tails of it. 

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you can't make heads or tails of it, because it's a joke dude. lighten up. don't be so fucking serious about it.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Nakor420]
    #19073562 - 11/02/13 03:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I'm not the one who claimed humans PRODUCE bacteria...go back and read...that was someone else.




Errrr actually by suggesting I had "epically failed" when I stated that I have never PRODUCED bacteria you were inherently saying that yes, you believe humans PRODUCE bacteria :shrug:

Thanks for asking me to "go back and read" though. I didn't realise just how stupid you were so when I first read your initial comment in this thread it did not even register that you said that bacteria are "animals"

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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Skinty]
    #19073752 - 11/02/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I'm not the one who claimed humans PRODUCE bacteria...go back and read...that was someone else.




Errrr actually by suggesting I had "epically failed" when I stated that I have never PRODUCED bacteria you were inherently saying that yes, you believe humans PRODUCE bacteria :shrug:

Thanks for asking me to "go back and read" though. I didn't realise just how stupid you were so when I first read your initial comment in this thread it did not even register that you said that bacteria are "animals"

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WOW you're a fucking moron,lol. First of all.. I thought YOU were saying humans produce bacteria so I godzilla facepalmed you...2nd of all I have a grant and will be receiving my degree in mycology....so call me stupid all you want... I will be working with Stamets while you sit here twiddling your noodle on the shroomery.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Nakor420] * 1
    #19073884 - 11/02/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it seems like very logical for him to call you stupid when you give him a godzillah facepalm because you didn't read  properly, AND think bacteria are animals..... just say you are sorry for the facepalm and shake hands dude


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Nakor420]
    #19073886 - 11/02/13 07:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I'm not the one who claimed humans PRODUCE bacteria...go back and read...that was someone else.




Errrr actually by suggesting I had "epically failed" when I stated that I have never PRODUCED bacteria you were inherently saying that yes, you believe humans PRODUCE bacteria :shrug:

Thanks for asking me to "go back and read" though. I didn't realise just how stupid you were so when I first read your initial comment in this thread it did not even register that you said that bacteria are "animals"

:urstupid:




WOW you're a fucking moron,lol. First of all.. I thought YOU were saying humans produce bacteria so I godzilla facepalmed you...2nd of all I have a grant and will be receiving my degree in mycology....so call me stupid all you want... I will be working with Stamets while you sit here twiddling your noodle on the shroomery.




Well done and good luck with your degree. My 2 masters generally mean I have more to do than just twiddle my noodle on shroomery.

How about we kiss and make up. Bickering isn't normally my style and I apologise for getting ants in my pants at your misconstrued comments :cheers:


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: forrest]
    #19073914 - 11/02/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is so retarded, I can't make heads or tails of it.




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Mods, please lock this hunk of shit thread before more new growers are confused




I have become 20% more stupid just reading this thread.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: barong]
    #19073928 - 11/02/13 07:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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This is so retarded, I can't make heads or tails of it.




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Mods, please lock this hunk of shit thread before more new growers are confused




I have become 20% more stupid just reading this thread.




That's nothing buddy I got 20% more stupid reading it and then a further 42% contributing to it :facepalm:


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: barong]
    #19074425 - 11/02/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I have become 20% more stupid just reading this thread.



:lol:

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Even in a properly pressure cooked, unopened BRF or grain jar, there will be stunned/incapacitated contaminants as total sterilization would take a day or longer.  Sterilization = No existance of life or possibility of life (i.e. Mold spores)



I just learned about sterilization in my microbiology class, and we were told that autoclaving or subjecting something to 15psi of steam pressure at 121C for 15-20 minutes was one of the methods. I used to autoclave stuff all the time in the lab I worked at. Why do you say that you would need a whole day?


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: Nakor420]
    #19074485 - 11/02/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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WOW you're a fucking moron,lol. First of all.. I thought YOU were saying humans produce bacteria so I godzilla facepalmed you...2nd of all I have a grant and will be receiving my degree in mycology....so call me stupid all you want... I will be working with Stamets while you sit here twiddling your noodle on the shroomery.




A mycologist who thinks bacteria are in the kingdom animalia....?  :confused: good luck with that basic biology...


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: urthtown]
    #19074862 - 11/02/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hm okay, this is why I asked the question..

I had a grain jar fully colonized for a while, just never did anything with it, it eventually grew a fruit in vitro. I was wondering if I could G2G this jar. I didn't know if the mushroom that grew in there would create some kind of contamination. I should have used the word contamination instead of bacteria since some people here like to nit-pick everything.

I still don't feel like I have gotten a good answer, since this thread turned into a dick sizing contest.

Most of you in here are being really rude. So what if someone doesn't know that bacteria isn't in the "kingdom animalia"? Does it really matter? Does it help you sleep at night, knowing that you insult people's intelligence online?


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: jolo]
    #19075185 - 11/02/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you serious? You're the hunk of shit here. All I wanted to know was if a fruiting mushroom would produce any type of bacteria. You don't have to call me stupid and start a dick sizing contest with anyone. I'll explain the reasoning behind my question when I wake up tomorrow.

Next time someone asks a question just answer it without being a dick.



No, YOU are the dumbass for asking a question without doing any research first, then expecting people to take their time to make up for your inability to google.  The answer to your question could have come in a couple seconds with a simple search of "where to bacteria come from?"

These are not advanced concepts, this is elementary concepts of life and decay, taught in most 5th grade science classes, which is fundamental if you intend to pursue this hobby long-term. 

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I had a grain jar fully colonized for a while, just never did anything with it, it eventually grew a fruit in vitro. I was wondering if I could G2G this jar. I didn't know if the mushroom that grew in there would create some kind of contamination. I should have used the word contamination instead of bacteria since some people here like to nit-pick everything.


This is how you should have phrased your question having nothing to do with "nit picking".  Mushrooms are essentially the fruit of the fungus.  If you pick a fruit from a tree, it will begin to eventually decay, where as mycelium can be referred to the tree itself.  A mushroom transferred into another jar, removed from the nourishment of the mycelium, will begin to decay.  It is not PRODUCING any contaminants, as I said above, contaminants are everywhere, including in your jars and grow area, and reproduce themselves. (Fundamental reproductive science)  The idea of amateur mycology is to maximize the chances of your desired fungi gaining control before a contaminant fungi or bacteria can gain a foothold.

In short, a loose mushroom will become a vector for decay and contaminants.  BUT IT WONT PRODUCE ANY, THEY ARE ALREADY THERE AND ARE REPRODUCING THEMSELVES (bacteria) or TRYING TO GAIN A FOOTHOLD TO DO SO (Contaminant fungi, i.e. Trich).

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I still don't feel like I have gotten a good answer, since this thread turned into a dick sizing contest.
Most of you in here are being really rude. So what if someone doesn't know that bacteria isn't in the "kingdom animalia"? Does it really matter? Does it help you sleep at night, knowing that you insult people's intelligence online?




Your question was answered, you just poorly worded your question in terms of what you were trying to find out.  If you were trying to find out if a loose shroom would create an environment condusive to contams, then you shouldn't have used the word produced produce. My armpits are condusive to the bacteria but they are not PRODUCING them.  Saying the environment produces the form of life is like saying your SGFC produces your shrooms and not the mycelium. 

The kingdom bacteria are in have nothing to do with if mushrooms would produce them as the children of any form of life will take on the species and genetic characteristics of the parent.  Cubensis shrooms will never produce Oyster spores and E. Coli bacteria will never produce streptococcus bacteria.  Even if they are in the same kingdom, they will only continue to reproduce their own species.

The people responding to your post have an understanding of science terminology that you don't, obviously, and replied using their understanding based on your wording.  Dont get pissy at them for answering your exact question.  You can either A)Chaulk it up as a learning experience and do some research to understand this field or B)Continue to whine about how mean everyone is and learn nothing.  Either way I don't care.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19075258 - 11/02/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This whole thing would have been easier if you just simply enlightened me with your education instead of trying to make me feel stupid.

I guess it's a win-win though, you got to feel a little better about yourself, and I got my question answered.


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19075260 - 11/02/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Agreed skinty.... :highfive:


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19075287 - 11/02/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Wow....that's harsh...lol


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Re: Do mushrooms produce bacteria? [Re: jolo]
    #19075673 - 11/02/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I still don't feel like I have gotten a good answer, since this thread turned into a dick sizing contest.




You're kidding, right? It's been answered in multiple ways, despite being an incredibly stupid question.


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