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TriggA
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Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan!
#19073595 - 11/02/13 04:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Habitat: Pasture, found on cow poo.
Gills: Dark Grey, black
Stem: Very thin, .5"-3" in length
Cap: White/grey, ash. various sizes
Spore print color:

Bruising: Black, and dark blue
Other information:



My initial observation led me to believe that this is either Panaeolus cinctulus or Panaeolus cyanescens. Please let me hear your opinions. More pictures as they are uploaded.
Thanks!
Edited by TriggA (11/02/13 07:03 AM)
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19073600 - 11/02/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolus cinctulus rarely blue more than a very little.
Panaeolus cyanescens seems quite reasonable. They are surely one of the psilocybian Pan. species in any event, and look like a potent one.
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TriggA
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: canid]
#19073734 - 11/02/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the response! I'm glad to hear that you're confident they are all edible psilocybian pan. Species! More pictures to come soon!
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TriggA
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19073802 - 11/02/13 06:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's one that I'm questioning. It became a totally different color than all the others. Take a look...

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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19073821 - 11/02/13 07:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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nice pans.
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Byrain

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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19074249 - 11/02/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Panaeolus subgenus Copelandia, you may need microscopy to know exactly which one. The one you are questioning looks like a different Panaeolus, not sure which one.
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Byrain]
#19076831 - 11/02/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Byrain said: Panaeolus subgenus Copelandia, you may need microscopy to know exactly which one. The one you are questioning looks like a different Panaeolus, not sure which one.
Regardless, are all of those species edible?
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19076849 - 11/02/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are no poisonous Panaeolus species, possibly hard to digest though.
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TriggA
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19077000 - 11/02/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's some more pictures of the one's I was questioning.

Also found a totally different species. I don't plan on consuming it because I found plenty of pans. Thought I might share some pictures though in case anyone knows about it...

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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19077027 - 11/02/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Panaeolus could be papilionaceus var. parvisporus or maybe something like P. goossensiae. I'm not sure what others species you could consider, maybe P. paludosus? The ones with the really white stems might be something else though, maybe Psathyrella, I can't quite tell from that picture. The others are an Agaricus species.
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Byrain]
#19077058 - 11/02/13 08:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Byrain said: There are no poisonous Panaeolus species, possibly hard to digest though.
Great to hear, thank you. Here are the rest of the pictures from my hunt. Also ended up finding some Psilocybin species this morning...




And all the pans we found...


Also, I think we were just a bit too late to some spots. Found so many areas, and pieces of cow dung that looked like this...
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19077066 - 11/02/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. Psilocybe cubensis 2. More Panaeolus subgenus Copelandia 3. Coprinopsis
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TriggA
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19079081 - 11/03/13 07:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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In total we had just under 100 grams of mushrooms. Split them up between 4 people and had a very comfortable level 3 trip. Thanks for all who posted
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: TriggA]
#19079120 - 11/03/13 07:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wild Psilocybe cubensis in Okinawa? I didn't know that was possible! Could they be Psilocybe capitulata? Cool!
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Bobzimmer]
#19079358 - 11/03/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess they could be P. capitulata, I haven't heard of it before, anyone want to say how exactly its different from P. cubensis?
http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~har-takah/page112.html
Though, he's finding other stuff you'd expect bloodworm to find and its not that cold there...
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Byrain]
#19079474 - 11/03/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cubes in japan??!
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19079590 - 11/03/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Really neat pictures. Love cube looking ones!
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: loco801]
#19079716 - 11/03/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice finds. I can already see spore vendors rubbing their hands, there have been no Japanese P. cubensis or Panaeolus species in circulation yet. You should take spore prints from as much specimens as you can.
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Tangich]
#19081498 - 11/03/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you ever thought the first shrooms were Anellaria antillarum? ツヤマグソタケ
Edited by AEL1911 (11/08/13 09:06 PM)
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Byrain

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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: AEL1911]
#19081649 - 11/03/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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They are not Panaeolus antillarum cause they are bruising blue.
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: rev0kadavur]
#19081889 - 11/03/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rev0kadavur said: Cubes in japan??!
My thoughts exactly!
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It's an island pretty far south of the Japanese mainland, about equal in latitude as the Florida Keys. Seems pretty plausible that they are cubes.
Edited by o8u (11/03/13 06:36 PM)
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: o8u]
#19081999 - 11/03/13 06:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Why would there not be cubensis in southern Japan?
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: suchen]
#19082114 - 11/03/13 07:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm still wondering how and if Psilocybe capitulata is different? Is that one of the species that was synonymized recently? Where is Alan, Inski, and Joust?
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Byrain]
#19082306 - 11/03/13 08:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Byrain said: I'm still wondering how and if Psilocybe capitulata is different? Is that one of the species that was synonymized recently? Where is Alan, Inski, and Joust?
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Japanese publication said: Because of its typically furfuraceous-squamulose pileus in age, the capitulate pilocystidia, and the infrequent, less-developed pleurocystidia, P. capitulata can be distinguished from the other previously known taxa of the section Cubensae such as pantropical P. cubensis (Earle) Singer (Earle 1906; Guzman 1978, 1983; Pegler 1983;Stamets 1996; Thomas et al. 2002; Cortez and Coelho 2004) and P. subcubensis Guzman from Mexico (Guzman 1978, 1983).
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Byrain

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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: suchen]
#19082342 - 11/03/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lots changed since then, P. subcubensis is supposed to be the same as P. cubensis. And if its different, that doesn't tell us which species this is, location might point to P. capitulata.
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Re: Mushrooms found in Miyakojima Japan! [Re: Byrain] 1
#19084505 - 11/04/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Psilocybe capitula was described as new due to the pileocystidia, however the same pileocystidia was found in the cubensis type collection.
Guys, please check the type collections of closely related species before publishing new names.
I removed P. capitula from the list of which mushrooms grow in my area a few months ago.
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I'm in Kyoto right now and extremely jealous. Congratulations on the nice find.
Do you think one would be able to find some of these in Okinawa in December or January? Might be going there for a short holiday.
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