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Question on yields
    #19071077 - 11/01/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

On average with a 10lb log of Wheat straw growing Oyster mushrooms what sort of yield conservatively should I be looking at? I need to check but I think I'm only getting around a pound......is that even close to right? I read it should and could be 150 - 175%. Now these are only my first flushes so not sure what the next will bring. Also should I dunk my logs after 1st flush? As always thanks so very much for your continued help and input it is helping!!!!!!


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Mangomankw]
    #19072166 - 11/01/13 08:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That must be 10 lbs hydrated

by my figures, straw logs are usually 70% water which leaves 3 lbs of straw so 100% BE would be 3 lbs of oysters.

I have experienced small first flushes followed by a bigger second flush from time to time, usually if my growing environment was acting up.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: deadmandave]
    #19072212 - 11/01/13 09:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry.  My 70lb logs do about 5lbs or so per flush.  They are pushing their 3rd flushes out now.  Pinks yield less but go on for 4-5 flushes.  Haven't dunked yet.  Looking forward to using spent straw for secondary decomposers like agaricus and blewits.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: drake89]
    #19072521 - 11/01/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I get about 5 logs per bale. And each log is around 10lbs hydrated. I think read some place a bale is about 50 to 60 pounds dry. so at 100% I should get 50lbs per bale? Is my thoughts and math right on this? I'm just trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong to be getting such low yields. Thanks for the input


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Mangomankw]
    #19074005 - 11/02/13 08:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

%50 BE or more is what I consider economically viable; at least with sawdust blocks. But i haven't grown on straw in years, so it may be different. My blocks usually weigh 2.5-3lbs dry and I usually get 1.25-1.5lb / block over 2-3 flushes.  Sometime I can get kings to give me 2+lbs per block when I go for 3-4 flushes with them. Surprisingly I have been able to yield more with kings than with regular oyster; at least on oak sawdust.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Aleon]
    #19074216 - 11/02/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How many flushes did you let oyster buckets grow out Aleon when you did them?  I have been considering them 2 and done but when i empty them the substrate is still wall to wall inside.  I'm scared to risk trich though!  I am like this with all my mushrooms, shiitake, kings and oysters.  I let them go 2 and pitch them.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19074251 - 11/02/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If space is a major limiting factor then yes; 1 or 2 flushes and out.  If you have plenty of space go for 4-5 flushes.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Aleon]
    #19074304 - 11/02/13 09:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I can't wait til space is a problem! But dam I wish I had known that.  Woudl you say the same on shiitake blocks?  I'm actually contemplating switching to supplemented sawdust blocks after i realized a 40lb bag of pellets only does 4 and a half buckets!


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Aleon]
    #19074422 - 11/02/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If space is a major limiting factor then yes; 1 or 2 flushes and out.  If you have plenty of space go for 4-5 flushes.



Can you tell me how you do your buckets? I have a bunch and am going to use them in this way but not sure just how.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Mangomankw]
    #19074455 - 11/02/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I get about 5 logs per bale. And each log is around 10lbs hydrated. I think read some place a bale is about 50 to 60 pounds dry. so at 100% I should get 50lbs per bale? Is my thoughts and math right on this? I'm just trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong to be getting such low yields. Thanks for the input




well whip out your scale!  depending on how they were baled, they could be that heavy, but mine are around 35lbs.  and yes- 50% is more typical.  so figuring 18lbs dry weight per log, and 3 5lb flushes, I'm close to 100% BE.  and you may be too if you let them go for a couple more.  I don't know why you were expecting such high yields off first flush...


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Mangomankw]
    #19074494 - 11/02/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I highly suggest switching to sawdust of possible.  Higher yields/cubic foot (due to it being much more dense than straw), and you can grow any wood-lover you want; not just oysters. IME i believe the quality, shelf-life, and flavor are superior with sawdust grown.  Also any grain farmer who is earth-minded tills their straw back into the fields.  I would never take straw off my wheat fields; if you have ever read Masanobu Fukuoka's "One Straw Revolution" he was able to attain some of the highest yields using no chemicals and he believed it was mainly because he let the straw decompose back into the soil. His only source of fertilizer was his chickens and ducks manure. This is what made his farm a place of agricultural study; high yields using no machinery or outside fertilizer.

For shiitake, i go for as long as you can until trichoderma sets in; 3 flushes at most for me. Tirchoderma on shiitake blocks is so common and hard to prevent; especially if you are growing other varieties in the same FC. Try adding a small amount of bleach to the soak tank water; it seams to help a little.

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I get about 5 logs per bale. And each log is around 10lbs hydrated. I think read some place a bale is about 50 to 60 pounds dry. so at 100% I should get 50lbs per bale? Is my thoughts and math right on this? I'm just trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong to be getting such low yields. Thanks for the input




well whip out your scale!  depending on how they were baled, they could be that heavy, but mine are around 35lbs.  and yes- 50% is more typical.  so figuring 18lbs dry weight per log, and 3 5lb flushes, I'm close to 100% BE.  and you may be too if you let them go for a couple more.  I don't know why you were expecting such high yields off first flush...



Nice yields man!

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If space is a major limiting factor then yes; 1 or 2 flushes and out.  If you have plenty of space go for 4-5 flushes.



Can you tell me how you do your buckets? I have a bunch and am going to use them in this way but not sure just how.




I hate growing with buckets and i havent done so for years; i have 100's of buckets with holes in them (some still with sub in it, lol) behind a bunch of pines trees on the back of my property.  Make columns; the largest you can lift safely, or grow on sawdust.  Buckets are only good IMO for the small home cultivator just looking to grow some for him/herself.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Aleon]
    #19074553 - 11/02/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

When you add bleach approximately how much do you use?  Would peroxide also suffice for this?  As for buckets to me it seems surpreme for space with any grow plus you can rotate them.  But you have teh experience.  Thats why i'm slowly considering going to supplemented blocks for my oysters.  If I do a 43qt is next on the shopping list :smile: yeehaw!


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Re: Question on yields [Re: drake89]
    #19074572 - 11/02/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I get about 5 logs per bale. And each log is around 10lbs hydrated. I think read some place a bale is about 50 to 60 pounds dry. so at 100% I should get 50lbs per bale? Is my thoughts and math right on this? I'm just trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong to be getting such low yields. Thanks for the input




well whip out your scale!  depending on how they were baled, they could be that heavy, but mine are around 35lbs.  and yes- 50% is more typical.  so figuring 18lbs dry weight per log, and 3 5lb flushes, I'm close to 100% BE.  and you may be too if you let them go for a couple more.  I don't know why you were expecting such high yields off first flush...



Because I'm new and I,think I was figuring hydrated straw not dry.....lol thanks


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Re: Question on yields [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19075835 - 11/02/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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When you add bleach approximately how much do you use?  Would peroxide also suffice for this?  As for buckets to me it seems surpreme for space with any grow plus you can rotate them.  But you have teh experience.  Thats why i'm slowly considering going to supplemented blocks for my oysters.  If I do a 43qt is next on the shopping list :smile: yeehaw!




that's the beauty of the straw log.  even though I hate being covered in straw, it's less energy intensive with lime bath.  You don't need an autoclave you can drive a car into, to do thousands of pounds of sub with straw.  That's why we do 50/50 straw log and sawdust bag production.


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Re: Question on yields [Re: drake89]
    #19076079 - 11/02/13 05:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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When you add bleach approximately how much do you use?  Would peroxide also suffice for this?  As for buckets to me it seems surpreme for space with any grow plus you can rotate them.  But you have teh experience.  Thats why i'm slowly considering going to supplemented blocks for my oysters.  If I do a 43qt is next on the shopping list :smile: yeehaw!




that's the beauty of the straw log.  even though I hate being covered in straw, it's less energy intensive with lime bath.  You don't need an autoclave you can drive a car into, to do thousands of pounds of sub with straw.  That's why we do 50/50 straw log and sawdust bag production.



I bought some really sturdy trash cans and put a through hull in one to drain it and drilled small holes all over the other ones bottom. Then I fill the first with my bath and put the straw in the one with holes and drop it in the one with no holes. Acts like a big ass colander. I just drain the water bath and pull out the one with straw and let it drain a bit and proceed as the tek says trying for no drips. I do find you have to watch the moisture content closer this way. If anybody sees a way to make my idea better by all means please say so


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Re: Question on yields [Re: Mangomankw]
    #19076928 - 11/02/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had been using lime bath on straw but it would be a mess to shred straw inside :/  I do love the lime bath and straw though as you can do bulk and straw EASY But you lime bath sawdust along with your straw?


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Re: Question on yields [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19077543 - 11/02/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

lol no we use 20% bran, don't think that would work
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I had been using lime bath on straw but it would be a mess to shred straw inside :/  I do love the lime bath and straw though as you can do bulk and straw EASY But you lime bath sawdust along with your straw?




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Re: Question on yields [Re: drake89]
    #19079494 - 11/03/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol I had to go back and reread the thread.  I was picturing each bag having half straw and half sawdust in the same bag!  Anyways if you do half and half you must still see an advantage to the supplemented blocks or are the supplemented blocks only used for non oyster species?


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Re: Question on yields [Re: CAP_TURTLE]
    #19080530 - 11/03/13 02:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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the supplemented blocks only used for non oyster species?




basically this.  and for oyster spawn.  gonna try and fruit some shiitake soon :dancer:


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Re: Question on yields [Re: drake89]
    #19080855 - 11/03/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Looking forward to seeing you succeed!


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